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#2962205 - 12/10/18 02:11 PM Good Active Studio Reference Monitors?
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Asking for recommendations.

My Alesis M1 Active Mk1s finally died after 20 wonderful years of use. Currently shopping for a replacement.

The Yamaha HS7s look very attractive to me. But I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on those or has a better recommendation.

Tried searching the forum first. Let me know if I missed a thread on this.
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#2962208 - 12/10/18 02:15 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Good question!

Budget?

Preferred woofer size?

My monitors have a 6.5" woofer and they're fine for my small room. Anything bigger may be too much.

I have a sub, but prefer to run the monitors without it.
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#2962211 - 12/10/18 02:22 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: ITGITC?]
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If your room is on the smaller size (ie. the typical 15x20 bedroom) you don’t need long throw large (8” or more” woofer size). 6.5” or smaller is best. And I can’t stress how important it is to use a product like Auralex’s MoPad if you are going to sit them straight on a desk.
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#2962212 - 12/10/18 02:23 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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You have definitely missed some older threads, but you also didn't tell us your room size, which is the most important ingredient in making a decision, along with your desk setup.

For instance, in my tiny tiny room, there is no point in going larger than 5" (6" max), as I can't form the proper listening triangle and working distance with an 8" monitor.

Do you have a huge desk with console in front? If so, then you may be able to create the proper working distance, which is even more important than the room size itself.

Bigger is not necessarily better. Speakers are designed to fit specific setups. And these days, even 4" monitors can be every accurate, from several manufacturers. More likely a sub is needed in such cases.

Several of us here have the best bargain in small-form near-fields of the past five years or so, which are the Neumann KH120's (I'm doing this from memory; I don't pay a lot of attention to model numbers for stuff like that, once I own it). Often found for $1200 or less (per pair), they compete with high-end models that go for $2000 and above. These have 5" drivers.

On smaller budgets, the "norm" is $400/pair before applying special sales and markdowns. Quite a few companies put out competitive models in that price bracket. JBL LSR's are more neutral than many of the others, and though not in the same league as Klein & Hummel (now marketed by Sennheiser as Neumann KH-series), they will generally be more truthful for keyboard and orchestral instruments than some of the other choices (like KRK Rokits -- though I don't know if the latest rev changes that equation). Blue makes some nice small-speaker budget models also.

I tried out the newest Yamaha series when I chose the Neumanns, and found them similar to the surprisingly good higher-end M-Audio offerings (possibly no longer available; the company's products were parceled off to several other companies). Those models get a bit closer to the Dynaudio sound (a corporate relation to Tannoy and TC Electronic). A bit less "rounded" overall than the Neumann design; perhaps more "clinical". I think they might have DSP as well; a trend that now covers almost all manufacturers at every price tier.
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#2962216 - 12/10/18 02:38 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: ITGITC?]
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Originally Posted By: ITGITC?
Good question!

Budget?

Preferred woofer size?

My monitors have a 6.5" woofer and they're fine for my small room. Anything bigger may be too much.

I have a sub, but prefer to run the monitors without it.




Yeah, a 6.5" woofer is fine. I'm a big fan of Yamaha NS-10s and my M1 Actives were great.

Budget-wise: is looks like I'm gonna probably drop at least $600. So anything in that range.

Yes, I'm looking for a pair of very honest monitors. Hope that clarifies.
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#2962219 - 12/10/18 02:51 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Hah, that's funny -- my post took so long to write, that two others posted similar comments in the meantime. I did not intend to be redundant. :-)

At $600, the Neumanns are out of the question, except they have a new 4"(?) model that I didn't bother looking at as I already had my 5 to 5-1/2" monitors by then. Maybe those hit that price point.

Don't be afraid to go smaller than 6.5" -- it might be an improvement, as it was for me, given room dimensions and working distance. You can't beat the law of physics, so there will be less bass response, but what matters more is linearity and how smoothly and consistently the response falls off below 120 Hz and especially below 80 Hz. Most modern speakers are highly accurate and linear.

My recollection is that the Yamahas are a bit beyond that range, unless on special sale, but as it looks like you don't have the room setup or size for handling 8" monitors, smaller is cheaper so that does help your budget as well.

The third Moonlife album was mixed by the bandleader on Alesis M1's. It came out very well, considering those aren't the most neutral monitors, but Claudio knew how to compensate. I almost bought a pair myself at that point, but that was when Alesis was in trouble so I passed.

The Yamaha HS series would put you in similar sonic territory, but be a few steps up. There was fairly rapid improvement in active monitor quality from 2002 to 2015 or so. Not sure if that has continued, as everyone's caught up in converting to digital.
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#2962220 - 12/10/18 02:53 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I didn't want to blow the budget by suggesting the pads at the outset, but yes they are quite critical. I had the MoPads but replaced them with that specialty company's erector-set-like risers.

I forget the company name; someone else might remember. They're quite affordable; only a bit more than MoPads, and do a much better job on desks and table tops, but not necessarily when placed on speaker stands (which I used with the MoPads, then sold).
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#2962227 - 12/10/18 03:33 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I didn't want to blow the budget by suggesting the pads at the outset, but yes they are quite critical.

Decoupling is mandatory. cop

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I had the MoPads but replaced them with that specialty company's erector-set-like risers.

I forget the company name; someone else might remember. They're quite affordable; only a bit more than MoPads, and do a much better job on desks and table tops, but not necessarily when placed on speaker stands (which I used with the MoPads, then sold).

Sounds like IsoAcoustics to me - their Aperta model, possibly? Recoil Stabilizers are also a good choice - essentially better version of MoPads.

Studio monitors are one of my passions. Under $1k, I would recommend JBL LSR305 - they're about the same size as the Monitor One Mk II, IIRC. They perform way better than they should.

DISCLAIMER - I almost always prefer smaller woofers to larger ones. More balance (better mids) and less "boom"....depending on size of the room and distance from the monitors, of course....and even then, if there's a big woofer I typically want a midrange driver as well.

YMMV.

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#2962230 - 12/10/18 03:56 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I didn't want to blow the budget by suggesting the pads at the outset, but yes they are quite critical.

Decoupling is mandatory. cop

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I had the MoPads but replaced them with that specialty company's erector-set-like risers.

I forget the company name; someone else might remember. They're quite affordable; only a bit more than MoPads, and do a much better job on desks and table tops, but not necessarily when placed on speaker stands (which I used with the MoPads, then sold).

Sounds like IsoAcoustics to me - their Aperta model, possibly? Recoil Stabilizers are also a good choice - essentially better version of MoPads.

Studio monitors are one of my passions. Under $1k, I would recommend JBL LSR305 - they're about the same size as the Monitor One Mk II, IIRC. They perform way better than they should.

DISCLAIMER - I almost always prefer smaller woofers to larger ones. More balance (better mids) and less "boom"....depending on size of the room and distance from the monitors, of course....and even then, if there's a big woofer I typically want a midrange driver as well.

YMMV.

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Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check the JBLs out.
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#2962232 - 12/10/18 03:59 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Originally Posted By: Dreamchilde
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check the JBLs out.

thu

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#2962276 - 12/10/18 08:32 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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You should look at the Equator coaxial speakers. They are in the price range and will image fantastically.

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#2962278 - 12/10/18 08:41 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Nathanael_I]
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Nathanael,

I'm also a fan of Equator (have a pair right here by my desk), but I think they've gone out of business.
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#2962280 - 12/10/18 08:58 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: timwat]
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I bought a used pair of JBL LSR305's based on advice from this forum and have been very happy with them. I think I only paid so,etching like $200 for the pair. Great bang for the buck!
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#2962282 - 12/10/18 10:33 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: J. Dan]
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Yep, I recommended the JBL LSR's earlier for the $400 price point (when new and not on discount), but don't feel they get better as fast as their prices go up as one moves into their mid-range and high-end lines, so didn't recommend JBL's the second time around for the stated $600-$700 budget. :-)

My isolation speaker stands are IsoAcoustics ISO-L8R155, and I got the pair for $93.50 from Front End Audio. Zen Pro Audio also sells them, I think.

Along the lines of what Dave said, when my company came out with a new studio monitor last year (first one in over 20 years, as the legacy model was still well-loved, and was used on so many Grammy records at the mixing and mastering end, by the likes of Roger Nichols for Steely Dan and the like), we went with a smaller driver size than before.
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#2962295 - 12/11/18 03:19 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: timwat
Nathanael,

I'm also a fan of Equator (have a pair right here by my desk), but I think they've gone out of business.


You're right Tim, I had no idea - too bad. I like my D5s as well for the purpose they serve.

Curious if anyone has experience with the LSR305 newer version vs original?

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#2962314 - 12/11/18 07:20 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Along the lines of what Dave said, when my company came out with a new studio monitor last year (first one in over 20 years, as the legacy model was still well-loved, and was used on so many Grammy records at the mixing and mastering end, by the likes of Roger Nichols for Steely Dan and the like), we went with a smaller driver size than before.

I hadn't heard there was a new Meyer studio monitor!

The word around the industry was that Meyer abandoned that market because they believed their time and energy was better spent in the live sector. Interesting to hear they've rethought that decision.

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#2962357 - 12/11/18 11:49 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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@dreamchilde: since you live nearby, you should come check out my HEDD Type 05 monitors, I also have the Equator D5’s.

I posted a review on my blog, if you’re interested.
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#2962360 - 12/11/18 12:13 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: zephonic]
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Hi Dave, it was a speaker originally designed for post-production of video, in a theatre context (before release, most movies are test-driven in a high-quality theatre, then again in a low-quality one).

It's called the Amie, which is French for "friend". It took about a year of debate before a firm decision was made to also market it as a studio monitor. There was controversy because the inevitable comparison to the HD-1 would result, and it's really a different sort of loudspeaker.

We've all been so busy here this past year, ramping up more new models than in many years, that most of us haven't had time to catch our breath and really take stock of where we fit in the world, so to speak. That is, I think the Amie won a TEC award at NAMM last year, but I could be wrong. :-)
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#2962361 - 12/11/18 12:15 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Equators are interesting and not for everyone, but get a lot of respect amongst pro audio people. But I think that like others here, I also heard they're now gone? Or maybe someone bought them and is keeping or revising one of their models?
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#2962368 - 12/11/18 12:35 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: zephonic]
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@dreamchilde: since you live nearby, you should come check out my HEDD Type 05 monitors, I also have the Equator D5’s.

I posted a review on my blog, if you’re interested.


Thanks, man. I may take you up on that!
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#2962385 - 12/11/18 02:32 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Equators are interesting and not for everyone, but get a lot of respect amongst pro audio people. But I think that like others here, I also heard they're now gone? Or maybe someone bought them and is keeping or revising one of their models?


The D5's are nice if you come from NS10-type monitors, you know, very pronounced midrange. I think of them as a good, useful set of secondary monitors; they won't give you the whole picture, though.

AFAIK, Equator Audio never formally closed its doors, but I think it is safe to say they are out of business. Too bad.

But it's a good time to buy powered studio monitors. In the $600 price range, also check out Presonus and Focal.
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#2962398 - 12/11/18 03:25 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: zephonic]
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Oh I forgot that Focal now has some entry-level models, and PreSonus suddenly got interesting after years of being not-so-good. I think their new models were announced at AES this fall and already available for sale, with some good initial reviews. They've definitely stepped up their build quality in recent years.

I recently bought Focal's first headphones and they're quite good. I think they are supposed to match the experience of using some of their active monitors, just as ADAM has done with their new UltraSone collaboration project.
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#2962400 - 12/11/18 03:44 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: zephonic]
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The D5's are nice if you come from NS10-type monitors, you know, very pronounced midrange.

They're actually pretty different.

NS10s are a sealed box conventional configuration two-way that uses a 7" paper woofer with a foam surround ring to modify its dispersion, a soft-dome tweeter and an analog passive crossover. IIRC, there are six versions of them in the field - NS10M and NS10M Studio are the most popular. Also, a decent amount of their sound has to do with what amp you power them with.

D5s are DSP-controlled coaxial dual-concentric (tweeter in the middle of the woofer) ported two-ways with 5.25" polypropylene woofers, silk-domed tweeters and a fairly steep active digital crossover. They have their own dual 50w amps. My friend Ted Keffalo (ex-Alesis) started that company.

With the D5 - as with any coaxial design - you won't be able to hear the crossover and the phase has to be as close to perfect as possible, so the midrange will be very clear and open and there will be a "phantom center" almost like there's a middle speaker. The D5 uses a small woofer though, so the midrange will tend to be a bit more forward than with something like its bigger brother the D8, or the larger Equator Q series.

With the NS10, the quality of the pushed (some say brash) mids comes largely from the paper woofer it uses and the fact that the sealed box doesn't produce as much bass as a ported design, so the mids are emphasized.

FWIW, Avantone has just released a new version of NS10s called CLA10 which I understand are pretty close to the original. Depending on what amp you use, of course...
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#2962401 - 12/11/18 03:48 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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FWIW, Avantone has just released a new version of NS10s called CLA10 which I understand a re pretty close to the original. Depending on what amp you use, of course.


Avantone has made accurate replacement drivers for the NS10 for a minute now, right?
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#2962402 - 12/11/18 03:51 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: timwat
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FWIW, Avantone has just released a new version of NS10s called CLA10 which I understand are pretty close to the original. Depending on what amp you use, of course.


Avantone has made accurate replacement drivers for the NS10 for a minute now, right?

I believe that's correct.

The woofers are molded pulp though - not curled and joined like the original Yamahas. I'm inclined to doubt that makes much of a difference, sonically speaking. idk

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#2962412 - 12/11/18 05:23 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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The CLA stands for Chris Lord-Alge signature series.

Too bad they're not active.
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#2962418 - 12/11/18 06:15 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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The CLA stands for Chris Lord-Alge signature series.

I'm hip. He's the sound of hits. grin

For those of you who may bit have seen the CLA10 intro video, Chris actually does say that about himself.


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Too bad they're not active.

They would be a whole different product if that were the case.

Yamaha's HS7 is kind of intended to scratch that itch, I believe. I reviewed those a while back...

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#2962420 - 12/11/18 06:28 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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#2962428 - 12/11/18 08:18 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
My friend Ted Keffalo (ex-Alesis) started that company.


Do you know if Equator Audio has definitively gone out of business or are they trying to keep it going?
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#2962430 - 12/11/18 08:45 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: zephonic]
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Another vote here for the JBL LSR305s. I have a pair and love them, although I do lust for a pair of Adam A7Xs.
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#2962432 - 12/11/18 09:02 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: zephonic]
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Do you know if Equator Audio has definitively gone out of business or are they trying to keep it going?

Not a clue. Haven't seen or spoken with Ted for a while.

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#2962444 - 12/12/18 02:53 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Having read this http://ethanwiner.com/speaker_isolation.htm
I am not really sure about speaker decouplers/ isolation . I made my own of rubber intended to be put under washing machines and softer foam . Maybe I get some professional and do my own test . After I worked on room acoustics.
I went to a store last year to listen to the JBL LSR . The speakers I preferred were much more expensive but I also preferred the Fluid Audio FX8 which were not much more expensive at that time .I bought the fluid audio fx8

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#2962555 - 12/12/18 12:43 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Studio monitors are one of my passions. Under $1k, I would recommend JBL LSR305 - they're about the same size as the Monitor One Mk II, IIRC. They perform way better than they should.



Dave, do you think there would be a huge difference between the 306s and the 305s?
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#2962630 - 12/12/18 09:24 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Huge differences come from doubling your budget, sadly. Every change in speaker is audible. "you get what you pay for" is very true in monitor speakers. And, the law of diminishing returns is also omnipresent. The easiest comparisons are between very cheap and very expensive monitors. Very expensive monitors and the class right below them in a properly treated room? Audible, but subtle. If you take monitors in your budget and treat the room properly, you will get excellent results.

Honestly, the room treatment is far more important than the monitors. I spent on full room treatment before buying expensive monitors. Especially below 200Hz, you hear the room more than the speakers, regardless of whether you are near field or far field. It's physics.

If you don't have speakers, get some. Then treat the room. If you are unhappy with the sound, then buy better speakers.

I worked on Mackie HR824's for 10+ years. They were excellent for the money, and in a treated space, flat to 38Hz. My Genelec 8351a's are better in every way (and should be for the premium in price), but they don't measure any better in the same treated room (except they go lower to 27Hz). They do image far better, have a lower noise floor, lower distortion, more headroom, better tweeters, built in DSP for room correction, digital inputs, etc.

Things in any given price band will tend to be fairly close. There's no $500 speaker that performs like a $5000 one, sadly. But what is out there for $500-$700 per speaker today is just amazingly good compared to ten or fifteen years ago, and perfectly adequate for professional work if installed correctly and run within their limits.

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#2962635 - 12/12/18 09:44 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Dave, do you think there would be a huge difference between the 306s and the 305s?

Haven't heard them. I did check out the 305 and 308 at the same time though, and found that the sonic signture was pretty close - not really surprising.

That kind of decision would probably come down to your taste and how they sound your room.

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#2962638 - 12/12/18 09:57 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Some of these guys are fairly hardcore aficionados. I'm a guy who's mostly a live player but does some project stuff at home and has pretty good ears.

I'll put it this way, and the experts can correct me....well....because they're the experts and I'm not. I fully believe that the JBL LSR305's are the best you can get in that price range. I think to get a negligible increase in quality, at a bare minimum you have to double the price. So yes, in you $600 budget you can do better. Twice the price better? Up to you. To get really better, price increases exponentially way outside your budget.

So I'll defer to the true experts like Mark and DB. But think about if you really need what the standard is for these guys or if you can get good enough for half the price.
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#2962644 - 12/13/18 12:34 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: J. Dan]
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That's why I kind of butted out, because I don't feel there's much point in doing something incremental in the $600 price range vs. something like Neumanns, Dynaudio, etc. in the $1200 range. Otherwise, might as well stick with the excellent bang-for-buck choices in the $400 range (way less when on sale or used) and use the savings for other stuff. But some people are very specific about how much they want to spend. :-)

I no longer remember whether I had the 5" or 6" JBL LSR 300 series monitors, but probably the 6" as I bought them at the time I had a larger studio room than the one I use now (not terribly large; just less tiny).

I do recall a shared sonic signature, when listening at appropriately different distances from the different sized monitors (remember the triangle rule). Much closer than some other manufacturers, but the newer Yamaha line has similar characteristics in that regard.

I am glad to see this trend develop, because it will help train people that bigger isn't better, and that speaker size is dictated more by the room than by budget or incremental upgrade concepts.
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#2962649 - 12/13/18 01:14 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
That's why I kind of butted out, because I don't feel there's much point in doing something incremental in the $600 price range vs. something like Neumanns, Dynaudio, etc. in the $1200 range. Otherwise, might as well stick with the excellent bang-for-buck choices in the $400 range (way less when on sale or used) and use the savings for other stuff.

...........................

I am glad to see this trend develop, because it will help train people that bigger isn't better, and that speaker size is dictated more by the room than by budget or incremental upgrade concepts.


That's how it was for me. I used to work in an untreated room with a tile floors and wall-to-wall mirrors, there was no point in buying expensive speakers as the room was so reverberant that any increased accuracy was immediately lost in the acoustics.

Once we moved and I was able to control the acoustics in the new work space, the sound of my old KRK's no longer sufficed so I bought the HEDD's. I have quite a bit of treatment in here now, and in the sweet spot it really sounds pretty great already.

But I know I'm gonna want a bigger room and bigger speakers at some point...need more bass extension...

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#2962662 - 12/13/18 05:14 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: zephonic]
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Just bought the JBL LSR 305s to replace some old Samsons that died. Good for the money and work fine in my tiny home studio.

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#2962703 - 12/13/18 10:20 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: B3Squeeze]
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I am currently using a pair of HS8's and love them. I have a passive set of monitor 1 mk 2's over on the other organ for when I do something over there, and whenever I'm on them I miss the yamaha's. But to be honest the 8's are a little big, should have went with 7's if I had it to do over again
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#2962769 - 12/13/18 05:32 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: DenCV]
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This is all really great stuff, guys. Thanks for the insights. Hopefully I'll grab a new pair before Christmas.

Leaning more toward the JBL 306s now.
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#2962775 - 12/13/18 05:57 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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You won't regret it.

I only have extensive experience with the JBL's, KRK Rokits (I no longer recommend them; too coloured), Alesis, M-Audio (not sure if they got re-branded after the company shuffle with Alesis etc.), and Yamaha, when it comes to the $400 to $600 price range, but I consider the JBL's to be the most neutral of that set and the least sensitive to room modes in terms of how you position them, with Yamaha a close second.

The reason other brands aren't on that list is because they so severely failed the first few criteria on my list during various review sessions. But some newer brands have popped up over the last few years, and I don't yet have experience with them.

For those who want a second pair to compare mixes, or need even smaller speakers, the 4" Blues are great bang-for-buck. A few caveats are in order but they are no longer strong in my memory.


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#2962804 - 12/13/18 11:16 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I’ve been away from recording for decades. I have a Event 20/20 bas (1996 first version). Just got them out of the boxes they lived in for years. May return to a final fling of recording next year. I’m not gonna do a huge room treatment. Any opinions of them?
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#2962806 - 12/13/18 11:36 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Barryjam]
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I seem to be in the minority in not finding the Events neutral. I was convinced I SHOULD like them many years ago, as just about everyone I knew had switched to them at that point. But if you know their sonic signature, like it, and are comfortable working with it, then there's no need to change just because there are some new kids on the block -- especially if your room acoustics were a perfect match for those speakers.
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#2962899 - 12/14/18 10:37 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I seem to be in the minority in not finding the Events neutral. I was convinced I SHOULD like them many years ago, as just about everyone I knew had switched to them at that point. But if you know their sonic signature, like it, and are comfortable working with it, then there's no need to change just because there are some new kids on the block -- especially if your room acoustics were a perfect match for those speakers.

I agree with Mark.

To my ear, there is a high end bump on the 20/20 that made them difficult for me to work on them....but what he says about your room (and effectively your ear/taste) is spot on.

I believe that none of them are "right". Find me a pair of speakers that can reproduce what my grand piano does in my living room, then talk to me about "right"; until then, they're all subject to the laws of physics - not just their design/materials used making them, but also the space they're in, where/how they're placed, etc.

Also (as far as I can tell) there really no audio standard as to things like, say, what it means that there's "too much bass" (in what way? Volume? Frequency? Sure it's not that the part sucks/is too busy?)....so, at the end of the day, it really is about the speakers you think sound best if you spend more time listening, and/or the ones that give you results that translate the most reliably to other systems if you spend more time working on them.

As always, YMMV.

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#2962905 - 12/14/18 10:52 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Thanks Dave and Mark.

Maybe their high end bump is perfect for me because my ears definitely have a high end dip laugh

I can take my mix out to the car, listen on apple buds, play on computer speakers, whatever, but I cannot get away from the pause for concern that is the final set of transducers located on each side of my head. But then my audience might be equally impaired.


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#2962913 - 12/14/18 11:30 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Barryjam]
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I can take my mix out to the car, listen on apple buds, play on computer speakers, whatever, but I cannot get away from the pause for concern that is the final set of transducers located on each side of my head. But then my audience might be equally impaired.

"...might be..."? grin

One of the things that fascinates me about audio is that as a rule, most folks aren't given any sort of training about listening "correctly"...if any training at all, other than what they like/experience and what others around them say.

At the end of the day, is there really such a thing as listening correctly...? idk

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#2962918 - 12/14/18 11:58 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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One of the things that fascinates me about audio is that as a rule, most folks aren't given any sort of training about listening "correctly"...if any training at all, other than what they like/experience and what others around them say.

At the end of the day, is there really such a thing as listening correctly...? idkdB


That's an excellent point. I think ultra "foodies" and wine connoisseurs say the same thing about tasting. For those that don't fall under these categories how much do you really care about the finer points? Or listening to someone talk about them? blah




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#2963002 - 12/14/18 08:25 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Markyboard]
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KRK XVTs here …. 6" Had them for a few years. Still sound great. Like 'em
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#2963094 - 12/15/18 11:48 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: WheelHead]
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Found this super informative, but I know the entire map will change with a 6.5" woofer. That said, I like that the JBLs hold true on the low end, but the Yamaha's seem more honest in the mids.

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#2963098 - 12/15/18 12:15 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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So.... studio monitors are supposed to be flat, no big bumps or dips in the frequency chart. Even some live performance speakers attempt to to that, like some from Presonus, which would in theory make them usable as studio monitors.

What I’ve never gotten, is how some speakers that are relatively flat, sound dull or unexciting, and others with that relatively flat frequency chart, sound inspiring and help to bring the music alive.

Probably uninformed, simplistic thinking on my part. With home speaker systems, many manufacturers emphasized smiley curves, the equivalent of loudness controls that boost the bass and treble for a more dynamic sound. Without it, it seems like its more difficult to create a pleasing sounding speaker, esp at lower volumes.

I briefly tried some M-Audio BX8’s ? My room is not large enough to support 8’s, but they seemed way over emphasized in the bass.
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#2963109 - 12/15/18 12:48 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Randelph]
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You can't always trust specs. How was the frequency response measured? At what level? How does it interact with the room? What about power compression and its effect in response? What about group delay? Phase relationship? Harmonic adistortion? May as well say 2 different houses both are 3 BR 2 BA so they're the same.
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#2963121 - 12/15/18 02:20 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Randelph]
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So.... studio monitors are supposed to be flat, no big bumps or dips in the frequency chart.

Supposed to be, sure.
See my previous post on the subject of "flat" I really don't think there's such a thing, practically speaking. idea


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Even some live performance speakers attempt to to that, like some from Presonus, which would in theory make them usable as studio monitors.


In theory, yes. As a matter of fact, a lot of the big main monitors you'll see/hear in pro studios have a lot more in common with live speakers than reference monitors.


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What I’ve never gotten, is how some speakers that are relatively flat, sound dull or unexciting and others with that relatively flat frequency chart, sound inspiring and help to bring the music alive.


They were probably measured in some sort of anechoic chamber. Of course, no one listens to music in an anechoic chamber. idk

Dan said it well:

Originally Posted By: J. Dan
You can't always trust specs. How was the frequency response measured? At what level? How does it interact with the room? What about power compression and its effect in response? What about group delay? Phase relationship? Harmonic adistortion? May as well say 2 different houses both are 3 BR 2 BA so they're the same.


thu


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Probably uninformed, simplistic thinking on my part. With home speaker systems, many manufacturers emphasized smiley curves, the equivalent of loudness controls that boost the bass and treble for a more dynamic sound. Without it, it seems like its more difficult to create a pleasing sounding speaker, esp at lower volumes.

Pleasing is entirely relative.

Seriously. One person's big warm fat bass response is another person's muddy low end. Depends on the room, the placement...and the taste of the individual.

I cannot overemphasize how important this is. Pursing the idea that there's some sort of perfect standard that can be achieved may not result in the most productive use of time and energy.

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#2963136 - 12/15/18 04:12 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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About 15 years ago, dB talked me into buying (wasn't his fault- I was easily influenced!) a really good set of monitors; at that time he was working for ADAM and I ended up with a pair of S2As and slightly later a Sub8. Very soon afterward, my wife (a journalist) began working from home, and all this time I think I barely put 20 hrs on the system. Fast-forward to a couple of months ago, I had them sitting in a hallway as I was trying to re-do my studio. She then sold them to the salesman from the company that was remodeling our master bathroom- they guy recognized what they were and pretty much stole them! HeadPop
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#2963197 - 12/16/18 07:49 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Marzzz]
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... my wife (a journalist)...
... She then sold them to ... HeadPop


Woah ! cry

And you΄re still married now ? confused

B.t.w.,- what about a pair of Focal Shape Twin ?

Or the smaller and cheaper Focal Shape 65 / Alpha 65,- depending on room and budget ?

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#2963200 - 12/16/18 08:43 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Al Coda]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz


... my wife (a journalist)...
... She then sold them to ... HeadPop


Woah ! cry

And you΄re still married now ? confused


You obviously haven't met her.


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#2963206 - 12/16/18 09:52 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Al Coda]
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B.t.w.,- what about a pair of Focal Shape Twin ?

Or the smaller and cheaper Focal Shape 65 / Alpha 65,- depending on room and budget ?

I don't get along so well with Focal's idea of top end, as a rule. Typically a touch too sizzly for my taste.
Obviously varies by model/where they are. idea

Outside of trade shows, my main points of reference would be a project I did on Solos some years ago, and a set of CMS50 that was here for a few months for eval. The CMS spent most of their time here living in my son's room for him to use with his laptop. He liked them a lot.

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#2963212 - 12/16/18 10:30 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Working on mix post processing, I can create so many different feels for the A grade mixes that my monitors and headphones can come alive in a variety of ways commonly felt as speaker effects. It's hard to understand but the last decades specific speaker preparations have been made that offset the experience on most 'monitors'. For "monitoring" it's still a good idea to put an analog amplified mike signal on, preferably the neutral mics in another room with a speaking person at a good distance from them, and see whether that sounds natural on the monitors. Analog amplified and the mic(s) not too close to a voice or instrument the result should be recognisable and sound relatively dull.

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#2963217 - 12/16/18 11:09 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Theo Verelst]
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For "monitoring" it's still a good idea to put an analog amplified mike signal on, preferably the neutral mics in another room with a speaking person at a good distance from them, and see whether that sounds natural on the monitors. Analog amplified and the mic(s) not too close to a voice or instrument the result should be recognisable and sound relatively dull.

Surely you jest, my brother. freak

A mic? With a voice as source? Where the source can be all over the place in terms of physical presence and volume/dynamics? Spoken word or singing? What sort of material? Or if instrument - which one? Guitar with limited bandwidth/dynamics, or maybe an acoustic piano? I would guess not - so many techniques and mics from which to choose, and so challenging to do it well...

....which brings us to:

What kind of mic - dynamic, condenser, tube, ribbon? And what chain would you use? What pre? Solid state or tube? With at least some compression, if it's vocals, I imagine? EQ?

...and what do you mean by "see whether that sounds natural on the monitors"....? confused

I'm thinking there may be more reliable ways to go about evaluating a set of monitors....but hey, if that works for you... idk

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#2963251 - 12/16/18 04:26 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Marzzz
... my wife (a journalist)...
... She then sold them to ... HeadPop
Woah ! cry And you΄re still married now ? confused
You obviously haven't met [Kate].
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I will be allowed to get new ones in the near future...!

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#2963253 - 12/16/18 04:53 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
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I will be allowed to get new ones in the near future...!


Look at Genelec "The Ones". Truly exceptional monitors. I have 8351a's. The 8340's are now available at a nice savings.

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#2963306 - 12/17/18 06:58 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Nathanael_I]
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Originally Posted By: Nathanael_I
Originally Posted By: Marzzz
[I will be allowed to get new ones in the near future...!
Look at Genelec "The Ones". Truly exceptional monitors. I have 8351a's. The 8340's are now available at a nice savings.
Genelecs are actually on my short list of things to check out at NAMM next month, thanks for the tip!

Might be fun to get "The Ones" to go with the "One" (assuming Moog gets their act in gear...).

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#2965315 - 12/28/18 12:01 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Marzzz]
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If you are budget conscious, the JBL 305p/306p MKII or older LSR305 models are an excellent choice.

Also have a look at the Kali Audio's LP-6s. They're have 6.5" woofers so slightly better lower end than the JBLs and only cost $150 each. High end is pretty decent. I'd say they're the best monitors than you can get for under $500.

Finally be sure to have a look at the Yamaha HS5/HS7s and Adam Audio T5V/T7Vs.

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#2965351 - 12/28/18 06:49 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: halhertz]
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Originally Posted By: halhertz
They're have 6.5" woofers so slightly better lower end than the JBLs

It's not that simple.

Woofer size does not necessarily indicate "better" low end. Bigger woofers typically tend to provide more volume than lower frequency response.

Bass response is dictated by cabinet design (things like is the box sealed? Ported? Bass reflex?) as well as the materials in the woofer itself - a paper cone does not sound like a polypropylene cone does not sound like an aluminum cone, etc.

Also, the quality of the amplifier being used with the driver in question and how its artifacts are compensated for in the design of the monitor has an effect on the sound.

...and then there's the subject of what "better low end" means... idk

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#2965356 - 12/28/18 07:11 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: halhertz
They're have 6.5" woofers so slightly better lower end than the JBLs

It's not that simple.

Woofer size does not necessarily indicate "better" low end. Bigger woofers typically tend to provide more volume than lower frequency response.

Bass response is dictated by cabinet design (things like is the box sealed? Ported? Bass reflex?) as well as the materials in the woofer itself - a paper cone does not sound like a polypropylene cone does not sound like an aluminum cone, etc.

Also, the quality of the amplifier being used with the driver in question and how its artifacts are compensated for in the design of the monitor has an effect on the sound.

...and then there's the subject of what "better low end" means... idk

dB


Thanks for the clarification on this matter. I wasn't being very precise with my language.

Having said that I still believe that the LP-6's are great studio monitors for the price. They're definitely not the best if cost is no object, but price to specs ratio is good.

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#2965361 - 12/28/18 08:00 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: halhertz]
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The focus here seems to be on active monitors for mixing/mastering. Is that what everyone is doing here? I would think for the gig oriented these type monitors are mostly used for preparing for gigs, working on songs, trying out sounds and otherwise just playing/practicing. In which case maybe these small monitors aren't the best answer idk . Because if you're sitting just a bit outside the all important equilateral triangle for optimal mixing these small monitors may just sound small. Physical playing positions in bedroom type studios often end up on one side of the stereo image. And the more you crank those small monitors to compensate the more apparent the size becomes.

I'm not disagreeing with what dB and other experts are saying but it does sound like it's all from the professional mixing/mastering perspective. Maybe bigger is better for your particular purposes?

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#2965371 - 12/28/18 08:36 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: halhertz]
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Originally Posted By: halhertz
Having said that I still believe that the LP-6's are great studio monitors for the price. They're definitely not the best if cost is no object, but price to specs ratio is good.

I haven't heard the Kali monitors...but all the feedback I've gotten from people who have heard them has been positive.

Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I'm not disagreeing with what dB and other experts are saying but it does sound like it's all from the professional mixing/mastering perspective. Maybe bigger is better for your particular purposes?

...in which case, perhaps something two-way with a horn for the highs could be the wiser choice.

I have studio monitors in the front part of my toy room, and a set of Yamaha floor monitors with a separate power amp in the back for when I just want to turn the keys on and play. When I really want to be indulgent, I turn them both on - the keyboard rig feeds both systems. grin

The floor monitors are wired reverse to the studio monitors (R/L instead of L/R), so when both systems are on something like a ping pong delay goes from one side of the room to the left no matter where you're standing or which way you're facing.

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#2967142 - 01/05/19 10:55 PM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Michael W]
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Ok, just following up. I pulled the trigger on the HS7s. I was able to A/B them with a lot of other monitors, including the Adams, the JBLs, Behringer, KRK, M-Audio, and others at my local GC.

I have to say, to my ear, the HS series were just a lot more honest, although the Adams came very close. Everything else just seemed to have that dippy smiley face EQ type of sound. I don't know if that's become a new standard. If it has, I don't like it. Hooked up my new HS7s in my setup and they just rock my socks off. Really looking forward to doing some actual mixing with them.

Thanks for the recommendation to get isolators. I had them throw in a set to be on the safe side.
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#2967181 - 01/06/19 07:00 AM Re: Good Active Studio Reference Monitors? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Congrats! Enjoy...

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