nursers Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Is this thing available for sale yet? I don't really need it, but I kind of want it. Shipping in January, according to my friend at Radial. Thanks Sven, my fingers are now crossed Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Is this thing available for sale yet? I don't really need it, but I kind of want it. Shipping in January, according to my friend at Radial. Thanks Sven, my fingers are now crossed As are mine! Of course, it bears mentioning that Radial is one of those companies that will delay a product launch if they think something needs tweaking/improving, rather than punting something out the door early to meet a "deadline". Case in point, the original Key Largo, was repeatedly delayed while they tweaked a lot of things on it. I'm hopeful that won't be the case this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losendoskeys Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 This may not be news to everyone but is to me - some of the online retailers are listing pricing for the KL-8 e.g. https://8thstreet.com/Product/Get/78656/radial-kl-8-rackmount-keyboard-mixer - Street price of $699, retail of $750. With exchange rate that probably prices me out Would this work for you? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ST0FK12/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Quote Yamaha CP70B;Roland XP30/AXSynth/Fantom/FA76/XR;Hammond XK3C SK2; Korg Kronos 73;ProSoloist Rack+; ARP ProSoloist; Mellotron M4000D; GEM Promega2; Hohner Pianet N, Roland V-Grand,Voyager XL, RMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 This may not be news to everyone but is to me - some of the online retailers are listing pricing for the KL-8 e.g. https://8thstreet.com/Product/Get/78656/radial-kl-8-rackmount-keyboard-mixer - Street price of $699, retail of $750. With exchange rate that probably prices me out Would this work for you? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00ST0FK12/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Interesting and thanks as always, will check it out! Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Noticed on Facebook today that the KL-8 is now shipping... Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Does anyone have one of these yet? I still see "pre order" links when I check a few of the major music retailers. Not clear if/when it is shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJR Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I noticed in late January, GC said shipping around 2-13, but now it says 3-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Down here I'm told April at earliest. I've pretty much written off buying one given cost and wanting the PreSonus USB-C unit. Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Down here I'm told April at earliest. I've pretty much written off buying one given cost and wanting the PreSonus USB-C unit. Better than buying one that fails to meet yours (or Radial's) expectations and returning it and bad-mouthing it online*. At least that's how I choose to see this. * - not you, specifically, but the general public bad-mouthing it. I don't think you're the type to engage in that sort of thing, but there sure are a lot of people like that out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Gotcha - yeah I don't doubt the mixer itself will be top notch. I own a Key Largo and was definitely looking at upgrading to the KL-8, but the exchange rate has killed that as an option for me sadly. Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Yeah, it's gotta be tough down under. Being in Canada we feel some of that as well, but not nearly as bad as you guys have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 If only venues would pay me in US dollars Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 If only venues would pay me in US dollars Now THAT would be nice! Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 I know its going to sell because anyone owning Radial gear knows the quality they make. If I were using VSTi and Software Samplers Id jump on this just for the added punch to mushy software. Im holding out for another Tube Mixer from Radial. The 1U Space Heater I bought is fantastic, but breed that with the KL-8. That Dogll Hunt. Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Had an email from local distributor down here saying they have access to stock, so these babies are starting to appear in the wild.... Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJR Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Fedex says mine will be here tomorrow, so looking forward to finally meeting it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Fedex says mine will be here tomorrow, so looking forward to finally meeting it! Would love your thoughts on it once you receive it and have had a play Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I saw Man-Man Philly (John Legend's MD) post about it on Instagram a week or two ago, sounded like he had one (maybe even two) already. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJR Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Spent a few hours with it this afternoon. It pretty much works as advertised. Its completely silent but I'm just in my living room. The true test will be out on gigs. I've used Radial DI's for a long time so if its anything like their past products, it should be good. Also, like their other products I've used, it seems built like a tank, very good quality/feel knobs, buttons, connectors. A little info: I currently use a dell XPS laptop running Win10, GigPerformer, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Pianoteq, Keyscape, VB3II, and have a MOTU Ultralite mk4 interface (256/44.1k). So thats all i have to compare the usb interface. I will use the motu for recording and the KL for live/gigs. Getting it working in GigPerformer was a little clunky at first. The website says to get ASIO4ALL to configure the settings for the keylargo, Which seemed to use the same driver? After messing with it for a bit, it is now working. Using GP's latency checker, it reported about 36ms roundtrip latency as compared to about 29ms with the MOTU. It supposedly sends audio out of the interface and measures the roundtrip time that it's received. While playing, I don't perceive any latency as compared to the motu. However, I do find it easier to 'stress' the KL. This is just my own preference to see how far i can push an interface and what happens when I do. I use couple of Omnisphere/keyscape patches, that when sustaining multiple eighth-notes will eventually cause clicks/pops etc. The KL starts dropping out when the CPU starts to max out, where the motu clicks/pops excessively. The KL will get to this stressed point much quicker than the motu. I realize this isn't very scientific. Its just for my own reference/info, so take it for what its worth. I assume this difference is due to the Motu having better drivers and written specifically for their hardware? Also, I realize Radial's wheelhouse is excellent audio and they are new in the computer/interface area. Having said all that.. for the rest of the afternoon I used it in a 'normal' (not stressed) way. I setup multiple racks in GP, using a combination of different vst's in more 'musical' ways. I had no issues with the KL, using it for about 3 hours. I appreciate that it's a quality mixer that can assign an input to JUST the headphone/monitor, 2 transformer isolated DI's for Main/Mon, audio interface (actually, 2), all wrapped up in a 1u rack mountable package. For me, the only thing it lacks is a power switch (it doesn't have one), but that's a minor thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Thanks FJR for the great run-down on your experiences! Looking forward to hearing how you find it performs gig-wise Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Using GP's latency checker, it reported about 36ms roundtrip latency as compared to about 29ms with the MOTU. Do you really mean 36ms (29ms) or is there a dot missing between numbers ? A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKey Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Do you really mean 36ms (29ms) or is there a dot missing between numbers ? A.C. Curious too. Motu is reportedly in the 3-4ms typical with best case (powerful computer) hitting 1.3ms round trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJR Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Do you really mean 36ms (29ms) or is there a dot missing between numbers ? A.C. Curious too. Motu is reportedly in the 3-4ms typical with best case (powerful computer) hitting 1.3ms round trip. I'm not sure about the details of this measurement, but this is done with my laptop - good performance, but not anywhere near a great desktop. Also I have the buffer at 256 samples. If I set them much lower I can get better specs, but I like having a safety margin. And, this is roundtrip from the SW -> interface out -> through a cable -> into an input back to the interface -> software. I put that info in there just to show the difference, not sure its a completely accurate representation. Playing, I don't feel any latency, so not sure?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJR Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Do you really mean 36ms (29ms) or is there a dot missing between numbers ? A.C. Curious too. Motu is reportedly in the 3-4ms typical with best case (powerful computer) hitting 1.3ms round trip. I'm not sure about the details of this measurement, but this is done with my laptop - good performance, but not anywhere near a great desktop. Also I have the buffer at 256 samples. If I set them much lower I can get better specs, but I like having a safety margin. And, this is roundtrip from the SW -> interface out -> through a cable -> into an input back to the interface -> software. I put that info in there just to show the difference, not sure its a completely accurate representation. Playing, I don't feel any latency, so not sure?? also, currently not home so cant check, but if I remember correctly the general latency reported by the motu inferface, in its software, was sub 10ms.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Ive been running 6 msec. / 256 @ 44.1k even though I have .07 msec. / 64 / @ 48k available. I cant hear a difference even though Latency Mon tells me I suck. But as Radial customer with the 1U Space Heater, Key Largo, Rackmounted Pro DI, Id rather stick with PCI-e 1X if I used the new Rack. As of right now I decided to run all ASIO from PC into the Key Largo, then HX-3 and SE-02 in the other channels. Ive got nice AKM DACs and usuallyroute my hardware into the PC, spit everything out to stereo cabs and a sub. Reason I used Largo is because it gives my ASIO Signals a much better focus and round bottom end. I might end up getting this for when I add a Code 8 or Solaris. ZebraHZ sounds so good Id rather use that for these small gigs. Absolutely love Radial though. I wont need the USB Ports, they sound like they could get upgraded with better drivers in the future. Pretty sure thats why they delayed releasing the mixer. No reason Radial would be late delivering when theyve already got some impressive audio specs. Anxious Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Ok I had my first gig with the KL-8 last night, and am happy to report it went great. Was as solid as a rock, I only had one issue that is on me, not the KL-8: I used the headphone port to connect my IEMS, but it was useless as I couldn't get enough volume through them. I'm assuming it's to do with the impedance of the IEMs (they are Westone AM30s). So for the first set I could barely hear myself, just got the FOH guy to give me more keys in the FOH feed I had coming in through the Aux Receive. Overall - love reducing from a Ley Largo plus Mixer to just the KL-8 http://i.imgur.com/1UhTb3qh.jpg Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niacin Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Ok I had my first gig with the KL-8 last night, and am happy to report it went great. Was as solid as a rock, I only had one issue that is on me, not the KL-8: I used the headphone port to connect my IEMS, but it was useless as I couldn't get enough volume through them. I'm assuming it's to do with the impedance of the IEMs (they are Westone AM30s). So for the first set I could barely hear myself, just got the FOH guy to give me more keys in the FOH feed I had coming in through the Aux Receive. Overall - love reducing from a Ley Largo plus Mixer to just the KL-8 Can I ask where you got it? I'm seeing a lot of on backorder or no in-store stock on Australian websites. Quote Gig keys: Hammond SKpro, Korg Vox Continental, Crumar Mojo 61, Crumar Mojo Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Swamp Industries mate - I had asked them right back in January so I think I was lucky to get one of the early orders Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Nursers, are you running a monitor feed from the rest of the band to the aux in? I see in the manual that you are able to send the aux channels only to monitor and headphones. Now I know this, im a bit gassing for this thing. I now have three mixers on my pedalboard, but this thing might solve it by its own. Quote Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Nursers, are you running a monitor feed from the rest of the band to the aux in? I see in the manual that you are able to send the aux channels only to monitor and headphones. Now I know this, im a bit gassing for this thing. I now have three mixers on my pedalboard, but this thing might solve it by its own. Yep that's exactly right - I get a FOH mix into the Aux return and there's a switch on top of the unit that allows you to send that only to monitor and headphones Huge credit to Radial as well - I contacted them about how little I'm getting through my IEMS and they've replied quickly saying that the inidividual channel volumes need to bbe higher and pull back master volume and things should be better. We shall see. Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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