Al Coda Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I see the 73 is about 26 lbs (12 kg), not terrible, but my current main keyboard is 10 lbs - I wouldn't be looking to almost triple that figure. Well, watching I recognize you playing sax and additional keys, isn´t it ? The lightweight Roland A800 controller is a nice toy, but I´d never came thru a complete show as the main keyboardplayer w/ such rig. At least, I didn´t when I toured in the past. So, I think, 12 kilos for a 73 keyboard w/ weighted action is already amazing. I´m really curious about the new Fatar TP 110 triple sensor action of the 73 model. I can imagine it fits nicely on top of a Hammond (-clone). A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Weight isn't the only thing with keyboards I have found. Some are just more cumbersome and awkward than others; sometimes even if they are heavier they can be easier to manhandle. My Moxf8 isn't that heavy but it's big and hard to get in and out of places. My old Motif was probably lighter than my Virus b (actually they may have been close) but the Virus was much easier to deal with as it was compact and was easy to grab; the Motif was bigger and had an angled chassis that always put you in danger of dropping it. Then you get the extreme of my Modx7, which is silly light and also has a big lip in the underside, I can pick it up by that and wave it around with one hand (ie, very easy to get off the stand and put in the case). As I said in the Nord thread recently, they seem to be the only ones who do light (some models like the electro), compact, metal/wood and no wall wart. These look pretty compact and easy to grab from the pics but obviously we'll know more soon! I'm hoping we'll get some comparisons between the tp110 action and GHS, as well as the heavier tp40 variations (that I used to have in my old 90s SL990 pro that finally died) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Weight is everything in my case. My Mojo61 and it"s lower keyboard is so easy to maneuver, and weighs about the same as the Numa X piano 73. That"s why I ordered the 73 instead of the 88. I am curious how this will sit atop the Mojo61. The top of the Mojo is a little over 5 inches and the depth of the Numa is 12 inchesâ¦. I may have to go to an angled setup⦠we shall see. Quote '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 As I said in the Nord thread recently, they seem to be the only ones who do light (some models like the electro), compact, metal/wood and no wall wart. The Dexibell VIVO line comes close -- light, compact, metal... but have an external power supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 As I said in the Nord thread recently, they seem to be the only ones who do light (some models like the electro), compact, metal/wood and no wall wart. There aren't many, there's Yamaha YC61, YC73, CP73 and Hammond SK Pro. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Weight is everything in my case. My Mojo61 and it"s lower keyboard is so easy to maneuver, and weighs about the same as the Numa X piano 73. That"s why I ordered the 73 instead of the 88. I am curious how this will sit atop the Mojo61. The top of the Mojo is a little over 5 inches and the depth of the Numa is 12 inchesâ¦. I may have to go to an angled setup⦠we shall see. You´ll need a stand w/ (kind of) additional tier supporting the Numa X´s rear portion. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I don"t know. I may prefer to just have the Numa on a 90 degree angle to the right of the Mojo. Like Belmont Tench has his piano and B3 set up. Quote '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I see the 73 is about 26 lbs (12 kg), not terrible, but my current main keyboard is 10 lbs - I wouldn't be looking to almost triple that figure. Well, watching I recognize you playing sax and additional keys, isn´t it ? No that's a very old video, with our sax player (Freddie V) playing aux keys (he's still in the band and he still does this). The bass player in that video is Elliot Lewis, currently with Hall & Oates. I'm playing his chair - I play keys and bass. The lightweight Roland A800 controller is a nice toy, but I´d never came thru a complete show as the main keyboardplayer w/ such rig. At least, I didn´t when I toured in the past. A toy to you, a perfectly capable controller that I can do anything and everything I need on any show or gig that I do â when paired with my Plogue Bidule setup of course. I remember years ago carrying my KX88 in a flight case - 100lbs (45 kg) on a "jazz tour" of the UK and Europe. Why do you think I play an A800 now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 No that's a very old video, ... The bass player in that video is Elliot Lewis, ... I'm playing his chair - I play keys and bass. O.k., thx for reply,- great gig ! Any newer vid where I can watch you doing the job ? A toy to you, ... Only when comparing the actions of a A800 (or Edirol PCR800) and a dedicated stage piano like the new Numa, Roland RD etc.. a perfectly capable controller that I can do anything and everything I need ... I like ´em as controllers for VST softsynths, Reason instruments and such ... ... on any show or gig that I do â when paired with my Plogue Bidule setup of course. I have small hands and when playing very fast runs on that action, I recognized some notes weren´t loud enough or got lost because the keys have to be depressed relatively deep until it triggers, - p.ex. compared to the action of a DX7, also mkII and KX76 / KX5 or even a Kurzweil PC361 (Fatar TP 9S). And because these Midi-controller actions introduce short keys, the pivot point can make problems too unfortunately. But I can imagine, when you play only this keyboard at shows and since a long time, you´re used to it. I remember years ago carrying my KX88 in a flight case - 100lbs (45 kg) on a "jazz tour" of the UK and Europe. Well, I remember my KX88 in a ATA flightcase too. Sold it for a Rhodes MK80 and kept the KX76. I wonder why YOU had to carrie,- not a single roadie at that time ? Why do you think I play an A800 now? Because you fly to gigs and no crew traveling w/ trucks overnite,- right ? A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I don"t know. I may prefer to just have the Numa on a 90 degree angle to the right of the Mojo. Like Belmont Tench has his piano and B3 set up. I meant, when you plan stacking ´em and Mojo is the bottom board, you´ll need that support tier. When you prefer L-config,- it´s oboslete by nature. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 No that's a very old video, ... The bass player in that video is Elliot Lewis, ... I'm playing his chair - I play keys and bass. O.k., thx for reply,- great gig ! Any newer vid where I can watch you doing the job ? Just found , filmed & uploaded by someone in the audience â from a casino gig near San Diego California, two weeks ago. A toy to you, ... Only when comparing the actions of a A800 (or Edirol PCR800) and a dedicated stage piano like the new Numa, Roland RD etc.. Of course it's toy-like if you require a weighted action! Any non-piano-like action would be if that's your benchmark. I started using 61-key semi-weighted when I was doing wedding gigs in New York City. I have no issues playing an acoustic piano on it â I'm pretty good with the octave shift keys! a perfectly capable controller that I can do anything and everything I need ... I like ´em as controllers for VST softsynths, Reason instruments and such ... Yes they're built for that, and that's what my "main rig" is about - virtual instruments on a laptop, no hardware keyboards. I remember years ago carrying my KX88 in a flight case - 100lbs (45 kg) on a "jazz tour" of the UK and Europe. Well, I remember my KX88 in a ATA flightcase too. Sold it for a Rhodes MK80 and kept the KX76. I wonder why YOU had to carrie,- not a single roadie at that time ? As I remember we had one person to do it all, drive our bus/van, move gear, set up drums & amps, etc. That KX88 went on a lot of airplanes too. I did some, not all of the carrying â we all helped. But wedding gigs in New York? Nobody's around to help there! Why do you think I play an A800 now? Because you fly to gigs and no crew traveling w/ trucks overnite,- right ? That's certainly one reason. Also, the low weight of the A800 means it can be put in a large canvas duffel bag with my bass so it counts as ONE piece of baggage - and it still flies free. Another reason is that I get to play my instrument. That helps me, and saves the band from having to rent a keyboard, which was the case before I had enough air miles to fly mine at no additional cost. The rental was almost always a Motif, and I didn't care for the action at all. So it's a win-win, assuming my A800 holds up, which - so far - it has. Sorry for the derail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Trying hard to like this, but Roland"s RD-88 with all those classic Zen-Core sounds and MainStage compatibility is holding me back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiefunk Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 There's another demo video up with the X-Piano 73 here The acoustic pianos don't sound as impressive here as the other demos but am wondering if the playing is a little heavy handed or the touch is set too light? They sound like they are reaching full velocity all lot of the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Question for owners of the Numa Compact pianos: do you hear significant upgrades in sounds, especially AP & EP? Does it sound like this is the same sound set played on a weighted action? Not necessarily from these demo videos, but even from Studiologic"s website? Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Several of those Numa X Piano AP's in dickiefunk's linked demo video (e.g. Japanese Grand, German Grand, Vintage) are designated exactly same and sound to my ears more or less the same as those on the Compact 2X which I have. There are also couple of new AP's in the Numa X Piano video that aren't on or downloadable yet for the NC2X (e.g. Italian Grand and American Piano) The Rhodes Mark 1 and 2 sound better to me on the Numa X Piano demos than the equivalent ones on the NC2X. Of course, it's hard to make such determinations with confidence based on demo videos. Also, as we all know, the same sounds can sound different when played on semi-weighted vs. weighted action, or when played by different individuals. Quote Gigs: Nord 5D 73, Kurz PC4-7 & SP4-7, Hammond SK1, Yamaha MX88 & P121, Numa Compact 2x, Casio CGP700, QSC K12, Yamaha DBR10, JBL515xt(2). Alto TS310(2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiefunk Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 A couple of my biggest concerns regarding the X-Piano are the new TP/110 action and how the sounds will interact with this. Studiologic are saying the TP/110 is a 'massive improvement of the TP/100 design'. Whilst this sounds promising, I wonder how it will compare to the action of my old Roland RD300GX? I am just so used to playing this board and am hoping the TP/110 won"t be any heavier! I will hopefully be able to report back here in a few weeks when the X-Piano 88 arrives and share my thoughts. The other boards I"m considering are the Roland RD88 and Yamaha CP88. Which of these two has the lighter action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Studiologic are saying the TP/110 is a 'massive improvement of the TP/100 design'. They would hardly say anything else. I expect the word "acclaimed" to make an appearance soon... Personally I'm not setting my expectations too high, but would be delighted to be proved wrong. Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauriziodececco Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 By the way, the guy talking in the superbooth videos, Paolo Principi, is the guy behind psound.com, that somebody here know well . Maurizio Quote Nord Wave 2, Nord Electro 6D 61,, Rameau upright, Hammond Pro44H Melodica. Too many Arturia, NI and AAS plugins http://www.barbogio.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 By the way, the guy talking in the superbooth videos, Paolo Principi, is the guy behind psound.com, that somebody here know well . Maurizio psound.com ??? A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GianfrixMG Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Several of those Numa X Piano AP's in dickiefunk's linked demo video (e.g. Japanese Grand, German Grand, Vintage) are designated exactly same and sound to my ears more or less the same as those on the Compact 2X which I have. There are also couple of new AP's in the Numa X Piano video that aren't on or downloadable yet for the NC2X (e.g. Italian Grand and American Piano) The Rhodes Mark 1 and 2 sound better to me on the Numa X Piano demos than the equivalent ones on the NC2X. Of course, it's hard to make such determinations with confidence based on demo videos. Also, as we all know, the same sounds can sound different when played on semi-weighted vs. weighted action, or when played by different individuals. Glad I'm not the only one who got that. The upright piano also sounds as bad as it does on the NC2x (especially on the low notes) and the honky tonk just sounds strange on the attack. My hypotesis is that the guts are mostly derived from the Numa Compact with physical modeling added for some sounds and better DSP. Quote Yamaha MODX7 | iPad Mini 2 | Raspberry Pi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Studiologic are saying the TP/110 is a 'massive improvement of the TP/100 design'. What came to my mind when reading this quote was .... how shitty were their previous keyboards with the TP/100 then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GianfrixMG Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 A couple of my biggest concerns regarding the X-Piano are the new TP/110 action and how the sounds will interact with this. Studiologic are saying the TP/110 is a 'massive improvement of the TP/100 design'. Whilst this sounds promising, I wonder how it will compare to the action of my old Roland RD300GX? I am just so used to playing this board and am hoping the TP/110 won"t be any heavier! I will hopefully be able to report back here in a few weeks when the X-Piano 88 arrives and share my thoughts. The other boards I"m considering are the Roland RD88 and Yamaha CP88. Which of these two has the lighter action? There's an italian article that talks about this new product: https://www.supportimusicali.it/forum/view/8/20/92955/1/tastiere_pianoforti_studiologic_numa_x_piano_gt_88_73 It says that there's a "new neoprene strip where the hammers rest in order to reduce bouncing", thus I hope it will also be less noisy overtime like the TP100 is. Also, as "the Aftertouch is triggered by the hammers for a more accurate control" (from Studiologic's website) I think the basic structure will be the same (hammers hitting a strip outside of the keys, not inside the keys themselves) They also say "the new hammers ensure an extremely fluent and authentic feel", so I really hope it will be less fatiguing. Quote Yamaha MODX7 | iPad Mini 2 | Raspberry Pi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauriziodececco Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 By the way, the guy talking in the superbooth videos, Paolo Principi, is the guy behind psound.com, that somebody here know well . Maurizio psound.com ??? A.C. Sorry, i should have checked the url; try :THIS. He publish sound libraries, notably accordeons, musette and bandneon and other stuff Maurizio Quote Nord Wave 2, Nord Electro 6D 61,, Rameau upright, Hammond Pro44H Melodica. Too many Arturia, NI and AAS plugins http://www.barbogio.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Several of those Numa X Piano AP's in dickiefunk's linked demo video (e.g. Japanese Grand, German Grand, Vintage) are designated exactly same and sound to my ears more or less the same as those on the Compact 2X which I have. There are also couple of new AP's in the Numa X Piano video that aren't on or downloadable yet for the NC2X (e.g. Italian Grand and American Piano) The Rhodes Mark 1 and 2 sound better to me on the Numa X Piano demos than the equivalent ones on the NC2X. Of course, it's hard to make such determinations with confidence based on demo videos. Also, as we all know, the same sounds can sound different when played on semi-weighted vs. weighted action, or when played by different individuals. Glad I'm not the only one who got that. The upright piano also sounds as bad as it does on the NC2x (especially on the low notes) and the honky tonk just sounds strange on the attack. My hypotesis is that the guts are mostly derived from the Numa Compact with physical modeling added for some sounds and better DSP. That"s what I was getting at with my question. The pianos sound like same old same old overwhelming attack followed by underwhelming tone that every other DP provides (except Dexibell to my ears). I really hope to be wrong. Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GianfrixMG Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 That"s what I was getting at with my question. The pianos sound like same old same old overwhelming attack followed by underwhelming tone that every other DP provides (except Dexibell to my ears). I really hope to be wrong. To be fair the new modeled pianos to me sound really good. It's just some other sounds that are not on that level of quality. There are many advancements here that weren't in the Compact, such as no global reverb, no mastering effect (it works on some sounds and just not on others), attack and release controls for every sound (in the Compacts you only have cutoff and release) and supposedly better DSPs. A hope of mine is also a port of some of these improvements to the NC2 as a firmware upgrade... Quote Yamaha MODX7 | iPad Mini 2 | Raspberry Pi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Sorry, i should have checked the url; try :THIS. He publish sound libraries, notably accordeons, musette and bandneon and other stuff. Thank you,- bookmarked ! His "Vintage Electric" sounds very good to my ears. Would be great to have it in Numa X Piano ! A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjosko Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Saw this in my YouTube feed today. Hard to judge on the EP sounds, since they are baked in with various effects. I like the color system, mixer and rail for accessories on the back, but It looks a bit like a toy. Small display. External power supply [video:youtube] Quote /Bjørn - old gearjunkie, still with lot of GAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 The pianos sound pretty good on the demos The home of Studiologic and Fatar: [video:youtube] Very old town with deep history. A musem with some interesting exhibits: Here On google earth it appears one can see the other great hilltop town of music, Castelfidardo, from Recanati I still love my SL880, that I bought new in 1990ish. I hope someday we will see a weighted 61 Now I need to keep my eyes open for an old EKO guitar Quote RT-3/U-121/Leslie 21H and 760/Saltarelle Nuage/MOXF6/MIDIhub, SL-880/Nektar T4/Numa Cx2/Deepmind12/Virus TI 61/SL61 mk2 Stylophone R8/Behringer RD-8/Proteus 1/MP-7/Zynthian 4 MPC1k/JV1010/Unitor 8/Model D & 2600/WX-5&7/VL70m/DMP-18 Pedals Natal drums/congas etc & misc bowed/plucked/blown instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Didn"t know they"re in Recanati. Love that region, Le Marche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauriziodececco Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 You see the small mountain on the top left, just on the sea ? Follow the coast after the mountain for around 10 Km and you'll find my family house Maurizio Quote Nord Wave 2, Nord Electro 6D 61,, Rameau upright, Hammond Pro44H Melodica. Too many Arturia, NI and AAS plugins http://www.barbogio.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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