GRRR!! Sometimes it sucks to be a vintage snob...

[doc taz]

Originally posted by Lee Flier:

Hmm, interesting thought, Mr. O'Shite. But how would that work with a volume pedal? Especially considering my fuzz box has to be the first thing in the chain (BEFORE the volume pedal) or it won't fuzzify?

Caevan might be referring to a line selector. BOSS has a line selector that could work in the instance Caevan describes. As for the volume pedal, as long as it uses a 250k pot, it can be used either before or after the fuzz pedal.

[Caevan O’Shite]

All I meant was, going:

 

guitar http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif FX-pedals (that you DO like) http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif amp w/ Dr Z Air Brake http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif mic http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif further FX processor(s) http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif Bose PAS.

 

You could use a small mixer at the point where the additional, "downstream" post amp/speakers/mic FX are introduced, or simply run the signal through them serially, with any needed adapters for the mic-line. (I'd use my beloved old Groove Tubes Speaker Emulator here to feed these FX, and preserve the mic'ed signal's purity, sending the Sp Emu/FX and dry/mic signals to a small mixer and from there to the PAS.) Or, does the PAS have some kind of FX-loop or insert-point?

[Blue Strat]

Originally posted by Dr. Taz:

As for the volume pedal, as long as it uses a 250k pot, it can be used either before or after the fuzz pedal.

I think Lee wants the volume pedal to control her over-all volume, not her fuzz pedal's gain. If that's the case, then she does need the fuzz first in her chain.

[Caevan O’Shite]

Oh, yeah... about that volume pedal...

 

You don't have a problem with the volume pedal, right? The problem was all about additional effects for which you had some limited but specific needs, and not losing what you already loved about your tone to them.

 

So, yeah, within my proposed signal chain, the volume pedal would still belong post-fuzzbox, as you want volume swells or adjustments with a consistant and constant fuzzification of the gold-tone. So...

 

guitar http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif FX-pedals (that you DO like) (Fuzz > Volume pedal > Echoplex ) http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif amp w/ Dr Z Air Brake http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif mic http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif further FX processor(s) http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/icons/icon2.gif Bose PAS.

 

Basically, everything downstream from the amp (from the speakers and mic, or a hypothetical speaker emulator for feeding FX) can be viewed as a sort of "effects loop" that's located outside your amp.

 

You could also think of it as a stage-version of the way you might add these effects in a recording studio, epecially if a small mixer is used.

 

The additional effects would benefit from getting the full sound of your whole amp (both the preamp- poweramp-sections) and speakers.

 

If you put the volume pedal in the "loop" (post-amp), it will still work, but it won't change the level hitting the Echoplex or the amp , and the sound will still be coming out of your amp's speakers no matter how the volume pedal is set.

 

You could relocate the Echoplex to this "loop", but... if you're already satisfied with the way it sounds in front of the amp... "If it ain't broken, don't fix it!"

 

So, as for those pedals, I'd stay with the Fuzz>Vol>Echoplex order, as the fuzz will fuzz, the Vol will be swell, and the 'plex's Echoes will rise and fall with the Volume's motion.

 

I wouln't expect the Boss ME-50 to do any better here, but, you wouldn't know for sure without trying. You might still be left to find the effect(s) (be they pedal or free-standing or rack-mount) that sound good to you in real-life use

 

I do think that a (Groove Tubes) GT Electronics Speaker Emulator II would do very well for you here; it has a built-in effects loop, as well as an amp-style tone-control section, and it would provide you with a line-level DI for the added effects, leaving the mic'ed signal pure and clean and dry. Think of it as a close-mic'ed vintage Marshall cab with vintage Celestions "in a box". (No digital or simulated anything; uses a real live speaker's voice-coil.) They work very well with bf Fenders, I might add. Myles has some, he can fill you in further if you're interested.

[Lee Flier]

Ah OK, I see what you're saying now. And yes, the PAS does have insert points and also line-outs and line-in's that can be used as effects loops. So I can put any effects that tend to "misbehave" into that part of the chain, and I have thought about that actually. It wouldn't have worked with the ME-50, but it might with other individual boxes.

 

You're so sweet to take the time to post all that, I feel like you know my rig as well as I do!

[Caevan O’Shite]

Heh heh- I think I'm blushing, Lee!

 

Don't forget- I've got a couple of Les Pauls, one with soapbars, a '67 bf Pro Reverb 2x12, and I've even played an old, all-original '52 gold-top through the Pro a few times; an old friend still has his, and he's the original and onliest owner; he bought it brand spankin' new way back when!