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#511393 04/03/04 08:30 PM
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hmmmm.... gonna get slammed for this i'm sure, but i seem to remember yes (and beatles) engineer geoff emerick saying that "close to the edge" was an edited nightmare. something like an edit every 2 bars on the multitrack.....
No reason to get slammed for pointing out something that's true...although most accounts I've read didn't say it was a "nightmare", just that the edit density was very very high. As I recall they had a whole bunch of little splices of tape all over the place that they'd keep rearranging and re-sequencing. Kind of funny that back in the day it was considered innovative, where today it's so heavily criticized when it's done in a computer. Maybe that's why...because it's so easy now...

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No reason to get slammed for pointing out something that's true...although most accounts I've read didn't say it was a "nightmare", just that the edit density was very very high. As I recall they had a whole bunch of little splices of tape all over the place that they'd keep rearranging and re-sequencing. Kind of funny that back in the day it was considered innovative, where today it's so heavily criticized when it's done in a computer. Maybe that's why...because it's so easy now...

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I think it was far less criticized back then because they turned around and learned these arrangements and executed them flawlessly on stage. No one would dare call Yes' technical prowess into question. Nowadays, the editing happens when the players suck, so it's criticized, and even more so when the band goes out and slops their way through these songs that are already stupidly simple, so much that a 1st-year player could execute them.

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We shouldn't leave out ELP. Some great contributions to music history from them.

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Yeah, 'Tarkus' was completely awesome. I consider it their magnum opus.

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...Genesis "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"...

I have seen [both] bands perform most of these live, and they are even more dynamic than the studio versions......Last but certainly not least, the perfect blend of rock and classical. ELP "Pictures at an Exibition" Live with the orchestra. Power, beauty, WOW!....

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Are you saying you saw the original tour of Lamb Lies Down, with PG singing? If so, that is a big wow...wish I had. PG had moved on by the time I showed up.

I also saw the ELP tour with the full orchestra and chior, that was truly stunning in all respects.

Still, I would have loved to have seen the Topographic Oceans tour. I worked with the chap who was their FOH engineer for that tour, and heard some great stories.

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.........."Still, I would have loved to have seen the Topographic Oceans tour. I worked with the chap who was their FOH engineer for that tour, and heard some great stories........."

Ugh...imo, "Topographic" was the worst tour show out of the 15-16 Yes concerts I've seen over the years. People were actually walking out while I was there. The bad thing was that the band wasn't playing anything other than the four sides..except for the obligatory Roundabout encore. And if you know the album, there are some v-e-r-y long stretches of strange beatless passages..things that didn't translate well into a concert atmosphere. I'm glad I saw it, but wouldn't have recommended it for anyone.

I like sides 1-2-4 (not side 3)of Topographic but sitting through an entire concert of it was just too much. I agree with the decision the band later made to rearrange side 4 a little and to later put it into live shows every so often. The Side 4 piece actually sounds real cool on the Symphonic dvd concert.

I thought the band might be finished when I heard the Topographic concert, but luckily, things just got better and better for the later "Relayer" and "Going For the One" tours.

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Are you saying you saw the original tour of Lamb Lies Down, with PG singing? If so, that is a big wow...wish I had. PG had moved on by the time I showed up.

Yes, NatPub, I did see the "Lamb" tour with Gabriel. I was a first year student at Berklee College of Music and a friend at school had just turned me on to their music. They played a theatre concert in Boston. They did the entire 2 LP set straight down, and followed with "The Musical Box" as an encore.

Needless to say, it took me 3 days to drag my chin off the floor. One of the most memorable concerts I've ever attended.

Did I mention that also I saw the Beatles in '65 right after "Help" came out? I was 9 years old and my Dad, (God bless him), took me and my 2 older sisters to the old Met Stadium in Bloomington Minnesota. (Sorry, I just HAD to throw that in for bragging rights.)

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For me the surround mix of Fragile on DVD-Audio is the aural equivalent of parachute jumping while drunk! A lot of fun and a worthy replacement for my worn casette version. Prog really lends itself to 5.1. Can't stand Genesis though!

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For me the surround mix of Fragile on DVD-Audio is the aural equivalent of parachute jumping while drunk!!
So it made you puke and whipped your face into all kinds of distorted shapes?

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It's funny - I recently read a review where the guy said ELP were a sellout and lost their artistic credibility because they "didn't stick with their original material" but went on to cover classical stuff.... almost as if the guy didn't know that their very first effort was "Pictures at an Exhibition" at the Isle of Wight!

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Yeah, 'Tarkus' was completely awesome. I consider it their magnum opus.


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almost as if the guy didn't know that their very first effort was "Pictures at an Exhibition" at the Isle of Wight!
what??? certainly wasn't their 1st studio effort by any means....that one was all originals, and great to boot....though Eddie Offord never could (or would) track a decent piano.

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They did the entire 2 LP set straight down, and followed with "The Musical Box" as an encore...
Droooool....

my biggest prog moment was getting to sit in a small barroom for 2 hours a couple years back with Steve Howe and shoot the breeze. He had always been my guitar hero growing up, and it took me the whole first hour just to loosen up enough to speak, hahaha. One funny bit of trivia about him, he won't shake hands--at least not while on tour. Apparently he had some bad encounter with people shaking too hard and nearly injuring his hand :-) Took me a moment to register why he was refusing to shake my hand,lol.

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...my biggest prog moment was getting to sit in a small barroom for 2 hours a couple years back with Steve Howe and shoot the breeze.

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I worked for a production company back in the 70s when Yes made it big. Steve Howe was a very nice guy. He would show up at the venue at about 1 in the afternoon, close himself in the guitar room and practice until dinner, eat his veggy dinner and go play.

Just walking through the hallway outside of the guitar room was amazing, because he basically played non-stop. Killer stuff. What always threw me with his work is that, though I can see the influences of almost every guitar player that I like, he just seems to come from left field. Wonderful player.

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I worked for a production company back in the 70s when Yes made it big. Steve Howe was a very nice guy. He would show up at the venue at about 1 in the afternoon, close himself in the guitar room and practice until dinner, eat his veggy dinner and go play.

Just walking through the hallway outside of the guitar room was amazing, because he basically played non-stop. Killer stuff. What always threw me with his work is that, though I can see the influences of almost every guitar player that I like, he just seems to come from left field. Wonderful player.
Agreed, Bill.

He had that semi-sallow vegan-skintone. Though I admire his tenacity, I still love a steak. His guitar-tone, however, was far from sallow, but indeed had nearly every variety I could think of, though rarely heavy metal-ish, hahah.

When I was still a teen, he had won the Guitar Player magazing award for Best Guitarist so many times, they removed him to the Hall of Fame. It would not suprize me if he kept on winning to this day, had they let him.

That said, while I adore the quaintness of his solo-albums, he is not the best of singers=)

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[QUOTE]my biggest prog moment was getting to sit in a small barroom for 2 hours a couple years back with Steve Howe and shoot the breeze.
For me it was seeing Todd Rundgren with Utopia back in about 1974. What a cool concert.


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