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Juan Caca

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sorry about the size!!!

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/za_miequipo_LP00.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/za_miequipo_LP01.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/za_miequipo_LP02.jpg

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Diablos, esta bellamente destruida :D

 

Where is the serial number?

 

We can make a deal, maybe a trade, I'll give you my 69 Fender Stratocaster (not reissue) and you send me that LP with Gus, when he's coming to Costa Rica in three weeks. I'll send you back the FS.

 

I'm serious.

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Looks like a 70s hack job. Looks like it was a Custom. Newer pickups, questionable switch added between the pots, new truss rod cover plate, all sorts of mods. Looks to me as if the face of the headstock was painted gold and they tried to 'color around the lines' around the original Gibson and LP logos. The rear headstock photo glare shows orange peel in the finish, something that never would have passed Gibson quality control, so I'd say this guitar was stripped and refinished. I'm guessing that all of the gold stuff was added, probably in the 70s. New pickup rings, new pickups, new switch ring, new switch knob, replacement tuners...

 

I don't know the full Les Paul line, as there have been so many over the years and there are only a couple of them that interest me. I'd have thought that it was a Custom because of the front and back binding. But I believe that the Custom has that fancy mother of plastic art deco thing in the middle of the headstock. I also don't know about the face.... it is a nicer piece of wood than one would generally find under a painted guitar. (When I had my 57 gold top refinished, we found the top to be three pieces of wood.)

 

It is possible to have the guitar re-capped. A lot of work, but looking at the wooden strips inserted behind the tuners, whomever did this might have gone that far.

 

Which also brings up the possibility of the rear binding being an addition.

 

No answers, just more questions. Sorry.

 

Bill

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I'm gonna say late 70's early 80's Custom, I don't believe they all had the flower pot or whatever in the headstock. The pickups are probably replacements, but they may be the originals with the covers taken off and rewiring for the coil tap. I am guessing the tuners aren't original, and the wood strips under them surely aren't. It's possible that they are even the third set to be oput on the guitar, and whoever installed the second set cobbled up the headstock so bad the owner decided to strip it.

 

Looks like a fixer-upper to me, but even it's probably worth two or three grand as it sits.

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Looks like a 80's Travesty standard, a few of

these were made at the Hellen Keller school

for the blind.This was special dip model.They

would hand dip these guitars,tuning machines

strings and all in a dark stain.You got yourself

a keeper son. :thu:

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This just gets more interesting now doesn't it.

 

Gibson did make special guitars for a number of music shops as special orders that were non-standard configurations. I thought from how much you aged that this was newer than it shows here so what I thought was out to lunch entirely :freak: not to mention that those were not numbers inside but indications of what year the copy was of.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/pek63/mystery.jpg

 

No volute, uniform binding and a strange script style for what should (I think in all cases be one of those split diamonds) Some early 70's serial numbers were stickers / transfers and it would easily vanish with time and use.

 

Strange one indeed and something worth sending off to George Gruhn for proper authentication. It's like $25 for a real work up on it.

 

... she's had a pile of music played through her by the shape she's in!

 

Thanx for posting the pictures. You did a great job capturing her in all her glory :thu:

I still think guitars are like shoes, but louder.

 

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If it really is a Gibson, it's definitely not an "off the rack" model.

 

Strange combination of LP Standard (neck in-lays, head stock, finish) and LP Custom (binding on top & back of body) features.

 

Whatever it is, looks like it would be worthwhile to fix it up a bit to make it into a reall player.

 

I love funky guitars like this. :thu:

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So, how does she play and sound?

 

Do you like this guitar, as a player-instrument?

 

Do you think that some TLC and set-up trial-and-error could enhance its playability and tone, to your personal liking?

 

If so, and if "the price is right", whether or not it's all-original (or even some kind of attemoted fraud at one time), it could still be a great guitar. It's obviously got some unique history!

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Looking at this I don't think this is a Gibson. The more I look at it it reminds me of an Electra Les Paul. You can even see the faded Electra peace sign style logo on the scratch guard. Also the pickups look just like the Electra PU's with the larger than normal magnets. Also something very weird about the back of that headstock, the strips of newer wood under the machine heads is very strange. Also the "Les Paul" decal looks as if it was an after market attach job, probably after refinishing it in that color. I also don't see the serial number on the back of the headstock.
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Originally posted by dougsthang':

Looking at this I don't think this is a Gibson. The more I look at it it reminds me of an Electra Les Paul. You can even see the faded Electra peace sign style logo on the scratch guard. Also the pickups look just like the Electra PU's with the larger than normal magnets. Also something very weird about the back of that headstock, the strips of newer wood under the machine heads is very strange. Also the "Les Paul" decal looks as if it was an after market attach job, probably after refinishing it in that color. I also don't see the serial number on the back of the headstock.

It may or may not be a Gibson, who know. Some of the best counterfits are perfect copies. I see what you mean about the pick guard, but didn't the Electra have a swoop headstock? And to me, it looks as though the paint is around the logos, as if the logos are on a lower level. Do you see that, too?

 

Yeah, like I said, the orage peel finish shows that the back of the neck has been resprayed.

 

Bill

"I believe that entertainment can aspire to be art, and can become art, but if you set out to make art you're an idiot."

 

Steve Martin

 

Show business: we're all here because we're not all there.

 

 

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You are correct about the later Electra headstocks but the first models (mid 70's) had the Gibson style headstock, St. Louis Music was brought to lawsuit by Norlen to cease this design thus the headstock change.

 

The other thing that makes me think that this isn't a Gibson is the double binding on the body. I seem to reacll that only the Custom model had double inlay binding. The Standard and the Deluxe only had binding on the top of the body. Also most Custom models had a bound neck and headstock, this has neither.

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this "thing" sound pretty good.. but the electronics are almost destroyed, one tone pot put down the volume.. other cuts just a little treble.. the volume of PUs are to disbalanced () and the fretts are so m damaged...

 

*** the brand in the headstock i s incrustation! has a little scratch and it about 1mm under the level of headstock.. i smade with strange silver traslucent plastic -or something- material with golden.. recentrly i put here in the forum "looks like watermark, not incrustation, but is under the transparent finish (like fender marks) and say "gibson" "les paul" "model"" ---- SORRY ABOUT THAT now i know is a mistake!...

 

*** impossible to know if the serial are in the cavity becasue thereare heavy shielding of aluminium, custom made i think..

 

*** all the electronics seems to be modified, the micro switch is not wired to nothing, several isolating tape in the wires, the bridge pickup are jackson, and in the one of the neck nomark-nologo-nonothing, but is pretty old.. the corners of the plastic cover are wasted to the bone! ok.. to the wire

 

***the original bridge are gotoh like-titanic-old, i replaceit with a new one, but i had to put customized stainless steel post, because dont fit the new!

 

***y put these logo in the pickguard cause i had to sand-wash-scratch and finally cover a ugly sticker of a orange palm in green beach...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/rubilogo.jpg

 

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alner! sorry no la vendo... de hecho me la estan vendiendo a mi!!! pero si, esta destruida! el dueño me platico que aparte de el super-uso que tiene... recientemente estallo una linea de agua en su casa y que la rescato de un gran charco, del cual no salio viva la case, (era com en color negro con peluchito azul electrico adentro..con la forma d ela lira) ...pero debajo de todo ese daño se ve una bonita pieza de madera; ..de hecho viendo la cavidad de las pastillas, se ve la pieza completa de caoba rojita debajo de la otra ¿arce? ...me sorprendio el tono que saca.. muy muy gordito... a pesar de todos los daños.. pero estoy pensando tirar TODO lo electronico y ponerle de nuevo todo.. que opinas...? que hare con ese mini switch en desuso? es que dde gibson y similares si no se gran cosa!

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is it me or does the stop tail look too close to the tune o matic? and the tune o matic doesn't look like it is at the angle of most LP's. it looks straight when compared to the bridge pickup. i would guess that would not be something that would change from model to model.
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Not sure about the tailpiece but the knock-off I have has the tailpiece about a half a knob farther to the rear and the bridge is at an angle.

 

The other thing I see, and I'm comparing to my knock-off is the knob spacing. Mine would have trouble getting that mini toggle in there an having the room to flip it without a good chance of bumping one of the knobs.

 

I gotta get with my buddy who has a LP & double check but if I remember right his is laid out much like mine is.

 

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Originally posted by Juan Caca:

alner! sorry no la vendo... de hecho me la estan vendiendo a mi!!! pero si, esta destruida! el dueño me platico que aparte de el super-uso que tiene... recientemente estallo una linea de agua en su casa y que la rescato de un gran charco, del cual no salio viva la case, (era com en color negro con peluchito azul electrico adentro..con la forma d ela lira) ...pero debajo de todo ese daño se ve una bonita pieza de madera; ..de hecho viendo la cavidad de las pastillas, se ve la pieza completa de caoba rojita debajo de la otra ¿arce? ...me sorprendio el tono que saca.. muy muy gordito... a pesar de todos los daños.. pero estoy pensando tirar TODO lo electronico y ponerle de nuevo todo.. que opinas...? que hare con ese mini switch en desuso? es que dde gibson y similares si no se gran cosa!

No pierdas mucho tiempo y comprala ya ¡¡¡¡

 

El flame top es excelente, si el acabado no es original y tienes un buen luthier entonces puedes

quitar ese barniz, arreglar los electrónicos, colocas correctamente el puente y si el tipo sabe, puedes rellenar el hueco de donde quites el puente mal colocado y de donde elimines el switch. Con un nuevo acabado traslúcido y el binding reparado se verá excepcional.

 

Si no eliminas el mini-toggle entonces usa la pastilla trasera para seleccionar serie paralelo o un desfase. Pero no creo que valga la pena.

 

Me parece un excelente proyecto de restauración :thu:

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thanks all of you!... now im gonna share some more pics of "frankenstein"??... and please let me know what u think...... someone got the schematic of the original gibson wiring??

 

thanks in advice...

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/LesPaul01.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/LesPaul02.jpg

 

look at those wasted frets!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/LesPaul03.jpg

Jorge Carrera... Todólogo.

http://www.angelfire.com/ri/granazul

 

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2 more... after some little polish ....

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/LesPaul04.jpg

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/cavj76/Les%20Paul/LesPaul07.jpg

 

a 19 years old guy is selling me this piece in about 75USD :eek: ... because he wants one jackson axe... :freak: what d u guys think...? :D

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gracias gato! si, a mi tambien me parece un muy buen proyecto de restauracion (aunque por alguna razon me gusta mucho como se ve asi de destruida...) por ahora lo realmente urgente serian los trastes... aunq aqui en provincia no conozco ningun luthier competente... ahh y los materiales no se consiguen!! saludos!!

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Ya ... I'd have to say after looking through all kinds of descriptions of wood and binding combinations I'm lost in the confusion this presents.

 

$75 hmmmm.. it's likely worth this much in parts and if you picked it up and sold off the parts on eBay calling them what they are (stuff from a Les Paul copy) you'd likely double or triple your money.

 

Just be honest about what you can verify that's all. Those are vintage parts regardless of what they're on. tuners, bridge setup, pickups, wiring harness with pots included, body.. yep I'd bet you clear $250 for it.

I still think guitars are like shoes, but louder.

 

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yep zan! this Les Fake, or Les Paul sounds f6$%&/ well...

i did minucious inspection, tests (for 5 days to now :D ) and dont have any critical damage...

 

this kid play on a trash band... the shape of the lp is not cool to them!! plus, fret buzz= death guitar to him!! "ahhh... juventud, divino tesoro" :D

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