Radagast Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Memorymoog EML-101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 An original idea that becomes an original product, built to a high standard of quality. Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I think they"re on their way to the era of big poly synths that also do gigantic monophonic needs. MemoryMoog would work. Don"t need the EML-101 though. Found a mint condition with all original knobs, etc. at a Pawn Shop 15 years ago. Never heard one, never even knew it was made in Long Beach. Got lucky. Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I like when they do a clone and then along the way add features and improvements that players wished for. The Pro 800 looks like it"s going to be like that. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 The collaboration with Vladimir Kuzmin looks interesting, assuming it doesn't fall through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzjazz Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I"d like to see them pay a small royalty to whoever originally designed the synth, or owns the patent. Then I"d feel okay about buying one of their products. I don"t own any yet. Everyone I"ve played feels somewhat cheap and a little nasty. Quote www.dazzjazz.com PhD in Jazz Organ Improvisation. BMus (Hons) Jazz Piano. my YouTube is Jazz Organ Bites 1961 A100.Leslie 45 & 122. MAG P-2 Organ. Kawai K300J. Yamaha CP4. Moog Matriarch. KIWI-8P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Rhodes Chroma Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piano39 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 About ten years ago, the Keyboard forum with the most activity was Harmony Central "Keys Synths and Samplers". I remember posting in a thread that if Behringer could build analog mixers with dozens of pots, switches, etc, for a couple hundred dollars, they could clone a Minimoog for under $500. If I recall, my post didn't get a lot of positive responses. As you know, eventually Behringer did come out with the Model D (I own one and love it). So- you can either blame me or give me credit. OK, Behringer- here's my next challange. Clone a Hammond B-3. Quote Yamaha Motif XF6, Yamaha AN200, Logic Pro X, Arturia Microbrute, Behringer Model D, Yamaha UX-3 Acoustic Piano, assorted homemade synth modules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Fiala Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1. The long-awaited CS-80 clone, with a proper ribbon strip and polyphonic aftertouch like the original. 2. An electromechanical Wurlie. 3. An Elka Synthex 4. +1 on the Rhodes Chroma Really, if you're gonna make duplicates of past synths, choose the most unobtainable, revered synths & keyboards out there! Don't give me copies of low-tier stuff I can find on Reverb with a cut-down keyboard. Quote Tom F. "It is what it is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnDoe Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 About ten years ago, the Keyboard forum with the most activity was Harmony Central "Keys Synths and Samplers". I remember posting in a thread that if Behringer could build analog mixers with dozens of pots, switches, etc, for a couple hundred dollars, they could clone a Minimoog for under $500. If I recall, my post didn't get a lot of positive responses. As you know, eventually Behringer did come out with the Model D (I own one and love it). So- you can either blame me or give me credit. OK, Behringer- here's my next challange. Clone a Hammond B-3. And a new rotarypedal! Quote "This is my rig, and if you don´t like it....well, I have others!" "Think positive...there's always something to complain about!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radagast Posted July 24, 2021 Author Share Posted July 24, 2021 1. The long-awaited CS-80 clone, with a proper ribbon strip and polyphonic aftertouch like the original. 2. An electromechanical Wurlie. 3. An Elka Synthex 4. +1 on the Rhodes Chroma Really, if you're gonna make duplicates of past synths, choose the most unobtainable, revered synths & keyboards out there! Don't give me copies of low-tier stuff I can find on Reverb with a cut-down keyboard. Behringer is already supposed to be doing the CS-80, so I didn"t mention that, but I agree with that being on the list. The EML-101 was not a lower tier synth. It was quite powerful, just not as well known. I"ll amend my original post to say an EML-101 with pitch and mod wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I'd also like to see them tackle a purely electronic B-3/Leslie if they could do it without cloning something that already exists. But that's not their business model, so highly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Fiala Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Didn't see your comment about the EML-101 earlier, when I made my suggestion list, Radagast. Wasn't meaning to imply that it was "lower-tier". No offense, I hope. Quote Tom F. "It is what it is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 EML-101 is a really powerful 4 Oscillator synth w/ MultiMode Filter. It"s duo phonic capability really is unique, especially holding down the root and hitting 5ths or Octaves. It would be a great candidate for a clone due to having the ability to have 2 Sub Oscillators and 2 OSC" s for waveforms. HipHop guys don"t know what their missing as this beast can do 808 style including the kick transient. Definitely a cone killing beast. Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. I'd say their R&D cost, market risk and current workstation market probably doesn't make it worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. Probably never. The only people who want such a thing are guys in their 50s or older. Not enough of a market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felis Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. Probably never. The only people who want such a thing are guys in their 50s or older. Not enough of a market In addition to that, their main focus is on analog stuff. I don't think they have a lot of interest in doing digital keyboards so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Williams Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. (...)The only people who want such a thing are guys in their 50s or older. Not enough of a market Ouch. But probably true. Quote -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 My first synth was an EML-101. I bought it over a Mini because of its extra features, but never loved the basic tone. Listening to old tapes confirms this. I sold it to build my first E-MU out of sub modules, and it sounded far better. Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Since this thread is about 50% fantasy anyway, I'll contribute "Zamaha BX-1." It'll look like the GX-1, but it'll only be a mega-stand for their other gear. It'll be the poor man's version of Geddy Lee's giant keyboard rig. Quote "We're the crash test dummies of the digital age." ~ Kara Swisher, "Burn Book" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. Probably never. The only people who want such a thing are guys in their 50s or older. Not enough of a market This does seem to be a trend. I wonder if they would do a sample synth like the Prophet X. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Copping old analog designs is one thing. Building a large (and often proprietary) library with the flex of the Prophet X's is no small feat. It doesn't jibe with Behringer's cheap-&-fast ethos. Their Wave 'BPG' is about as close to that as I'd expect them to go. Square/saw/pulse/sine is much easier to mold than multiple gigabytes of samples. Quote "We're the crash test dummies of the digital age." ~ Kara Swisher, "Burn Book" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I don"t think Uli is scrounging for development money. He has acquired a lot of IP and attracted a lot of developer talent. A sample library could easily be commissioned or he hires a developer to do in house. The question is if he"s interested. Apparently wave table synthesis and drum machines with sampling are a in their more recent product announcements. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. Probably never. The only people who want such a thing are guys in their 50s or older. Not enough of a market This does seem to be a trend. I wonder if they would do a sample synth like the Prophet X. you mean a keyboard sampler? I'm guessing they'll wait until Akai releases their rumored MPC keyboard, and then decide whether or not to clone that (like they cloned the Arturia Keystep) based on sales numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. Probably never. The only people who want such a thing are guys in their 50s or older. Not enough of a market Big part of Workstation R&D is software development more than hardware and take more design and longer to debug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 How long until they build a flagship - Oasys or Kronos type thing. Probably never. The only people who want such a thing are guys in their 50s or older. Not enough of a market Big part of Workstation R&D is software development more than hardware and take more design and longer to debug. How about the people who hold the purse strings for R&D? Don't you think they need to be convinced to loosen the purse strings first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radagast Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 Didn't see your comment about the EML-101 earlier, when I made my suggestion list, Radagast. Wasn't meaning to imply that it was "lower-tier". No offense, I hope. No worries. I realized it was a little ambiguous and you could have been talking directly about items Behringer has already cloned or are talking about cloning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radagast Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 My first synth was an EML-101. I bought it over a Mini because of its extra features, but never loved the basic tone. Listening to old tapes confirms this. I sold it to build my first E-MU out of sub modules, and it sounded far better. I wonder if that is because Electrocomp used op-amps instead of transistors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 I tend to agree about its tone and using cleaner sounding OpAmps. Since they worked so well on mixers of the era it prolly seemed a wise option. The Behringer MonoPoly sounds very similar, which is why Behringer would likely pass on it though. One thing is certain, Behringer resources and acquisitions makes them a perfect choice to create the Synth of Death once they run out of clones. My guess is somebody is submitting designs for R & D. I"d love to get rid of my PC"s and modules for an all in one synth. Kronos is really a good option for now, but I"m a B3 and Horn Section lover and keyswitched Chris Hein Horns is noticeably better, as is the HX3.5. Guess I"m lazier these days, but still can"t let go of quality sound. Thankfully after years of using Omnisphere and ZebraHZ I can get pretty much everything I need synth wise. I got 10 more years of motivation left, Really want the all in one. Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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