mstreck Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 What effect is Andy Summers using when he plays the muted chords behind the first verse of "Don't Stand So Close To Me"... some kind of chorus? Flanger? Anybody know? I can't isolate it enough to get a good listen. A speedy respoinse would be greatly appreciated. I've got three days to figure this out. Thanks, Mike Petting Hendrix Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked in the head by an iron boot? Of course you don't--no one does--that never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 It's mostly chorus. There might be some reverb or delay, but just a little. sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Yup. Chorus. guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstreck Posted September 6, 2003 Author Share Posted September 6, 2003 Originally posted by guitplayer: Yup. Chorus. guitplayerChorus it is! Thanks! Mike Petting Hendrix Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked in the head by an iron boot? Of course you don't--no one does--that never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meek20 Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Andy Summers used his effects very well and tastefully, much like David Gilmour (in my opinion). What a great guitar player! mstreck, is your band adding this song to its repertoire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James-Italy Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 I was just down in the studio jamming and this was one of the tunes. Just piddled with guitar over the jamtrax on this one, I was paying more attention to the vocals. This is really a hard song for me on vocals. Sting is so.... in his own kindof key. I don't find most of the other Police songs that difficult, but this one is a bear for me. Just giving you a little heads up to make sure the vocalist has the "Sting-vibe" down. Cool song in any case. My Gear My Attempts at Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy d Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 he also used a lot of compression Roy http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/alexisdmusic.htm "once it stops bein' a mystery it stops bein' true" David Mowaljarlai - Ngarinyin Aboriginal Elder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Yeah, like Roy said, compression, and the aforementioned chorus. Maybe a Boss? I think there's some short, almost slap-back delay there, too. And the nearly everpresent 'verb. Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 There was a recent thing in Mix magazine about this. If I remember right, a big part of the " Summers sound" is from the Roland Jazz Chorus amp. This amp had 2 speakers, 12s I think, and I believe it sent the main signal thru one speaker, and a slightly out of phase signal thru the other, simultaneously. Compressed, as pointed out. Very specific sound. Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Originally posted by wraub: There was a recent thing in Mix magazine about this. If I remember right, a big part of the " Summers sound" is from the Roland Jazz Chorus amp. This amp had 2 speakers, 12s I think, and I believe it sent the main signal thru one speaker, and a slightly out of phase signal thru the other, simultaneously. Compressed, as pointed out. Very specific sound. Peace, wraubMy Peavey Studio Chorus 210 does that too. I swear that thing is nothing short of amazing, at least to my ears. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Thorne Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 In my opinion Andy Summers' work with the Police is the only chorus I ever want to hear. Mostly I feel that "chorus must die!" I'm thrilled Scofield finally ditched his. with all due respect to those of you who like it... And I'm not a total Luddite; though I usually run sans effects I have been known to use distortion, envelope filter and delay. I just really detest chorus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstreck Posted September 7, 2003 Author Share Posted September 7, 2003 Thanks! We were looking to add a few 80's songs. It seems like most of the songs we've added so far were pretty cheesy. Our vocalist REALLY wants to do this song. Since not everyone knew it off-the-cuff, I was asked to work out an arrangement for our next practice. For me, that means learning all the parts AND effects. I agree with the "vocalist" comment. I'm not sure if he can handle it, but we'll see. He's surprised me more than once. Mike Petting Hendrix Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked in the head by an iron boot? Of course you don't--no one does--that never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamsa2000 Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 I have a really good effect that I use for this song - and it does'nt cost a cent! It's called Palm Muting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Originally posted by chad: In my opinion Andy Summers' work with the Police is the only chorus I ever want to hear. You could probably add James Honeyman-Scott to that short list of late-'70s/early-'80s guitarists who used chorus tastefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 I'm sure there's in time delay going on in that tune. No feedback, just a single slap. -David http://www.garageband.com/artist/MichaelangelosMuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Thorne Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Originally posted by Mark Zeger: Originally posted by chad: In my opinion Andy Summers' work with the Police is the only chorus I ever want to hear. You could probably add James Honeyman-Scott to that short list of late-'70s/early-'80s guitarists who used chorus tastefully.Oh, yes. It is still a short list, though, IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 During the wilder, instrumental section, Andy is playing chords through a Roland guitar synthesizer. It sounds like a big filter sweep. MMMWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH MMMWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBLA Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Hi Mike, I was checking out your website, which is very well done btw, and I noticed you playing a Strat with a Floyd. Is that a Fender American or Mexican? I've been wanting get one of those but haven't been able to find one anywhere but online. How do you like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundWrangler Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Summers is said to have used the "Boss CE-1 Chorus Ensemble" pedal in earlier Police years (which appeared in 1977 & was predecessor to the baby-blue CE-2 chorus pedal that was everywhere in the early 80's). However, that particular track does indeed sound more complex, like he's got 2 similar devices in parallel or series. In his live rig about that time, he was playing the Tele, of course, & using a very full Peter Cornish pedalboard w/lots of routing possibilities, plus some rack delays etc. whose returns came up into a small mixer (Yamaha?) that he could access at the side of the stage. So, it's a good bit that the effect treatment on this studio track wasn't anything as simple as a single pedal! Check out this website for great info on his effects setup at the time. (BTW, they say he used an E-H Electric Mistress flanger pedal on "Don't Stand".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleCarlos Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I guess you are doing the original version right??? Anyone else like the 86' re-recording of "Don't Stand so .." I like both of the versions a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthetic Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 The only difference between a chorus and a flange is the amount of predelay. If you take a flanger and add a slight (10ms) delay before the input, that's a chorus. So you might be able to dial that Electric Mistress to get that chorus effect, if that's what he's using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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