Super 8 Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Is it unethical to run a classic jazz guitar through an amp sim like a Pod, or something? Ya know? With guitars, there is always that sort of 'code of ethics' thingy... "My god! That guy has that gorgeous arch-top, and he's running it direct through a freak'n POD! What is the world coming to?"... Yeah, I know all about finding your own sound, and doing it your way. But there are still things that are just considered WRONG... Just wondering what you all think. What are some other examples of things that would be considered unethical??? Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george costanza Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 I'm not sure "ethical" is really the right word for this question, Super 8... but tracking down & murdering a fellow musician for too many silly posts would be another example that might be considered unethical. Don't worry, Super, Jeebus will go first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timobrien Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 You are trying to produce sound, not legislation. My philosophy: "Use Whatever Works" (and my Dot sounds marvelous through my Johnson J-station, thank you very much....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMcGuitar Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 Originally posted by Super 8: Is it unethical to run a classic jazz guitar through an amp sim like a Pod, or something? You mean like playing a Gibson Byrdland through a wall of Fender Twins? http://www.teamtatham.com/lynntest/nugent.jpg (Image borrowed from a post by guitar geezer) May all your thoughts be random! - Neil www.McFaddenArts.com www.MikesGarageRocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funk Jazz Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 if it sounds good, do it. who gives a crap what someone else thinks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave da Dude Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 If you care what other people think about you then do what they think you ought to do If you want to be your own person, find your own sound, no matter how you get there "The Nuge" seems to have done okay with the Byrdland through a gazillion watts of power with a trillion speakers Dave Gotta' geetar... got the amp. There must be SOMEthing else I... "need". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funk Jazz Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 anyone else notice the roadies holding Nuge's stacks up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 It's not only unethical, it's a violation of the unwritten law of The Jazzbos, a ancient and well-guarded secret society of cool jazz guitarists. They have their own secret police, and it's well-known that they are the ones who disappeared Jimmy Hoffa, and not for some dippy labor union/mob crap either, but for actually daring to plug a D'Angelico archtop into a battry powered Pignose! Cranked! They have spies everywhere, so watch your butt! Actually, I have not only gotten away with plugging a Heritage Golden Eagle into a Johnson J Station, I got a great jazzy sort of sound that way. I hear tell Tal Farlow used an ultra-clean toned solid state amp built into a stool/chair he used on stage. Jazzbos, man... Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendmik Posted July 11, 2004 Share Posted July 11, 2004 What would Mr. Nice Jazz Guitar Guy do? Frankly I don't think much is unethical in audio production. When it comes to fixing performances, pitch correction, etc, they are all logical extentions of over dubbing, EQ, digital reverb, and multitracking in general. All are designed to fool the listener into thinking that's how the band really sounds. If a client requests such services from me, they better get their shit together so they CAN pull it off live, which is the true test of a good musician. But all in all, not my problem. The idea that the listener is owed the assurance they are not being manipulated is silly. They are being manipulated by the sheer fact that the singer's reverb wasn't really a large hall and that their performance was compiled from 30 takes. Audio engineering IS the art of manipulating the listener. And honestly, I have a blast doing it. Thanks to FunkJazz for the concise comment. F**king brilliant. Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. Mark Twain (1835-1910) -------------------- Reporter: "Ah, do you think you could destroy the world?" The Tick: "Ehgad I hope not. That's where I keep all my stuff!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolead Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by FunkJazz: if it sounds good, do it. who gives a crap what someone else thinks?Couldn't have said it better myself. Shut up and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf by Night Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Man, dyed-in-the-wool jazz cats have been plugging their Guilds, Gretsches, and Gibsons into solid-state combos for decades; what's the harm in a few ones and zeros between friends, after that? Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFreak Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by revolead: Originally posted by FunkJazz: if it sounds good, do it. who gives a crap what someone else thinks?Couldn't have said it better myself.Amen...and goodnight. How can we fight ignorance and apathy? Who knows! Who cares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted July 12, 2004 Author Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by Hendmik: What would Mr. Nice Jazz Guitar Guy do? Heh... Well obviously, he would crack up Band-in-a-Box, and plug his L5 into his computer and listen to it through his 10 dollar computer speakers, while entertaining notions of being Wes Montgomery. Oh, and then he'd log on here and brag about it... Anyway, I have to say that I'm a little surprised there aren't more purists among you. Of course, Lee Flier hasn't logged on yet either . I just figured that there were some things you JUST DON'T DO. For example, playing a BC Rich Warlok at a bluegrass festival. Just me....but I would think people might find that kind of odd. But I do appreciate the 'do it your way' attitude I'm reading here. Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeronyne Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by Super 8: I just figured that there were some things you JUST DON'T DO. For example, playing a BC Rich Warlok at a bluegrass festival. I saw this exact thing in DeKalb about 5 years ago! And on Valentine's there was a 90 year old gentleman playing jazz standards on a Tremonti PRS straight into a peavey keyboard amp. Sounded great! "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Björn Fröberg Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 What would Mr. Nice Jazz Guitar Guy do? Bastard! You stole my line! - Bob Freebird A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendmik Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by Super 8: For example, playing a BC Rich Warlok at a bluegrass festival.Oh LORD that was funny. Probably stemming from how much I can't stand BC Rich. So, I stand corrected. If there are some things you should never, EVER do, this should be at the top of the list. Second on the list: Starting a Sandi Patti tribute band. Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. Mark Twain (1835-1910) -------------------- Reporter: "Ah, do you think you could destroy the world?" The Tick: "Ehgad I hope not. That's where I keep all my stuff!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMcGuitar Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by FunkJazz: anyone else notice the roadies holding Nuge's stacks up? I hadn't noticed it. Good catch! May all your thoughts be random! - Neil www.McFaddenArts.com www.MikesGarageRocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMcGuitar Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by Super 8: Anyway, I have to say that I'm a little surprised there aren't more purists among you. Of course, Lee Flier hasn't logged on yet either . I just figured that there were some things you JUST DON'T DO. For example, playing a BC Rich Warlok at a bluegrass festival. Just me....but I would think people might find that kind of odd. But I do appreciate the 'do it your way' attitude I'm reading here. Well, even the "purists" here tend to have the attitude of "If it works, do it." And the only real judge of whether or not it "works" is you. Someone might say, "I don't like such-and-such, and wouldn't use that setup," but I don't think most of us would argue that someone else has every right to use it. May all your thoughts be random! - Neil www.McFaddenArts.com www.MikesGarageRocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Originally posted by Björn Fröberg: What would Mr. Nice Jazz Guitar Guy do? You stole my line! Dude, he stole everyone's line with that one. But let me give it a crack... Where did you get an idea like this? From watching M(oron)TV? HENDRIX SUCKS! Okay, I'm done now. I believe that is the greatest reply I\'ve ever read! I\'m not even joking. -- justinruins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleCarlos Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 BTW, Are you Craig Chaquico? .. . . . . . . . . .. just being annoying here... sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Thorne Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Super 8, I mean this in a friendly, humorous fashion, but: Guitar players ask the most bizarro questions sometimes! Sometime in 1985 or '86 I saw Jim Hall live in Boston. Between his bazillion dollar D'Aquisto and whatever amp he was using were chorus and delay pedals, and he used them. The last "purist" was Andres Segovia, who despised electric guitars and always played his guitar unamplified in big concert halls, insisting his audience be silent so they could hear him. And, guys, let's let the Mr. Nice Jazz Guitar Guy thing go. He's long gone, so why pick on him when he's not around to defend himself - or at least get torqued off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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