EmptinesOf Youth Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 hey everyone, its been awhile, but i hope everyones well. anyway to my question... i have a Pro Jr. right now, which i like for the studio but its not quite loud enough for gigs so do you think one of the two amps i suggested would be a good move up? just curious on your thoughts before i go and try to find a store that has them...thanks ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicalhair Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 Rivera Fandango 55W 2 12 is versatile and great sounding amp, and is a big step up in terms of power from the the Pro Jr. I don't know that the Blues Jr is such a big step up and I would hate for you to post three months from now that you need a bigger amp again. 55W is huge by my estimation, I can't imagine using a 100W amp or bigger. I'm scaling back to smaller amps for almost everything and using my 55W amps when the artillery is ever needed. For me the Blues Jr was a reasonable step down for practice and bringing out most of the time, the Ampeg Jet J-12-T I just got serves the same purpose, and I can hook up the Lexicon Vortex to both-- and goof around with a clean amp and a dirty amp like Keith Richards does, and have Fender voice and a "class A" voiced amp all withough throwing out my forty year old back. Of the two you list I'd think the Hot Rod Deluxe is the better choice: 40W's and the extension speaker out being the biggest reasons. 40 Watts should be enough, but I'm sure there are those that don't agree-- I've jammed with more guys addicted to 100W than anything else. check out some comedy I've done: http://louhasspoken.tumblr.com/ My Unitarian Jihad Name: Brother Broadsword of Enlightened Compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptinesOf Youth Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 i think should have netioned if there suggestions try to keep it in the 500 dollar range....sorry bout that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMcGuitar Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I haven't played the Pro Jr. or the Blues Jr., so I can't really give you a "comparison". I use a Hot Rod Deluxe, and I love it. My band does blues and classic rock (primarily), and it is a great amp for this. It is more than loud enough for bar gigs (etc.) - at our last gig (about 200 people in a bar) I never turned it up over 3.5. Granted, we are not the kind of band to blow the walls off of a place, but we aren't quiet either. I tend to use the clean channel most of the time, and occasionally switch to the drive channel when I need extra crunch. I use a couple of pedals (TS-7, Blues Driver, CE-5 chorus and an old King wah), and I can get every tone I need out of it. It's got a nice warm sound with a fairly clean high-end - it's got definition without being shrill, and it doesn't get muddy. The reverb on it is good for what I need it for (if you are doing a lot of Dick Dale or something, it's not going to be what you're looking for). Definitely give one a try! May all your thoughts be random! - Neil www.McFaddenArts.com www.MikesGarageRocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 You can run it into a 4X12 cab and get more volume from the additional speakers. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptinesOf Youth Posted March 12, 2005 Author Share Posted March 12, 2005 hows the overdrive on the actual amps overdrive neil? i have good pedals but would rather use the amps distortion. i play a lot of classic rock mixed with a little physchadelic rock, would this work well? thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.WOW Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 I have a BluesJr. and it RAWKS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Oh, the blues junior is the same wattage as the pro. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 a good alternative to a hot rod deluxe is the Traynor YCV 40wr with the celestion vintage 30 speaker. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=193274 rock it, i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlesbad Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Originally posted by Geetar zan: a good alternative to a hot rod deluxe is the Traynor YCV 40wr with the celestion vintage 30 speaker. Dang, you beat me to it. Traynor's 50 watter, which I have, doesn't cost much more, and it's an excellent amp. I also have to say I was very impressed with the Peavey classics I tried. National Capital Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar55 Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Originally posted by musicalhair: Rivera Fandango 55W 2 12 is versatile and great sounding amp, and is a big step up in terms of power from the the Pro Jr. Sort of like going from a Hyundai to a Mercedes :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicalhair Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Hey Guitar55, I like that, but if you want to drive which would you want to drive. Of his choices I'd say the Hot Rod Deluxe, but I don't know the Traynor so that might be a better choice, and a lot of guys like the Peavey amps. If I had much cash to spend on "big" I'd be lookinga to a Vox AC-30 or the Rivera Duanne Eddy Sig amp, or one of the Fender Reissues (BM, Virbo-thingy, Ceasar Diaz thingy etc), or the Marshall reissue that is sorta like the amp Hendrix used (but the 50W version), or an old Fender Dual Showman head. check out some comedy I've done: http://louhasspoken.tumblr.com/ My Unitarian Jihad Name: Brother Broadsword of Enlightened Compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMcGuitar Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 Originally posted by EmptinessOFYouth: hows the overdrive on the actual amps overdrive neil? i have good pedals but would rather use the amps distortion. i play a lot of classic rock mixed with a little physchadelic rock, would this work well? thanks again It'll give you a good classic rock/blues overdrive. You won't get balls-to-the-wall, Marshall kinds of distortion out of it. It's got a nice, fat, crunchy overdrive that can go pretty far into high-gain type distortion. I find it tends to be fairly warm, and not "buzzy" at all. That help any? May all your thoughts be random! - Neil www.McFaddenArts.com www.MikesGarageRocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptinesOf Youth Posted March 13, 2005 Author Share Posted March 13, 2005 yea it was but now im lookin at the peavey classics a little, can anyone compare the loudness of its 30 watts to the pro jr.'s 15? would it be twice as loud? gonna try to find a dealer with a classic 30 and 50 around here give em a try. thanks to all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 It is said that you have to double the wattage to get a 3db gain (the lowest noticeable increase that a ear can hear). I may be remembering this incorrectly. The same gain can be had by adding another speaker. Again if I am remembering correctly. Here is a good explation! So like I said earler in the thread. You might just want to get a 4X12" cab as that may give you the extra volume you need and plug the pro into that. Make sure that it is 8ohm. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptinesOf Youth Posted March 13, 2005 Author Share Posted March 13, 2005 yea i considered that but a foot switch would be nice for shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 G.T.H.M.P. got to have more pedals. hehe I found that I got away fine at shows with the pro. I have a slightly grity clean sound. It never got past 4.25 and was ask to turn down sometimes. It was nice to carry such a small amp. I just mic'ed up for larger shows. It was loud enough at the State Fair and that was outside. That site I linked to is kinda cool. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptinesOf Youth Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 oh and sorry i didnt see the link before, it blends pretty well with the text, but there is some good info there, along with pedal schematics which i hope to try out once i get a little better in the electrician area. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phig Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I bought a Blues jr. just this Saturday.It has one of the best clean sounds I have heard.It really brings out the best in your playing.I have been trying to coax a good clean sound out of a Carvin Nomad for years now.After extensive mods and tube changes I gave up.The jr.sounds and feels right.There is absolutely no question in my mind. I dont think I could gig with it.In a big place with a loud drummer I am certain it would not be punchy enough.In my music room its chime heaven,and gets really loud. I had a hot rod deluxe and blew the transformer.I sold it and wish I wouldnt have.To hear the hot rod live in studio click on url below.(listen to "Fallen"the first 20 seconds or so is the other guitar player you WILL know when the hot rod kicks in belive me.)The hot rod with ext cab can handle any gig you could throw at it. The jr in my opinion does not sound good dirty. That is fine cause a good clean sound in my experiance is so very hard to get.Get a decent distortion pedal with true bypass and you have got your distorted sound.I will shut up now. web pagewww.soundclick.com/bands/5/davemusselmanmusic.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I don't think you can replicate the down and dirty tone the Blues Jr can give you for the price. You can ALWAYS spend more to get a perceived tone and consequently justify/defend it just because! Bang for buck, the little Pro Jr and Blues Jr. are hard as hell to beat. I can give you a link of my old band live (not a great recording but a good representation of what they sound like turned up) if you want! Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesswing Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 Originally posted by EmptinessOFYouth: hey everyone, its been awhile, but i hope everyones well. anyway to my question... i have a Pro Jr. right now, which i like for the studio but its not quite loud enough for gigs so do you think one of the two amps i suggested would be a good move up? just curious on your thoughts before i go and try to find a store that has them...thanks ryan I was in a similar situation two months ago, I tested my friend's Blues Jr and while the sound was great, the volume level was even lower than my Laney LC15's through its 10" speaker. I bought Peavey Classic 30 that is significantly louder than Blues Jr and Classis's clean channel is great! Dirty channel has less bottom end but by modifying its circuit with couple of new cap values will correct that. Classic 30 costs about the same as Blues Jr too. I paid $200 + four sets of strings for it used and and I am very happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I always find it strange that folks think the Pro Jr isn't loud enough. I'm thinking they must be playing arena's! For a pub, if it ain't loud enough, you're @#$%ing band is too #$%@ing loud! Don't get me wrong I like loud, but loud enough. I used to play out with a Pro Jr and a Blues Jr with a Morley switcher. The sound was huge and loud, especially when miked. Even a rockin loud drummer couldn't keep up with what the amps could coax. I suspect another bandmate plays loud....real loud. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I use my old solid-state Peavey Studio Chorus 210. Stereo, 35W per channel, and it keeps up just fine. I'll probably have to don the Asbestos suit for saying this, but I think I'd rather have one of either Peavey or Crate's solid state amps before I bought another Delta Blues or a Classic 30! I want to check out Kustom's new tube amps. The above mentioned Ampeg Jet is a good amp, but probably too low in volume to satisfy you. (although it works great cause you can crank it up without getting way too loud! ) Marshall makes the DSL-40, which might be a good choice. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesswing Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Originally posted by Geenard: I always find it strange that folks think the Pro Jr isn't loud enough. I'm thinking they must be playing arena's! For a pub, if it ain't loud enough, you're @#$%ing band is too #$%@ing loud! Don't get me wrong I like loud, but loud enough. I used to play out with a Pro Jr and a Blues Jr with a Morley switcher. The sound was huge and loud, especially when miked. Even a rockin loud drummer couldn't keep up with what the amps could coax. I suspect another bandmate plays loud....real loud. Geenard FYI, I was using my 15W laney tube amp as my main amp for a long time, it was enough watts for small and mid size club gig too without miking. Will continue to use it but for sligthly bigger clubs with no miking Classic 30 works little better with its higher volume cleans. Both of those are great amps but purchase desicion depends on which size of places you are going to use the amp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleCarlos Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Well, I just opened up my new Peavey Classic!!! Wohooo! It even came with a rain coat! Well, it's an amp, plug it with my pedals and off I played. Sounds, as any nice guitar amp would. It's pretty, kind of girly in its tweed dressing. Matches with my strap. I like it. Blue, make a run for it, we're gonna getcha! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmptinesOf Youth Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 yea, i miss the clean at loud volumes which just isnt possible with the pro junior without a cab, and even then....thats the biggest problem i see, plus a new amp is always fun right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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