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I didn't sell 500K - that was my point, popmusic. According to Billboard, it didn't even break gold. We don't know how many Strokes discs sold; it could be less than 50K for all we know.

For a typical new artist in a major deal, breaking gold means breaking even. For the last 20 years that's been the reality. The label recoups their expenses up to that point (roughly - depends on the deal, but that's a common yardstick).

For an artist that was the subject of a huge bidding war, such as The Strokes, the disc must go multi-platinum for the label to recoup what they spent aquiring the act.

Long story short: the Strokes label took a bath on The Strokes.

My condolences.

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It's WAY too early to be talking about their demise. They're only just starting to be used heavily on TV promos over here which is more exposure than they've had since the album came out. They get little or no local radio airplay as they're too extreme - can you believe that?

Kids in London are just starting to dress like them too.

The album will continue to sell reasonably well for the forseeable future - labels are so stupid that they shit themselves if the act doesn't set the world on fire 1 nanosecond afte their first release.


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For a typical new artist in a major deal, breaking gold means breaking even. For the last 20 years that's been the reality. The label recoups their expenses up to that point (roughly - depends on the deal, but that's a common yardstick).

For an artist that was the subject of a huge bidding war, such as The Strokes, the disc must go multi-platinum for the label to recoup what they spent aquiring the act.


This demonstrates everything that is wrong with the mainstream major end of the record industry. It is the reason that in some genres (particularly in the dance scene) there are many small labels who sell a few hundred or a few thousand of each release and do very well thank you. There came a point many years back when many people realised what an accountant-driven pile of cack the big labels had created and that it had killed all innovation and real art. It was run by people who are not in love with music. Small truly independent labels are not tied to this ridiculous farce of having to sell stupid numbers just to pay for their own hype.

Maybe the industry needs to be broken up a bit - monopolies in other industries are often broken up by goverments but somehow we seem to find that four record labels running the world is acceptable. Some of us don't though and choose not to even bother dealing with major labels. There is a whole world of music out there doing very well and not controlled by the big few.


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Now a new good band that I heard was Remy Zero, the album production isnt A++++ but the music is good.


I actually like the production, but then I like most things Alan Moulder works on (Monster Magnet being the big exception.)

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check out the rolling stone review . interesting reading. to cross-reference the sister thread on craig's forum and all the talk about riches and privelege, the review makes it sound as though the songs are all about their lives and an honest depiction of growing up in new york city with money.

however, i think the reason why people get so agitated about rock'n'roll phonies is that rock music is supposed to be the one about honesty and sincerity. pop is built on plastic, so we are not enraged by the plastic, disposable stars whom we despise.

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Wow, I finally decided to read a bit of this thread. Pretty menacing, I'd say. Anyway, I recently listened to the record a couple of times - it kind of grew on me. I have not seen a music video or looked at a Rolling Stone or Spin magazine for a couple years, so I was not put off by the image they spout (I don't even know how many members there are in the band). From a production standpoint, it is somewhat of a welcome change to all the million dollar productions that SOUND like a million dollars. ;\) The horrible clipped vocal has gotten on my nerves, but at least the band has NAILED their ONE sound and included a couple alternate versions of a couple songs on the album. ;\) I'd give it a 3 or 4 out of 5 (grading on the curve, of course). Thank goodness I've never had to see their "image" or hear the "buzz" and disembowel my opinion of the band.


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Another band whom I think is lacking in recognition on a wonderfully created and produced album is Ours


yeah, well i can't find a website for them on yahoo and they don't have anything posted on emusic, so i guess i'm stuck...

any way that i can hear their songs, read their bio, and perhaps find out if they're playing live near me anytime soon?

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Another band whom I think is lacking in recognition on a wonderfully created and produced album is Ours.
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Shit, I thought it was MINE!! :p ;\) \:D


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wow - after all the pages of bitching and whining i have read about the strokes - i downloaded some JUST to hear how BAD THEY SOUND -

and i was expecting something shitty like DANZIG or THE SURF PUNKS

but i tell you what, the strokes aint bad at all. i was not sonically or performancewise offended or anything. reminded me of the first time i heard the band U2 in 1986. i thought u2 sucked at first listen, but now they are one of my favorite bands of all time.

the strokes are neat. i am gonna go buy the album!

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Yeah, this thread got me curious so I checked out NY City Cops and one other...I kinda like their music too. It works for me on several levels.

"NY City"..great attitude in the playing & singing/danceable..almost a "Radar Love" kind of feel.. I always like those kinds /lots of hooks/good 3-4 minute pop guitar structure/interesting vocal in a combination of Bono & Morrison/arrangement that's relateable to gazillions of garage bands/level of production that not only works for the song, but that any kid could aspire to match.....a little something for any and all those kids who buy music product.

I see how kids would buy Strokes music and why record companies would get into a bid situation over them.

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In my experience, the Strokes are appealing to hipster kids who followed the bandwagon to quiet acoustic or electronic music in the past couple years and started missing the rock & roll.

"Hard to Explain" is a good song, sounds like Guided by Voices, except GbV would've had the balls to end it after the first chorus.

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i played the strokes for my girlfriend and she hated it. said it sounded like crap. also didnt like the new york cops song.

even she thought this band would never sell.

i think theyre kinda cool myself. yes, definatly bad though

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OK I saw them SEPT 2,000 at Don Hills NYC playing to a 1/4 full house.

I immediately tried to approach them for production..

(no go, I reckon everything was well in place by then)

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1) All fairly tall & skinny & young
2) wearing retro velvet underground style clothes (Very NYC!)
3) their pulsing bass drum / repetition (ala white light white heat) was very velvet underground (Very NYC!)
4) The singer was good looking
5) The whole package was 'a thing'

Now a year later they are popular. Most women I know that are in the industry or that follow indie music would like to take the flush faced puffy lipped young singer into a dark room and FUCK HIS BRAINS OUT.

THAT IS THE APPEAL

A BUNCH OF SKINNY GUYS IN A ROCK BAND

NOTHING NEW - BUT A WORKING FORMULA NO LESS!

Now my view is, if the guy actually has something to say, they will last, if not, they wont. I believe he is already an alcoholic, so there may be little chance...we will see.. That naive ‘Velvet pulse’ has been popular for a long time, it appears also in Iggy's "1969" track, & music journalists LOVE that style and by and large HATE Limp Bizkit & Kid Rock, The Strokes offer some sort of chance to take a trip back to a back room at Max's Kansas City or CBGB's in the late 1970's - hip media types prefer that to the rock star / porno actress lifestyle (cause they aint never gonna get to bone Pammy & may not aspire to own a pitbull) .. You KNOW Andy Warhol would have adopted The Strokes if he were still alive! Arty types like The Strokes too..

They aint bad, singer will probably fall over and bang his head and die in the next year... Enjoy em while you can..

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i played the strokes for my girlfriend and she hated it. said it sounded like crap. also didnt like the new york cops song.

even she thought this band would never sell.

i think theyre kinda cool myself. yes, definatly bad though


So, did you get laid or not? I mean, what the fuck, over??

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Wow, I love to see this much conversation sparked, and I must have a go. My personnal way of understanding why I like or dislike any new music , whether it be Britney or the Strokes or whatever ,is to play and sing their stuff on an acoustic guitar. You get the melody and the phrasing unadulterated. I reckon The Strokes score a big win in this category. So do some of those Britney Spears songs. It's just how the stuff comes dressed that seems to fire everyone up. At that point I can only see it as Horses for courses. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to fence sit. There are plenty of bands out there that fail my first test dismally ,and I love nothing more than to shit bag them relentlessly.

The other thing that comes to mind with reference to the social status of the individuals in The Strokes, is the fact that a large majority of the great innovators in the field of rock and pop (my personal knowledge is more in the electric guitar realm) come from middle to upper class backgrounds, with relatively stable families. Maybe this leaves the youthful mind free to explore it's passion and agression in rock and pop, where alternatively it may be weighed down by more pressing matters like financial security, self protection, and finding love.

Sorry to get so philisophical.

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Hit me STRUM one more STRUM time STRUM..

Get the fuck outa here!

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i read the link, i heard some strokes songs, i saw them play a concert on MTV2 [i think].

definately a xerox of a sound long gone by as well as the time it occured in. biggest thing about seeing the strokes live on TV is that the music totally didnt fit the enviroment. where was all the smokers? where were all the druggies? where was all the booze?

actually, the strokes are a good guage for a lot of the bands i work with dealing with commercial success... i happen to think most of the bands in my area pull it off a little better than the strokes could in their wet dreams... the big difference according to the links analysis of the strokes is that bands around here DONT apologize for sounding the way they do, they just write killer songs heavily influenced by the past. another big problem is the notion that music should make you want to dance... who the hell cares about dancing? music should make you want to FUCK! "dancing" is for squares. music around here is about debauchery... where girls are ripping their shirts off at smoky shows and groping with each other on the beer covered dance floor, where another is bent over the bassists amp while he pleases her with the umm... head of his bass neck ;\)

but that doesnt really matter. this type of music NEVER really blew up, not with VU or the MC5 or the many other bands around at the time. i think their popularity grew over time picking up new generations of the same cynical bunch who liked them way back when... but crossing over into the mainstream will most likely never happen much to the disappointment of the major labels.

these types of bands shouldnt ever be about major label success. nor a lot of bands for that matter. its all about their niche and filling it... and having the same success with sales while most likely making more money in the process.

now george took issue with the inherent "lo-fi" nature of the album. i wonder what he thinks of a VU album... that IS part of what it is, i dont know if it was contrived or not but its what its supposed to be. and the whole irony is once again, the strokes stem from the fashion world as andy warhol roosted upon VU. i dont know if i want to hear any of these type of bands all slickly done up. its about raunch. just like i dont want to see them in a brightly lit non smoking venue.


the strokes are not a nirvana... they are not capable of saving anything, most likely even their own musical careers. they will not cause the underground to bubble up like over a decade ago, people are too shallow and nervous to contemplate anything menatally serious anyways, why they go to church... so they dont have to think... they just accept what others tell them.

america in all its glorious capitalism has become a very sterile place void of anything offensive. people so worried about disturbing the surface of the shallow waters that they dont even bother going in the big cess pool of humanity. or it would freak them out too much concerned with what everyone else might think.

conservative and unchanging... its like the 50's all over again. pretty on the outside but a fucking mess on the indside.


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+ points (from live)
1) All fairly tall & skinny & young
2) wearing retro velvet underground style clothes (Very NYC!)
3) their pulsing bass drum / repetition (ala white light white heat) was very velvet underground (Very NYC!)
4) The singer was good looking
5) The whole package was 'a thing'


They could have been huge, but their timing was a little bit off...

After Bin Laden's guys hit the WTC, priorities shifted. What seemed "cool" in NYC before that, suddenly seemed silly; insulting, even. Somewheres between 70K and 100K jobs have been lost in NYC, and probably many more as the ripple-effect sets in on the local economy. Peeps in NYC no longer had the patience, sense of humor, or disposable income for a "cool for cool's sake" act like The Strokes. Without that home-base support, they were left to go compete with everyone else on an equal playing field, and critics don't sell records.

A local music journalist told me recently that Julian is contemplating a move to Philly, because he finds the scene here more inviting than the current atmosphere in NYC. I dunno...I think he should move to London or Berlin. Philly's kinda fickle. If Julian was black and poor, that would be a different story, but...

I'm not betting the bank on The Strokes. They are cute, though.

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The Strokes are not my cup of well you know what I mean.
Even if they were great. So....

Hey I do like the band OURS great CD and I caught them live at Roxy great show.

Far as all things garage and pure rawkus The Lords Of Altamont CD is pretty cool. I just saw them last night at Spaceland for their record release party Fu@#in awesome show pure rock madness.


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Good lord. I just don't get it. I mean, I never liked that sort of super-straight ahead stuff, but the Stokes seems like a salable rock band with some hooks. I'm not at all surprised to find them in the Top 40 or hyped. I'm also not upset. And I'm kind of surprised at how exercised people have gotten.

You expect the industry to promote substance? Yeah, substance is somewhere in the portfolio (in the place they keep acts to entice new acts), but that's gotta be balanced against the aging stars who might or might not deliver on sales and last year's cash cow that's turned into a liability.

The Stokes were a great bet, their label took it, and we'll see how it came out.

But why be so upset about it? It's like you expect record labels just to put out music on the basis of its artistic merit? Yeah, riiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhhhhht.

If you want to launch into a critique of how the industry works, go for it. But let's not pretend that the Stokes are some kind of aberration (in either sense of the word).

The weird thing is all my really smart hipper-and-more-indyrock-than-me friends really like the Stokes. I don't get it. They're just kind of boring to me. But then I also don't get alt.country and lots of other things that are/were cool.

I'm so American. I don't know art. I just know what I like.

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Hey this thread was mentioned in The Strokes own message board...

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i like the strokes.not my favourite band by far,but i like them.energetic,a bit retro,brilliant tunes,they record live in the studio,they write simple melodic songs and they are a slap in the face of nu-metal,sports-metal,jock-metal,shit metal,dumb-metal,over-the-top metal,over-produced metal.
the strokes record captures a band playing live in a studio and it sounds like it didn't cost a million dollars to make.which is THE point of the record.

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lmao.

man, i had mtv on while i was painting my living room today and fuck does this current heavy metal just suck ass. even with that genre, the shitty bands float to the top. Jucifer kicks their ass... i guess they cant let a girl beat them at their own game though.

then the white stripes came on. much better.

and i will listen to the strokes over most of whats commercially out there now. but i dont really have the need, where i live is filled with garage rock bands so i just have to go out to a club to get my fill.


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man,there's this band called Brainiac,from Dayton,Ohio...they're the most innovative rock band i can think of...they're just undefinable.
their best record is called Hissin' Prigs in Static Couture.i think it's one of the best american rock records ever.wicked minds.

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Sounds like they cut and paste verses and chorus from rock history together in PT then played over top and added new lyrics. They sound bored. I'd like to hear what they sounded like before a contract. Where is the rock these days anyways?

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man,there's this band called Brainiac,from Dayton,Ohio...they're the most innovative rock band i can think of...they're just undefinable.
their best record is called Hissin' Prigs in Static Couture.i think it's one of the best american rock records ever.wicked minds.


i have heard them. needless to say they are out there. i think the guy who basically IS brainiac is dead.

have you picked up olivia tremor control?


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Jucifer kicks their ass... i guess they cant let a girl beat them at their own game though.


Jucifer, exactly...


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Strokes win "best newcomer" or somethimg at "Brits"
British music industry awards.

Their hotel was then raided by uniformed talent squad officers and all were arrested \:D

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