Stop posting hideously inappropriate things

[Adamixoye]

I was already thinking of posting this, but two threads near the top of the page put me over the edge. I post this at the risk of being called a puritanical nazi by some of you.

 

Here is my request. Decide for yourself if you would like to adhere to it. Please do not have as your avatar or post any graemlins or photos of the following:

• gratuitous violence
  
• women with abnormally large cup sizes
  
• women who are less than fully clothed
  

I'm not trying to pick on anyone, so I'm not going to name names, but you know who you are...there are a few people that I particularly have in mind who are the worst offenders. I am not trying to single you out, I am only asking you to stop.

I only read the Guitar Forum and LDLD, but these pictures are things I deem offensive and is seriously hurting my enjoyment of these forums. In the last couple of months the Guitar Forum has taken a nosedive in terms of these types of juvenile posts.

 

In particular, one of the two threads I mentioned above contains a title that in no way indicates the potentially offensive content. The other thread at least had the decency to give accurate information in the title and then the initial post only contained a link instead of in-your-face pictures.

[tiger85]

Edited for the good of mankind.

[Darklava]

Wow what a kill joy.

[Guitarzan]

you behave young man

http://www.ecn.org/sc.pol.occup-fi/graf/old_lady.gif

[Reverse the Curse]

hemm...

 

I'm split on the issue. On one hand, I do believe that I, along with many people here, am mature enough to handle the posts. On the other, I do see where you are coming from.

 

Perhaps a comprimise? These "iffy" topics are allowed but we should come up with something in the title to warn of their content (similar to OT for off topic). What do you think?

[tiger85]

Originally posted by Cooper:

hemm...

 

I'm split on the issue. On one hand, I do believe that I, along with many people here, am mature enough to handle the posts. On the other, I do see where you are coming from.

 

Perhaps a comprimise? These "iffy" topics are allowed but we should come up with something in the title to warn of their content (similar to OT for off topic). What do you think?

Cooper, you stated that well. If it offends some, let there be something in the topic title that warns viewers. Everyone here deserves respect for their viewpoints, whatever they may be.

[Big Red 67]

Thank you for tell us about your preference. I want to say that there are really good things that came out in the "negative" threads. I was happy to be able to speak up for the people in the world who are judged retards. I am one of those and happy for the fact that I learned to speak for myself and attempt to speak for those who didn't learn to, or couldn't speak for themselves. I like women, with or without coverings. I wasn't not born with clothes and was never taught to be shameful about my body. Please change the channel. I don't want to hear about people who think the body is offensive. I am tempted to post a picture of my self neckad. I will refrain due to current laws. Besides gettin' the girl was a part of the motive to play even if it is why I continue to play. I actually fell in love with the sound of Geddy Lee's playing. That is kind of perverse when compared to a guy looking at a girl. If you want to be offended think of that. I would sit next to my girlfriend and practice right hand tech. on her leg. She thought I was touching her and showing her affection, that's perverse.

[Guitarzan]

it would be better to have links to pics if they are offensive. that way it is your choice to view it or not.

[Adamixoye]

I hope I'm being clear here. This has nothing to do with a lack of appreciation of the female form on my part, but I also have certain morals and I would prefer not to gawk at these women. I like to fish, so I read a certain topic here and was assaulted with an image I would have chosen not to look at had I known.

 

Also, this is a GUITAR forum. I read the LDLD to discuss bass and music, and this forum to discuss guitar and music. Not to look at bikini models!

 

It's funny how someone who tries to express their religious or political opinions will get assaulted, but no one has any respect for someone who might be at work or have kids around.

 

Those are the issues.

[tiger85]

Everyone here deserves respect for their viewpoints, whatever they may be. I agree with guitarzan, a link would solve a lot of this issue.

[Shoes]

Originally posted by Adamixoye:

I like to fish, so I read a certain topic here and was assaulted with an image I would have chosen not to look at had I known...

Now... I don't fish so I chose not to look because of this...

 

So now I'll look.

But I won't like it I promise you.

 

In all seriousness.. I also feel that some of the threads have been slipping into the gutter if not the boxing ring and it is well below the highground that's typically travelled here.

[Big Red 67]

No assult would I give you other then to try to open a mind. Side point: ever notice the shape of a body of a guitar, looks alot like the shape of a woman to me. I think good things come from that witch we don't like (think are bad). I understnd your point do you mine?

[Reverse the Curse]

I understand that this is a guitar forum, but it isn't just for talking about guitar. Its a community. We came together because of a common hobby (music), but now that we have gotten to know each other we like to take a break from the guitar stuff and have fun and talk about life.

 

But again, I understand that somethings may offend some people. So how about this.

 

If you feel the need to post a topic similar to the one goin on now about models and which ones are good looking, etc. you put MC in front of it (for mature content). If you are reading a thread not about something mature but feel the need to post an image that has questionable content add a little note to the link (ex. www.sitename.com/img.jpg (warning mature content))

 

Just my suggestion. If you like it, say so, if not say so, I can take it

[cosmo115]

Originally posted by Guitarzan:

you behave young man

http://www.ecn.org/sc.pol.occup-fi/graf/old_lady.gif

That is hideous.

 

Originally posted by Adamixoye:

I'm not trying to pick on anyone, so I'm not going to name names, but you know who you are...there are a few people that I particularly have in mind who are the worst offenders. I am not trying to single you out, I am only asking you to stop.

{carefully looking around the room and forum for the worst offenders} Adam, I assume that you don't own a TV or you just keep it on PBS all day. Otherwise ANY channel you watch (e.g., CNN, ABC, ESPN, HBO etc.) and just about every show and every other commercial, you will be subjected to things you deem offensive, whether it be violence, partial nudity, vulgar language etc. Same goes for every sport, guitar and news magazine and a good portion of websites. Do you send every television station, motion picture studio and magazine a letter asking them to stop printing ads and articles that are obviously selling?? If so, more power to you. Unfortunately you or I can't escape the world we live in.

 

I'm not saying that you should enjoy the pictures of scantly clad women or that you should find humor in every single joke on this forum or anywhere, but just like you have a right to voice your opinion, people have a right to express themselves the way they please. In the thread you didn't want to mention (but now its mentioned) there is nothing in that picture that I haven't seen at a local beach or pool (albeit, the people may not wear their swimsuits as well at the pools I frequent), nor is it something you don't see on primetime TV or in practically every magazine or movie today.

 

If I offended you, I'm sorry and if you didn't laugh at my attempts at humor, forgive me. Personally I thought the joke was very funny and personally I find this thread offensive, but you have EVERY right to voice your opinion, as do I and everyone else in this forum.

 

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I come to this forum for the guitar info, the people, the interaction, the jokes and to get out of doing work Do I agree with everything said and pictured on the forum? No, but I do have a choice to avoid a thread that is not my cup of tea. Do I enjoy looking at pictures of Strats? No, some of them offend me http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_2_11.gif, but even being a puritanical LP guy, I can still appreciate someone that has a strat or prefers a different amp than mine.

 

Is it safe to assume that you're not a huge Howard Stern fan?

[A String]

Be glad you weren't here back when "Tub Girl" made a brief appearance.

[cosmo115]

Originally posted by A String:

Be glad you weren't here back when "Tub Girl" made a brief appearance.

Tub Girl??? Please share, just don't post it here.

[miroslav]

Originally posted by Adamixoye:

[*]women with abnormally large cup sizes

[*]women who are less than fully clothed

Well...though I kinda' understand what you are trying to say...

...who's definitions of "...abnormally large breasts"and "...less than fully clothed" should be used???

 

Like...what are you referring to...

C- cup...D-cup...Double D-cup...???

Are you saying that if the breasts are small-er...then it's OK???

 

Andhow much clothing is good enough?

Like...if there is a bit of neck showing...is that OK?

Or if the belly button is exposed...is that a no-no?

 

You need to get some specifics defined before anyone can institute a policy.

 

So...maybe the best way to clarify what you mean, is to first post up some examples of what in your mind constitutes "yes" and "no" type images.

[cosmo115]

Does this meet the Offensive Police's standards now?

 

Revised Fishermen Joke

 

FYI providing a link to the picture would ruin the joke as it was intended.

[cosmo115]

Originally posted by miroslav:

quote:

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Originally posted by Adamixoye:

[*]women with abnormally large cup sizes

[*]

women who are less than fully clothed

Well...though I kinda' understand what you are trying to say...

...who's definitions of "...abnormally large breasts"and "...less than fully clothed" should be used???

 

Like...what are you referring to...

C- cup...D-cup...Double D-cup...???

Are you saying that if the breasts are small-er...then it's OK???

 

Andhow much clothing is good enough?

Like...if there is a bit of neck showing...is that OK?

Or if the belly button is exposed...is that a no-no?

 

You need to get some specifics defined before anyone can institute a policy.

 

So...maybe the best way to clarify what you mean, is to first post up some examples of what in your mind constitutes "yes" and "no" type images.

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You're the best, Miroslav!!!!!

 

BTW, Adam, do you work for the FCC and did you burn your Janet Jackson CDs this past February?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_2_38.gif

[A String]

Originally posted by cosmo115:

Originally posted by A String:

Be glad you weren't here back when "Tub Girl" made a brief appearance.

Tub Girl??? Please share, just don't post it here.

Someone I won't mention (Although he hasn't been around in a while), posted a pic of "Tub Girl". This picture was voted "The most disturbing picture a human can see". Man, two seconds looking at that pic and you'll be begging for something else.

 

If you absolutely must see it, do a google search for "Tub Girl". But I have to warn you, those of us who saw it here can't get it out of our heads. I would strongly advise against it. This is not a joke.

[Darklava]

Originally posted by cosmo115:

quote:

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Originally posted by miroslav:

quote:

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Originally posted by Adamixoye:

[*]women with abnormally large cup sizes

[*]

women who are less than fully clothed

Well...though I kinda' understand what you are trying to say...

...who's definitions of "...abnormally large breasts"and "...less than fully clothed" should be used???

 

Like...what are you referring to...

C- cup...D-cup...Double D-cup...???

Are you saying that if the breasts are small-er...then it's OK???

 

Andhow much clothing is good enough?

Like...if there is a bit of neck showing...is that OK?

Or if the belly button is exposed...is that a no-no?

 

You need to get some specifics defined before anyone can institute a policy.

 

So...maybe the best way to clarify what you mean, is to first post up some examples of what in your mind constitutes "yes" and "no" type images.

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You're the best, Miroslav!!!!!

 

BTW, Adam, do you work for the FCC and did you burn your Janet Jackson CDs this past February?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_2_38.gif

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What you talking about Cos you da man.

[cosmo115]

Originally posted by tiger85:

Edited for the good of mankind.

Tiger, its a sad day for mankind since you edited your intial opinion.

[Adamixoye]

Miroslav, I am referring to anything that is intended to be sexual in nature, whether the sexuality is intended to be humorous or provocative. (The "abnormally" large reference I made is a specific reference to a few pictures that were posted not too long ago. The picture involved the words, "You're hired" or something to that effect.) I think any thinking man knows the difference and we can all stop playing dumb with the morally relative nonsense.

 

Read this thread:

http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=007810#000000

 

There someone had a picture of a woman dancing as their avatar (she was not unclothed, but did have a slinky dress). He wondered if people were offended by it, and took it down when he realized that some people were offended by it either because they read the forum at work, or might have little kids around, or because they had been previously involved in pornography. His attitude wasn't, "you all should just deal with it", his attitude was, "well, I like the picture, but I understand why others might not, so I'll take it down". That's the attitude that I was hoping for among people here, but I guess that's a little too much to ask for some of you.

 

And cosmo115...of course I was talking about you. I initially tried to hide it, but I realized there was no point. You're not the only one, but you're a big part of it. That's just the truth. I'm not sorry for saying that or offending you. I'm not trying to offend you, but if I have, there's not much I can do about it.

[cosmo115]

Originally posted by Adamixoye:

And cosmo115...of course I was talking about you. I initially tried to hide it, but I realized there was no point. You're not the only one, but you're a big part of it. That's just the truth. I'm not sorry for saying that or offending you. I'm not trying to offend you, but if I have, there's not much I can do about it.

Big part of it?

 

I guess you are a puritanical nazi as you inferred.

 

I hope you enjoy living in your bubble.

[Big Red 67]

Make NO mistake, your position is that your right to not be offended is MORE important then free speech. We already live in a nation where it has become illegal to offend people. Why don't you try to form a more healthy relationship to the "offending" stuff. Instead of looking at yourself, you want others to conform to your judgement! It is outrageous!!! I will fight for others right to do what they will even if I disagree with them. If your playing does not draw on yours and others sexuality then you are missing something. I will not pretend that sexuality is balanced in our world with the other things in this world that deserve our attention. Oh, by the by, I would guess that quite a few of these post are from the "children" that you say you are trying to "protect". I am OFFENDED by your position and attude of close mindedness!!

[Big Red 67]

By the way, I went to the fishing thread. It is only cause of you. I don't fish and would never have seen it otherwise! Thanks, Red

 

(Really, your offended by that! You have no tollerence, You should be ashamed. HEHE)

Later

[Adamixoye]

Originally posted by Big Red 67:

Make NO mistake, your position is that your right to not be offended is MORE important then free speech.

That is NOT my position. My position is that I've seen several things in this GUITAR FORUM over the last few months that are OFF-TOPIC and OUT OF PLACE. I don't mind the occasional off-topic chatter but the things I'm referring to are things I find offensive because of their sexual and/or juvenile nature. (Graemlins throwing up or mooning me, heads exploding, scantily clad women for no reason.) If this stuff continues to be posted, you threaten ruining the quality of this forum. In my book, it's already taken a hit.

 

Any female posters around here lately? I wonder what they think about all this.

 

And to all of you who are offended by my opinion on this...whatever. That's one heck of a double standard.

[Lee Flier]

Originally posted by cosmo115:

Adam, I assume that you don't own a TV or you just keep it on PBS all day. Otherwise ANY channel you watch (e.g., CNN, ABC, ESPN, HBO etc.) and just about every show and every other commercial, you will be subjected to things you deem offensive, whether it be violence, partial nudity, vulgar language etc. Same goes for every sport, guitar and news magazine and a good portion of websites. Do you send every television station, motion picture studio and magazine a letter asking them to stop printing ads and articles that are obviously selling?? If so, more power to you. Unfortunately you or I can't escape the world we live in.

So because we can't escape it and everyone else is doing it, that makes it OK and we just shouldn't say anything?

 

I don't have any desire to tell other people what to do, but that doesn't mean I can't have my own opinion about it, and that I can't voice that opinion for others' consideration.

 

I don't consider sexuality in any way offensive - quite the opposite. And I certainly don't consider the female (or male) form offensive or mind the idea of anyone admiring it. However, there's a difference between admiring and leering, and a lot of what passes for "sexuality" in today's mainstream media invites leering, not admiring. Sex is an intimate act and I think that the image of a sexy woman that's constantly foisted on us - that of a woman who's always ready for sex and with her sexuality constantly overemphasized - is disrespectful to sex and to women. I also think the women who take part in it have little respect for themselves.

 

There are LOTS of ways to be sexy, to hint at sexuality with the slight aura of mystery that it deserves, and still have some class - without giving the impression that you're ready to screw everybody and anybody on sight (which again, I think is disrespectful to the act of sex). It's not the sexuality that's offensive, it's the crudeness and crassness. To me, the need to express sexuality in this particular way speaks to me of repression, of a lack of healthy sexual attitudes and a continuing need to portray sex in a crude way because on some level you still think it's naughty or bad. I'm just tired of seeing it everywhere and certainly there are enough places to find it without people going out of their way to post it here on a guitar forum.

 

And yes that feeling certainly spills into other areas. I'm tired to death of crass and gratuitious violence too. I own a TV but rarely watch it, and certainly if I had kids I'd try my best to keep them away from that crap, even though I would certainly discuss with them that that's the way things are in the world, and they would certainly know the facts about sex. I would try to replace these constant images that we are bombarded with through marketing, though, with ones that I thought portrayed a healthier view of sex.

 

You can do whatever you want with my opinion, or not. Like I said, I certainly am not trying to tramp on anybody's right to free speech. Just putting forth as food for thought, the idea that just because you may have the right to do something doesn't necessarily mean it's a great idea. Something tells me that Adam posted what he did out of a simple respect for women and sex in general and a desire to express that, even if he did it in a way that offended some of you. IMO, the beauty and mystery of sex and our bodies is worth protecting. I know that practically no one these days sees it that way, but to me that makes it that much more important that somebody says it.

[Funk Jazz]

fellas, instead of getting into a pissing match, let's try and respect others' opinions a little bit...

 

moral attitudes aside, some of us have jobs that can be jeopardized (like BiC and myself in the Air Force) by viewing offensive material. so fair warning is justified (nice suggestion Cooper)

 

there is another portion of the Musicplayer Forums dedicated to being "off topic" and that can be found right here:

 

http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gifSound, Studio, and Stage Open Mic Discussion

 

so if you want to post something that COULD be offensive, and is "off topic" just take it over there for discussion. no harm, no foul.

 

on the other hand, if it's clearly not guitar related you can steer clear of the thread. you can also turn off Avatars in your profile. that only leaves the occasional scantily clad bimbo.

 

that's are a couple of simple solutions that don't require putting anyone down, or getting into juvenile name calling.

 

thanks for your time, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

[Adamixoye]

Originally posted by Lee Flier:

Just putting forth as food for thought, the idea that just because you may have the right to do something doesn't necessarily mean it's a great idea.

While I didn't necessarily agree with all the nuances of your post, I appreciate your thoughtful response and you really nailed it with this point.

 

Originally posted by Lee Flier:

Something tells me that Adam posted what he did out of a simple respect for women and sex in general and a desire to express that

That's fairly accurate.

 

Originally posted by Lee Flier:

even if he did it in a way that offended some of you.

I would typically be concerned if I were offending people in most instances. I am not in this case. I am not trying to offend, but I am being brutally honest and trying to give an accurate presentation of how strongly I feel about this.