Paul M. Brown Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I have an ongoing problem w/ Gibson Finishes being softened & damaged by the rubber on some guitar stands and hanging mounting stands. I've seen Gibson dealers use leather covers to cover the rubber. In fact when I bought my Hummingbird from a dealer in Boseman, it had this damage. Robbie Johns @ Gibson had them ship the guitar back and they buffed it out or something. Now its happened to my new Les Paul. Any idea on how I can take care of this w/out going through Hell? Paul M. Brown The Music Collective www.TheMusicCollective.com Paul M. Brown The Music Collective www.TheMusicCollective.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick_dont_fret_dup1 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Don't buy a Gibson? Or, don't buy rubber covered guitar stands? Well, I see greenboy is back, so why the heck not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul M. Brown Posted September 11, 2003 Author Share Posted September 11, 2003 Ha Ha Ha! Actually, I just checked on the Gibson website and under Caring for Finishes it says to avoid Finish Unfriendly Rubber Guitar Stands or Holders. I've heard surgical tubing would work, but the damage is done. I assume I could get it buffed out, but I was wondering if anybody knew of an easier method. The rubber actually seems to eat right through the finish and hand buffing didn't do the trick. Paul M. Brown The Music Collective www.TheMusicCollective.com Paul M. Brown The Music Collective www.TheMusicCollective.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Soloway Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by Paul M. Brown: Ha Ha Ha! Actually, I just checked on the Gibson website and under Caring for Finishes it says to avoid Finish Unfriendly Rubber Guitar Stands or Holders. I've heard surgical tubing would work, but the damage is done. I assume I could get it buffed out, but I was wondering if anybody knew of an easier method. The rubber actually seems to eat right through the finish and hand buffing didn't do the trick. Paul M. Brown The Music Collective www.TheMusicCollective.com I'm not sure that you can get it buffed out. And it's not Gibson, it all nitrocelluloce finished. Some stands use a rubber that has a VERY bad reaction to nitrocellulose. It happened to me and I was unable to repair it. It's hard for me to imagine a more irresponsible product design. www.solowayguitars.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolead Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 The stand I have has some type of a covering. Its not rubber, almost like nylon. Anyone know if that would effect it? Shut up and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthetic Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 So who makes a nitro-friendly guitar stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeamo Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 hello everybody. i've heard of wrapping the rubber portion of a guitar stand with strips of old T shirt material to protect finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69tele Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 or buy a case like this which holds 6 guitars and is lined with furry material http://tienda.musicasa.com/img/gdc.jpg If in doubt leave it Out ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 I have used stands for a long time, but always bought the ones that had the black colored padding. I haven't had a finish problem from those. Are you using the ones that have that dull yellow/manila colored padding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoz65 Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Jims right it's nitro finished guitars that are effected by the rubber. I have one stand that had the rubber covering and my older PRS actually adhered itself to the rubber. Luckily it didn't leave a mark but I changed the rubber to the clear surgical type tubing and it's been okay for the last couple of months. When it happened it was on a rather warm day so I'm assuming that temperature has a bearing on it. Never had a problem with any of the stands with the thick black foam rubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revorhythm Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 wow,some complicated solutions. my bro had the same problem with his gibson sg. easy solution: socks, just put one on each prong of the stand. hot girls, fast cars, and even louder guitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isxism Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Originally posted by Jim Soloway: Originally posted by Paul M. Brown: Ha Ha Ha! Actually, I just checked on the Gibson website and under Caring for Finishes it says to avoid Finish Unfriendly Rubber Guitar Stands or Holders. I've heard surgical tubing would work, but the damage is done. I assume I could get it buffed out, but I was wondering if anybody knew of an easier method. The rubber actually seems to eat right through the finish and hand buffing didn't do the trick. Paul M. Brown The Music Collective www.TheMusicCollective.com I'm not sure that you can get it buffed out. And it's not Gibson, it all nitrocelluloce finished. Some stands use a rubber that has a VERY bad reaction to nitrocellulose. It happened to me and I was unable to repair it. It's hard for me to imagine a more irresponsible product design.Wouldn't the acids from the sweat of your hands play a role in deteriorating the finish.......I believe that may become a factor also. Try wiping the guitar down after play, this may help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James-Italy Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 I use a Warwick Rockstand with the black foam and have noticed no blemishing or discoloration on my Gibsons or other guitars. The guys on the LesPaulForum all say that this stand doesn't hurt the finish. From that forum I picked up that surgical rubber, especially the yellow, will actually eat through the nitrocellulose. BTW- Nitrocellulose (not used only on Gibsons but also on many fine guitars) is a fragile finish, but often regarded as the best for tone. My Gear My Attempts at Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunobulax Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Here's a relevant article from frets.com: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenMaint/Vinyl/vinyl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunobulax Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 And from the same site, a more general article about finishes: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenMaint/FinishIntro/finishintro.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Soloway Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Originally posted by vopt: Here's a relevant article from frets.com: http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Musician/GenMaint/Vinyl/vinyl.html Thanks for the link. That's something every guitar player should be aware of. www.solowayguitars.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Originally posted by James-Italy: "BTW- Nitrocellulose (not used only on Gibsons but also on many fine guitars) is a fragile finish, but often regarded as the best for tone."Not only that, but I love the feel of it, preferring it over everything else but a tung-oiled and Butcher's Waxed maple or koa neck. Some folks complain that it's "sticky", but they probably don't clean off the back of the neck often enough. A few "breaths", a few swipes with an all-cotton Tee, and you're good to go for a while. As to the reactive damages, I've never experienced that, and I'm glad. And now I'm better armed to keep it that way! Thanks, all! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Originally posted by synthetic: So who makes a nitro-friendly guitar stand?All Ultimate support guitar stands are covered in foam and rubber that should not react with the nitrocellulose finish on Gibson (and some other) guitars. But beware. Even Ultimate warns users to store their instrument in a quality case, for long term storage. Check out this page from the Ultimate Support website. To quote: Serious Information. Did you know that most expensive guitars use a nitrocellulose lacquer finish that requires special care? Because of the sensitivity of these finishes, Ultimate and fine guitar manufacturers highly recommend that you keep your guitar in a quality case for long-term storage. For performances use a sturdy guitar stand like Genesis, but return your instrument to the case for transport and storage. Follow all of your guitar manufacturers guidelines to ensure the maximum protection of your investment. Get Serious about protecting your guitar!. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Man, where were SRV and Rory Galahger when they passed out those dittos?!? Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Originally posted by CaevanO'Shite: ...Some folks complain that it's "sticky", but they probably don't clean off the back of the neck often enough. A few "breaths", a few swipes with an all-cotton Tee, and you're good to go for a while...Actually, K, Gibson has a problem with sending out guitars without properly curing the finish prior to shipment. Some of these instruments don't cure at all, in some places. This makes the neck sticky, and won't be cured (no pun intended) with a quick cleaning of the neck. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 Originally posted by fantasticsound: "Actually, K, Gibson has a problem with sending out guitars without properly curing the finish prior to shipment. Some of these instruments don't cure at all, in some places. This makes the neck sticky, and won't be cured (no pun intended) with a quick cleaning of the neck."Oooh.... hadn't run across that, with the possible exception of the still tacky red goo on a lot of the binding and hardware on my Classic; I just scraped and wiped and rubbed it away, but that's still pretty sad, considering what that axe originally listed for! (I got a great deal on it, "used" but still pretty much delivery-fresh.) The finish on the back of the neck feels like glass coated velvet, and I don't let people wearing rings play it! As I said, as long as I keep the sweat-gunk from building up, it feels great. But, poorly cured finishes... that is a drag! Thanks for the info! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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