dtz Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I'm sure this has been beat to death, but.....Having a two year old child and the need for several different tones (Different types of music) has led me to the great recording debate over amp simulators. I've tried to figure out how to use my amps without a)waking the baby b)my wife divorcing me and no luck. Even my class a 15 watter is too loud and besides I need some tonal variety so that would eliminate the Palmer Speaker Sim as well. So hear it is....The PODxt, the AdrenalinnII or the new Vox tone lab (or others). Any thoughts on how these compare. Sample quality and versatility of programming are big considerations. Any help is appreciated. I'm not looking to make any major label release. Just record some decent tones that aren't emmbarrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimK Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I've been using a Digitech GNX1 for about two years now and am very happy with it. Some models are better then others, but overall this thing is very versatile. One thing that attracted me to the GNX series is the "warp" feature. The GNX boxes will allow you to combine two amp models at a time (which can be saved as a user model and then combined with another amp model). With this feature, there's almost no limit to the types of sounds you can get out of it. In an effort to improve the responsiveness of e-mail for everyone, the e-mail servers will be out of service. We are hopeful that this change will improve the performance of e-mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I had two simulators in the past twwo years. Didn't like either one.... mostly because neither allowed the noise gate to be disabled, thus producing unnatural note decay. But some of the tones would otherwise be acceptable in many instances. So I dunno what else to tell you, except: Go play them, and use your own ears to evaluate! And definitely make lotsa upfront time to play/record the one you get, so you know whether you like it before the return period expires. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I'm now using a ZOOM GFX-5 multiFX/amp modeler to play and mess with. I haven't recorded yet with it, but judging that I can actually use it as a preamp, it's quite good. Also, the circuitry used for the amp sims are analog, not digital like most modelers. I'm not saying the ZOOM's sound quality is like the SansAmps, but the tones are quite usable. I've made patches ranging from a Jazz Chorus type sound, two Marshall variations, a Fender Twin in surf mode, and a lead tone similar to Allan Holdsworth's when he was using a modified Boogie DC-5 for that. When I use this as a preamp, my amp of choice is a Fender Deluxe 85 SS amp combo, the red knob one from the late 1980's. I bypass the Fender's amp, and go direct to the power amp. It has a lot of output volume on tap, so it should work well for direct recording. sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 i had a pod 2.0 and it was great with headphones. i really dug the marshall setting. i found it quite easy to manipulate. i would guess the pod xt is better. and guitar player magazine seems quite impressed with both the yamaha dgstomp and vox valvetronics modelers. i am not sure but i think yamaha has stopped producing the dg series. but there is the magicstomp coming soon . http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=193274 rock it, i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolead Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I've got a DG Stomp that absolutley rocks with headphones. Can't say I can identify a lot of the amp models, but I know what I like to hear tonewise, and this gives it to me. Plus you can combine speaker simulations with the 8 different amps and by twisting a few knobs get everything from thrash metal Mesas to sparkling reverb washed Fenders. Shut up and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim P. Dyndale Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I use a POD 2, and I'm VERY heppy with it. Actually, a lot of producers prefer guitarists to use a POD or a similar thing (although as far as I know the POD is most popular) in the studio. Portable, easy to set up, great sound. The rest is up to the guitarist. I've heard the PODxt, and it sounds REALLY, REALLY good. I haven't heard any of the other two you mentioned, but I've heard good things about them. I'd guess you'd be happy with any of them. You probably know what kind of features you want, so check out the specs for each one. Then go out and try each one. Then make up your mind. Most of the newest generation amp simulators sound very good. All I know is that I think you'll have a hard time finding a unit easier to program and use than the PODxt, and with as good sounds. But these are just my opinions, of course... -Joachim Dyndale -------------------- Einstein: The difference between genius and stupidity is: Genius has limits My Blog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 A guy had a shootout with some tracks he did with an amp and with a POD. Only half of the guitarists guessed which tracks were POD's or amps. It would have been interesting if he told them both tracks were amps. I wonder if anyone could have guessed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wow Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 SansAmp . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAshkenazi Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Hey, would anyone here recommend getting one of the aforementioned products as a live amp replacement, maybe like putting a SansAmp in a pedalboard and using it to drive a cab or go direct or something? I need to upgrade my amp, and I'm oh so on a budget... Also, my pedalboard is used for both guitar and bass; maybe there's a product that does both reasonably well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAshkenazi Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 >ker-BUMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Originally posted by RichardAshkenazi: Hey, would anyone here recommend getting one of the aforementioned products as a live amp replacement, maybe like putting a SansAmp in a pedalboard and using it to drive a cab or go direct or something? I need to upgrade my amp, and I'm oh so on a budget... Also, my pedalboard is used for both guitar and bass; maybe there's a product that does both reasonably well?If you want analog, definitely one of the SansAmp amp sim pedals wll do the job. They're 100% analog, and are easy to set up for good tone. They sound good anywhere you put 'em, but are best used in front of an amp, or as a preamp driving a power amp. If you are going to drive a power amp with one of these things, then I'd put the time-based effects (delay, chorus, phaser, etc.) AFTER a SansAmp. You can put a wah in front of one, for instance, and still get nice tone. sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Originally posted by RichardAshkenazi: ... Also, my pedalboard is used for both guitar and bass; maybe there's a product that does both reasonably well?The Digitech Genesis 3 has been discontinued and is being blown out for cheap. It has guitar and bass modeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardAshkenazi Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Originally posted by Dr. Taz: If you want analog, definitely one of the SansAmp amp sim pedals wll do the job. They're 100% analog, and are easy to set up for good tone. They sound good anywhere you put 'em, but are best used in front of an amp, or as a preamp driving a power amp. If you are going to drive a power amp with one of these things, then I'd put the time-based effects (delay, chorus, phaser, etc.) AFTER a SansAmp. You can put a wah in front of one, for instance, and still get nice tone.I don't care if something's digital, as long as it sounds good. And I'd already had that thought about the time-based effects, which is one reason I'm thinking of getting a pedal preamp/amp sim. Easier to do that than run half my pedalboard in front of an amp and then run the remaining half through an effects loop (as it is, the whole board's in front, and it's not an optimum setup). Originally posted by paostby: The Digitech Genesis 3 has been discontinued and is being blown out for cheap. It has guitar and bass modeling.Sweet, I'll do some research into that. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeronyne Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I am barely a guitarist (5 years playing about once every 3 days), but I find that my PodXT records very well, and real guitarists that I've worked with enjoy the hassle free aspect of it. The trick with any simulator is to enjoy their features and not lament their lack of acuracy. With Line6's free software, I am able to edit all the parameters of the XT graphically, which is a great plus for a keyboardist like me. It also gives you all the functions of the GuitarPort, which is very cool in itself. "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjones43701 Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Originally posted by revolead: I've got a DG Stomp that absolutley rocks with headphones. Can't say I can identify a lot of the amp models, but I know what I like to hear tonewise, and this gives it to me. Plus you can combine speaker simulations with the 8 different amps and by twisting a few knobs get everything from thrash metal Mesas to sparkling reverb washed Fenders.Second that!!! the DG stomp rocks!!! Some people are gonna say you cant play metal with it...if you cant play metal with it, then you cant play, you are a metal poser who can only get down with a recto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtz Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 Thanks for the replies, one of these days I'll get out to try to actually hear these things but until then I was looking for feedback on your impressions as owners. I guess the real question is the qulity of the sounds. The PODxt sure does sound impressive, but I also had some interest in the Adrenalinn 2 for the filter samples. Has anyone had any experience with this unit. Or should I stick with the POD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunobulax Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Another vote for the DG Stomp. yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 "Gotta great-big hairy leg, gotta great-big hairy leg... !" Yeah!! The poodle bites. Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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