Grimmer Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Listen, I love classic rock and the like. All of the people that I talk to that love old school rocking aboslutely hate Ibanez guitars. As an aspiring guitar technician, I must say that every Ibanez that I have come across plays like a dream. Their wizard II necks are soem of the best in the business, and I don't understand that bad karma that surrounds better end players not digging Ibanez guitars. Personally, I will always promote them, especially as beginner instruments. To me, Ibanez is quality for the most part....is there a reason that most people do not share in my general sentiments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I think that some of that is just trend-following, me-too mentality, though I must confess that Ibanez is not what comes first to my mind when I think about a guitar to get. Most of their models don't look too "old school/classic rock", and the ones that do lean that way tend to look like also-ran, trend-following designs. Never mind how they actually play or sound, folks love to define themselves by drawing a line in the sand. Ibanez made there mark in the '80s courting a certain type of player, and that image- and style-association has stuck with them. Gibson, for example, has re-made their mark courting another sort of player, that wants that "old school" look, sound, and image; many folks will feel that their credibility is more secure if they play "the real deal". If the market shifted again to something more akin to how it was in the '80s, and Gibson attempted to bring instruments out that catered to the "new" crowd, Gibson would probably meet similar reactions. Remember how (un)successful Gibson's "rad, new" designs like the USA-1 and Corvus and Les Pauls with double locking whammies and all those "what were they thinking?" guitars in the '80s? Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterypowered Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I've played some Ibanez that were complete crap, and I've played ones that I adore. I think that in general, people have a tendency to be snobby about cheaper instruments, and this is why. I've played Squiers I like better than Fenders, and Epis I like better than Gibson, too, so I'm pretty desensitized to price. Play what you like, forget what everyone tells you. twoblock.net batterypowered.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmer Posted December 14, 2003 Author Share Posted December 14, 2003 Originally posted by batterypowered: I've played some Ibanez that were complete crap, and I've played ones that I adore. I think that in general, people have a tendency to be snobby about cheaper instruments, and this is why. I've played Squiers I like better than Fenders, and Epis I like better than Gibson, too, so I'm pretty desensitized to price. Play what you like, forget what everyone tells you. I totally agree, I think people need to stop worrying about the name and place of make. Although there are certain company's that without a doubt are more reliable, or who's methods are far superior to others, in general, every guitar should play completely different just because of the nature of the beast. All I was trying to say was taht I don't think people give Ibanez guitars any semblance of credit. I agree with you though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel E. Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Ibanez make good, utilitarian instruments that are unapologetically modern (their attempts at "retro" instruments have been less than succesful). Their models don't have 50+ years of history behind them so they don't have that mystique. However, they were the first company to market a fully functional solidbody 7-string guitar in the late 80s and their thin S-series guitars are ergonomic and light. Ibanez guitars have fast necks and produce a wide variety of sounds. "You never can vouch for your own consciousness." - Norman Mailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elferoony Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 is 'artcore' what you are referring to as not successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beermouse Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I usually dislike Ibanez guitars (not really best suited for the type of music I play), but I really like the Jetking and AS120 models. The Jetking looks really cool (IMO), and the Artstar (AS120) is a decent hollow-body with an excellent price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demarc Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Ibanez make good, utilitarian instruments that are unapologetically modern (their attempts at "retro" instruments have been less than succesful). Their models don't have 50+ years of history behind them so they don't have that mystique.Could this be compred to the mystique of a Harley (or Indian, or possibly even a BMW or Ducati)compared to a Honda/Kaw/Yam/Suz/... Check out some handcrafted guitars: http://home.mindspring.com/~grus/guitars.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gato Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Ibanez super-strats sucks where ever they are made. I only like the old Artist and the Bob Weir Model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I'd brake for old Ibanez George Bensons... if I had the money... ! And, yeah, any of those Les Paulish double-cutaway axes from Ibanez seem pretty cool. But those Bob Weir models are just too plain! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy E Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I gotta admit...I am a big fan of the RG-470 series!! Never paid more than a couple hundred bucks for em...Had to replace the pickups.....But structurally the guitars are absolutely perfect! And faster than hell!! 24 Jumbo frets, straight neck for days..And with a coil tap, they make kicking chicken pickin guitars. I think Ibanez suffers from a bum rap in their early days...There stuff wasnt the best then. But you all keep bitching about them..and I will keep getting them cheap..Good deal for me. I play anything that works...Danlectros, Fenders and Teiscos..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel E. Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I still want a Jem 777. Yes it's a super-strat and no it doesn't suck. "You never can vouch for your own consciousness." - Norman Mailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondottcomm Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The Ibanez "V" is great!Hard to find now I think..I have a Ibanez 335 type of guit thats pretty nice..It depends on the years,like anything eles.The ones out now arn't as nice IMHO What? you mean I can take this block of fine swiss and make a song??...COOL! Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I kinda like those Universe seven-string Steve Vai models, too. Preferably in white, with pearl inlays, no green, red, and yellow markers, thanks! They play and feel great! Adding a string and losing the "monkey grip" was a good move over the Jems. Also a super-Strat, also doesn't suck! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I just bought a Talman off eBay. Love the damn thing. I happened to be one that dug their attempt at "retro". "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennyf Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 I think any anti-Ibanez sentiment is related to the amount of market penetration they had during the big-hair-spandex-whammy-drenched-shredding era. The older Ibanez guitars are generally considered pretty good in most circles, with some models appreciating in value. I used to have a Musician, and a '58 V lawsuit guitar, and I currently have a '78 PF300 (my main guitar), a new SZ520 (super-strat shape, but set neck, mahogany body, maple top--sound like anything else?), and a MASA acoustic-electric. They are all well-made, fine playing instruments. The PF300 in particular shows a quality of construction that's not common even in expensive instruments today. Ironically, the only whammy "shred-o-caster" i have is one of those previously-mentioned Gibson marketing failures, the M-III Standard. band link: bluepearlband.com music, lessons, gig schedules at dennyf.com STURGEON'S LAW --98% of everything is bullshit. My Unitarian Jihad Name is: The Jackhammer of Love and Mercy. Get yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gato Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Originally posted by Dennyf: I think any anti-Ibanez sentiment is related to the amount of market penetration they had during the big-hair-spandex-whammy-drenched-shredding era. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted December 15, 2003 Share Posted December 15, 2003 Vai, Satriani and Gilbert all have signature models-that`s bound to generate a certain image im peoples` minds. my first `real` guitar was an old sunburst Artist-I still have it but it`s out of active service-bit of a story there but no one wants to hear it I`m sure. It`s one of the ironies of guitars that, when a maker has several lines of nice guitars that are inexpensive, popular with beginners and sound damn good for the money, they get snorts of contempt from owners of more expensive instruments. That, and the flak Ibanez in particular catches from those whose idea of a gear array is a guitar and amp, probably accounts for a lot of the attitude. Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmer Posted December 15, 2003 Author Share Posted December 15, 2003 Originally posted by Gato: Ibanez super-strats sucks where ever they are made. I only like the old Artist and the Bob Weir Model.Why do you feel that way. Is ti the pickups, the necks, the style. WHat makes them suck so bad, I can tell you that they hold up, I happen to have 3 fenders, 2 Gibsons, and 3 Ibanez guitars, all of which need much less maintenance than the fenders or gibsons....that doesn't necessarily make them better, but why do you think they suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Novak Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Ibanezes traditionally have been the most consistently well built guitar made under $1,000. Fender has always been sketchy with their QC, and Gibson lost their mind long ago. I say traditionally because basically everything is now made in Korea or Indonesia. The Japanese Ibanezes are a cut above in quality IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by Jim Novak: Ibanezes traditionally have been the most consistently well built guitar made under $1,000. Fender has always been sketchy with their QC, and Gibson lost their mind long ago. I say traditionally because basically everything is now made in Korea or Indonesia. The Japanese Ibanezes are a cut above in quality IMO.that`s interesting-the models I see here seem to include quality components at really low prices, especially body woods. OTOH, and what gets lost sometimes, is that it`s still possible to spend a lOT of money for an Ibanez-that`tree of life` inlay model is gorgeous, but out of my budget fer sure Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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