Jump to content


Please note: You can easily log in to MPN using your Facebook account!

MODX 2.0 and MONTAGE 3.0 OS updates


Fleer

Recommended Posts

Montage OS 3.0 available at 10PM EDT 9/22, MODX OS 2.0 available at 10PM EDT 10/24

Includes pattern sequencer, Moog style filter, extended LFO and more:

 

MONTAGE OS Updater V3.00

 

New features:

 

New effect types have been added.

New Performances have been added.

The Pattern Sequencer function has been added.

The Rhythm Pattern function has been added.

You can now play songs, patterns and audio files from the Live Set display.

Super Knob Link has been added to the data that is recorded in the Scene function.

Keyboard Control has been added to the data that is recorded in the Scene function.

Increased the range of the LFO Speed parameter.

You can now connect MIDI equipment via the USB TO DEVICE terminal.

The Global Micro Tuning settings have been added.

The Audition Loop setting has been added.

Improvements have been made to the user interface.

The Note capacity (total area in Store) has been increased from 130,000 to 520,000 (for Songs) and 520,000 (for Patterns).

Link to comment
Share on other sites



  • Replies 48
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Uh-Oh--- I told myself that I wouldn't get a Montage because it didn't have a sequencer. I love the sequencer on my Motif XF. It looks like this takes care of that issue.

Yamaha Motif XF6, Yamaha AN200, Logic Pro X,  Arturia Microbrute, Behringer Model D, Yamaha UX-3 Acoustic Piano, assorted homemade synth modules

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Uh-Oh--- I told myself that I wouldn't get a Montage because it didn't have a sequencer. I love the sequencer on my Motif XF. It looks like this takes care of that issue.

 

Also- it looks like Yamaha is listening to the users.

 

Yamaha Motif XF6, Yamaha AN200, Logic Pro X,  Arturia Microbrute, Behringer Model D, Yamaha UX-3 Acoustic Piano, assorted homemade synth modules

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just had a google for details but can't find any details. Anyone got the info on what's in the updates?

 

 

Here's Yamahasynths info: YamahaSynth MODX/Montage 3

 

Nice call on whoever guessed that the white Montage would be here soon!! :)

 

 

Thanks! It's a pretty substantial update. I won't need most of it but I'm keen to look into the direct USB host midi connection, could solve one conundrum I've been having :thu:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

For me, the most immediately useful addition is that Scenes can now recall Kbd Ctrl settings. I know I've wished for this. Now I have to remember what it was I was trying to do. ;-)

 

USB MIDI Host is a nice surprise... this is now one of the few boards where you can use a USB-only board (like the low-cost Casio and Yamaha slab pianos) and plug it into anon-hammer Montage/MODX to control its pianos from a weighted action. For a long time, only the Kronos supported this, IIRC. (And being based on a traditional computer motherboard, I think Korg would have had to work to prevent this from working, so it was perhaps more a "happy accident" than a design goal.)

 

While there is still no "VA engine," it's interesting that they took some steps in that direction by adding what appears to be modeled Minimoog filter and saturation as effects.

 

Based on my understanding so far, I don't think the MIDI enhancement of permitting a "hybrid" of the Single and Multi MIDI I/O modes is really going to address the complaints people have about Yamaha's fixed part=channel assignment. It looks like it will help in a very specific situation: playing an externally-generated sequence where you want to combine one or more single-part sounds with exactly one multi-part sound... and even then, it's not so suitable for live performance (i.e. playing to a backing track), because the one multi-part sound will also be the one and only sound you can play live from the Yamaha keys at the same time as the sequence is playing. Nor will it address the related common MIDI complaint, the limitations of what you can drive with an external single-zone controller. On one hand, it's good to see that they did anything to address the complaints in the MIDI controllability department, but OTOH, if this was the best they could come up with for this major update, I'm not optimistic about the possibility of seeing this addressed in a more substantial manner. Unless I'm missing something...

 

 

Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wow! I was a little sceptical when I read the initial one sentence announcement blurb. This is a major update. Lots of good stuff.

 

My big want was playing audio files, etc. from Live Set. Can't wait to see the details.

 

I am ecstatic that Yamaha views the Montage and MODX as platforms to be updates and extended. This move will definitely improve their competitive situation!

 

All the best -- pj

 

P.S. sandsoftwaresound.net will be back in action soon. I've been living in a hotel for two months while moving to the left coast. :-)

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being able to play those exquisite grand pianos in the MODX from a hammer controller is quite an update.

That's always been do-able, but now you can use some cheaper/smaller/lighter ones that lack MIDI connectors. There's also still the limitation that, depending on your controller and what you're trying to do, you might be limited to single-part pianos sound, and not the newer multi-part piano sounds. To get around that, you really want your hammer action board to have multi-zone (multiple MIDI channel) capabilities... and once you're looking at those, they probably all have MIDI ports anyway. But especially for live gigging, the single part pianos are often just fine.

 

Does this mean the USB TO DEVICE now sends MIDI? Eg. Could an iPhone be plugged into it via lightening cable and the MODX controls the iPhone?
Hmm. I suspect not, but I'm not sure. It can now receive MIDI from that port, but I'd be surprised if you could route MIDI out to it as well. All I've seen on this feature so far is this:

 

USB MIDI Host

With MONTAGE OS v3.0 and MODX OS v2.0 you can now connect a MIDI controller directly to the USB TO DEVICE Port on the back. This allows you to connect MIDI keyboard controllers, drum pads other alternative controllers with a simple USB MIDI cable.

 

Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being able to play those exquisite grand pianos in the MODX from a hammer controller is quite an update.

That's always been do-able, but now you can use some cheaper/smaller/lighter ones that lack MIDI connectors. There's also still the limitation that, depending on your controller and what you're trying to do, you might be limited to single-part pianos sound, and not the newer multi-part piano sounds. To get around that, you really want your hammer action board to have multi-zone (multiple MIDI channel) capabilities... and once you're looking at those, they probably all have MIDI ports anyway. But especially for live gigging, the single part pianos are often just fine.

 

If your controller send less than 8 separate zones at once (on different channels), and you want to control the awesome piano like Bosendorfer, etc..., just put the MODX in "SINGLE Midi mode.

 

It will then apply your incoming notes to all parts. With your controller just sending on one channel.

 

This, of course requires some other programming on the MODX if you want to bring in strings, etc.. block Volume/expression from all the piano parts, and leave it for just the strings.

 

Where you run into difficulty is when you want to play one sound from the MODX and the other from you controller with MODX in single midi mode, at the same time.

This is why I am mostly using my Roland DS88 that can send on all 16 at once, and leave my MODX in Multi Midi Mode.

 

The MODX parts 9-16 are reserved for external control. With the new update allowing you to remember KEYB Control per Scene. This may be another way. Put your piano sounds on part 9 thru whatever, and simply use scenes

 

I'll be doing some experimenting as soon as the MODX update is released.

 

 

David

Gig Rig:Casio Privia PX-5S | Yamaha MODX+ 6 | MacBook Pro 14" M1| Mainstage

 

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If your controller send less than 8 separate zones at once (on different channels), and you want to control the awesome piano like Bosendorfer, etc..., just put the MODX in "SINGLE Midi mode.

Yes, this is why I included the qualification, "depending on your controller and what you're trying to do." ;-) The limitation of that approach is that if you want to use the keys on the MODX itself to play something else at the same time, the MODX' keys will be limited to playing just a single part (no multi-part single instruments, and no splits or layers of any type unless they're done within one part at the Element level.)

 

Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good textual overview by Synthtopia:

MONTAGE OS v3.0 & MODX OS v2.0

 

Yamaha has announced a major update to both the Montage and MODX firmwares. The update adds major new features and also brings their Montage & MODX keyboards closer together. With the exception of the Montage-only DAW Remote feature, all of the new enhancements found in MONTAGE OS v3.0 are included in MODX OS v2.0.

 

MONTAGE OS v3.0 and MODX OS v2.0 add several new synth engine enhancements and new Performance content:

 

Wave Folder â The new Wave Folder effect increases harmonic content by 'folding back' threshold-exceeding amplitude peaks. Unlike clipping that chops off the top of the wave, the Wave Folder 'folds' the peaks back in. The MONTAGE Wave Folder is available as a Part Insertion Effect (including A/D Input for external instruments and mic input), Variation Effect and Master Effect.

VCM Mini Filter and Mini Booster â The new VCM (Virtual Circuitry Modeling) Mini Filter and Mini Booster are available as Part Insertion, Variation or Master. The VCM Mini Filter is a classic four-pole 24 dB/octave filter. Cutoff, Resonance, Dry/Wet mix, Input Level and Output Level can all be assigned to a Motion Sequence Lane, the Envelope Follower or the physical controls (Super Knob, Assignable Knobs, Modulation Wheel, etc., on MONTAGE and MODX). The VCM Mini Booster is related to the VCM Mini Filter. This boost/EQ effect functions like an EQ and booster, providing a tone shaping and saturation effect

Extended LFO â The Extended LFO brings high-speed modulation to the MONTAGE and MODX. You can use it to generate interesting pitch, filter or amplitude modulation that goes well beyond the slower oscillation of a standard LFO. The high-speed nature creates cool granularity that enhances synth leads, pads, comps, special effect and more. With the standard LFO the Speed parameter range goes from 0-63 (0-42 Hz) for AWM Parts. When the 'Extended LFO' is set to ON, the Speed parameter range extends from 0-415 (0-1356.59 Hz). These higher speeds generate interesting sounds when modulating Pitch, Filter or Amplitude.

Each of these new sound enhancements â Wave Folder, VCM Mini Filter and Mini Booster and Extended LFO â can all be customized for real time control using Motion Control. Assign parameters to the Super Knob, Motion Sequence, Envelope Follower and more and create your own custom set ups.

New Performances â There are 52 new Performances highlighting the new sound additions in MONTAGE OS v3.0 and MODX OS v2.0.

MONTAGE OS v3.0 and MODX OS v2.0 also include new Control enhancements, including an all new Pattern Sequencer.

 

The Pattern Sequencer extends the MONTAGE and MODX Performance Recorder with multitrack loop-based sequence recording. Each Pattern has up to eight Sections and each Section has up to 16 Tracks. During Section recording you can set the length of a track from one to 256 measures long. Each track can be different lengths making for interesting variation. For example, a Section could have a four-measure drum part, an eight-measure bass part and a 32-measure keyboard part and each part will loop according to its section length.

Super Knob Scene Link â Building on the Super Knob Link feature introduced in the previous OS version, this enhancement allows you to save Assignable Knob links to the Super Knob within a Scene. This is great for building arrangements by setting specific Super Knob levels and Assignable Knob links per Scene. You can recall them during Live Performance or in conjunction with the Pattern Sequencer.

Keyboard Control Recall in Scenes â You can now recall Part Keyboard Control (Kbd Ctrl) from a Scene. This allows you to set up which Parts can be played simultaneously. In the example below, Part 1 could be a piano part, Part 2 a string layer, Part 3 a bass split, Part 4 a synth pad and Part 5 a synth comp. Any combination of Parts can now be recalled with a simple scene change. This new feature enhances the way a single Performance can be configured and controlled.

USB MIDI Host â With MONTAGE OS v3.0 and MODX OS v2.0 you can now connect a MIDI controller directly to the USB TO DEVICE Port on the back. This allows you to connect MIDI keyboard controllers, drum pads other alternative controllers with a simple USB MIDI cable.

Hybrid MIDI I/O Mode â As the name suggests, the new Hybrid MIDI I/O Mode is a combination of the Single and Multi MIDI I/O Modes. In this new mode, Parts with KEYBOARD CONTROL 'On' controlled by Global MIDI channel, everything else controlled by the Part channel. This allows you to use cool Multi Part Performances like 'CFX Concert' or 'Seattle Sections' in combination with other Single Parts for additional backing tracks.

Rhythm Pattern (New for MONTAGE â MODX makes adding a drum Part with Arpeggio to a Performance easy. Now that functionality is added to MONTAGE. Just press and hold [sHIFT] then press [CONTROL ASSIGN] and the Rhythm Pattern screen appears for you to select a drum kit along with a corresponding drum Arpeggio.

Global Tuning â For musicians who play music in alternate tunings, Global Tuning allows you to set the entire instrument to a specific tuning. MONTAGE and MODX have always had this feature but only within a Performance. Like Global A/D or Global Tempo â features added in previous OS updates âGlobal Tuning affects the entire instrument when engaged.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here's the same info, in an easier to read format with a lot of helpful visuals...

 

https://www.yamahasynth.com/montage-category/introducing-montage-white-and-os-v3-0

 

 

Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Interesting point I read on the MODX (6 or 7) keys in this or another forum. Apparently each A note key is a tiny bit higher than the other keys. Probably due to the keybed construction. Nothing to worry about, as it"s ever so little, and other keyboards I have show a similar yet more erratic difference in key height.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Interesting point I read on the MODX (6 or 7) keys in this or another forum. Apparently each A note key is a tiny bit higher than the other keys. Probably due to the keybed construction. Nothing to worry about, as it"s ever so little, and other keyboards I have show a similar yet more erratic difference in key height.

 

huh, i hadnt noticed. i'll have to check this on my 7 ... i'm not the most observant and have never been as hyper-critical of keys "feel" as many are. it plays great for me, i press keys and it sounds great - yup, its great.

The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah, I haven't noticed that.

 

I do need to go in and make a lot of the patches I use less dynamic...for live use, with the combo of my fingers + that keybed at least, I'm having a hard time controlling volume on many patches.

Hit softly...can barely hear anything.

Hit a little harder, it's a little louder.

Hit pretty hard, but not that much harder than before: REALLY, REALLY LOUD! Piano and strings are the main ones I've been having issues with.

 

Velocity curves, or a low limit on velocities (not a threshold to avoid playing the sound, but more of a "change to say 80 if it's any lower than 80--if this is possible) is what I'll first look at.

 

By contrast, I had more control when using my Virus or my Pc361--but those are top-of-the-line keybeds, plus different programming.

 

----

 

Speaking of midi in via usb--is there any chance something like a Korg nanoKontrol would actually work with the Modx? It's unpowered. Man, being able to use all those controls (provided I could map them, not sure what they send out) would be awesome. I'm guessing this wouldn't work. I use it now with Logic Pro to control transport controls and synth parameters.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...