Yngwie Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 When I was 15 years old, I decided to play the guitar after listening Yngwie`s guitar-playing. Usually, I play his music and style. I love it. But, today, he doesn`t respect like his year. He is still alive and his playing is also alive. What do you think about his recent play? Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 His style is not for everyone. He's consitently approached electric rock guitar thru Paganini's 24 Caprices. He has great chops, but like the Mariah Careys of the singing world he grabs a tune by the throat, wrestles it to the ground, and stomps all over it. That said, I do like some of the stuff he did with Alcatrazz and on his first solo record, when it was all still new. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel E. Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 I thought his first solo record was really good - the songs without vocals anyway. His subsequent stuff got worse and worse IMHO. Some really bad cheese metal. I used to be really impressed by his technique when I was young and that allowed me to overlook some truly terrible songwriting. He was very influential but hasn't done anything new since 1984. "You never can vouch for your own consciousness." - Norman Mailer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 Not only that, the guy's a total @$$h01e when people don't fit his criteria of perfect musicianship. What a crock... Thankfully, most "shredders" that came after him (also, many before him as well, like Steve Morse) were more forgiving of musical trends and took things with a sense of humor. Particularly funny was the article where YJM mentioned that Steve could play the "fuckin' banjo". Anyone have a copy of that? sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuskBuffer Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 I haven't heard anything new from him, so I can't comment on that. What I have heard, though, I can only take so much of before it all starts sounding like the same thing over and over again. Don't get me wrong, the guy is amazing, with his classical style metal playing. I hear he's a maniac on stage, too. I've also heard all the stories about him being....uh....not such a nice guy, but that doesn't affect my opinion of his playing. Maybe if he used a TuskBuffer pick, he'd cheer up a bit and expand his playing style! You've got the best guitar You've got the best amp Now get the best pick! http://www.tuskbuffer.net TuskBuffer Mammoth Ivory Guitar Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMcGuitar Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 Originally posted by TuskBuffer: Maybe if he used a TuskBuffer pick, he'd cheer up a bit and expand his playing style!Oooo.... Shameless self-promotion! May all your thoughts be random! - Neil www.McFaddenArts.com www.MikesGarageRocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I liked Rising Force and listened to it a lot when it was new, liked the video of the live tour even better. I don't have anything against Yngvie at all...he can play but the people who try to be like him both in playing style and attitude are extremely lame. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeVW Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 He certainly operates the machine well. His music, however, simply doesn't speak to me. Being able to do 4-octave diminished sweep arpeggios at breakneck tempos is a rather specialized skill, and I can certainly appreciate the mechanics of it, but I'd much rather listen to Hubert Sumlin backing up Howlin' Wolf, or Dave Tronzo turning the envelope inside out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by tazzola: "Not only that, the guy's a total @$$h01e when people don't fit his criteria of perfect musicianship. What a crock... " "Particularly funny was the article where YJM mentioned that Steve could play the "fuckin' banjo". Anyone have a copy of that?" I'm sure I've got it in print somewhere, but forgive me for not searching for it. As it is, though, I do remember that he was putting down Steve Morse's technical abilities as inferior, stating specifically that Mr. Morse had a terrible vibrato and thus "should play the f#@ He has referred to Steve Vai's playing as sounding "muddy", and feels that there is no place for electric bass played without a pick. Spells "moron" and "dorf" with no true understanding of music to me. A friend and fellow guitarist who was an adoring and idolizing fan went to see him live years ago, and came away disillusioned and feeling sorry for anyone having to work with him. I'll spare you the details. I find such routinely pathetic PR-schtick to be inane and annoying, even if it's just an act, and thus I can not tolerate listening to ANYTHING that the great Swedish horse's ass has to say, even if he says it with a guitar. Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Chops? Yes - in abundance. Feel? Sorry - nope. His playing doesn't move me either. And vibrato? I'd rather hear BB King play and milk one note than hear YJM play for an hour. BB says a lot more with one note than YM has in his whole career. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Oh, and he does come across as a complete horse's ass when he gets interviewed. Look up "egotist" in the dictionary and I wouldn't be surprised if his name isn't listed as one of the definitions. It gets old fast when in every interview he talks about how great HE is while simultaneously bagging on several other accomplished players. Yngwie M, music isn't as big a competition as you apparently think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRAMMY Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Phillip says all in a sentence,,,,,,,,,,,i'm hearing right know a cassete with YM .....and i have a big question,,i like the playing of MARTI FREEDMAN,,,,,i have CACOPHONY and YM has some solos and an acoustic arabian solo Some solos have the same sound in cacophony and Rust in peace solo guitar=arabian. Who had influenced or copy of each other,,,,,,i'll search the titles and post that if someone wnat to hear the IDENTICAL COPY SORRY FOR THE ENGLISH NI SI,,,,,NI NO,,,,,,SINO TODO LO CONTRARIO............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRAMMY Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 WHO WAS FIRST,THE YNGWIE'S SOLOS THAT I MENTIONED OR MARTY'S SOLOS??????????????? NI SI,,,,,NI NO,,,,,,SINO TODO LO CONTRARIO............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by GRAMMY: Phillip says all in a sentence,,,,,,,,,,,i'm hearing right know a cassete with YM .....and i have a big question,,i like the playing of MARTI FREEDMAN,,,,,i have CACOPHONY and YM has some solos and an acoustic arabian solo Some solos have the same sound in cacophony and Rust in peace solo guitar=arabian. Who had influenced or copy of each other,,,,,,i'll search the titles and post that if someone wnat to hear the IDENTICAL COPY SORRY FOR THE ENGLISH BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by GRAMMY: Phillip says all in a sentence,,,,,,,,,,,i'm hearing right know a cassete with YM .....and i have a big question,,i like the playing of MARTI FREEDMAN,,,,,i have CACOPHONY and YM has some solos and an acoustic arabian solo Some solos have the same sound in cacophony and Rust in peace solo guitar=arabian. Who had influenced or copy of each other,,,,,,i'll search the titles and post that if someone wnat to hear the IDENTICAL COPY SORRY FOR THE ENGLISH I'm interested in comparing the solo's you mention. I don't believe that Marty Friedman is a copy-cat, but I'm not willing to step up to the plate and cast the first stone at YM without proof either. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 It's only fair that I add that Y.J.M. is obviously a very dexterous, accomplished player with a great grasp on sheer technical ability. He's very fast and has excellent note execution. His songwriting sensibilities are third rate. His solos are all hot air, devoid of any but the most superficial soap-operific hystrionic emoting. His pompousness comes through his playing, LOUD and clear. He would have starved to death as a musician in the Mississipi Delta, unless they poisoned, stabbed, shot, and beat him to death, on a bridge, very early in his career... Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by CaevanO'Shite: He would have starved to death as a musician in the Mississipi Delta, unless they poisoned, stabbed, shot, and beat him to death, on a bridge, very early in his career... What about being poisoned, shot, drowned, burried, dug up, incenerated and his ashes shot toward Siberia? BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Ah, I was alluding to all the speculated causes of death for Robert Johnson, and he was liked, as a musician. I think Angwy would have been runt-out an'kilt fer'is playin'. You seem to allude to Rasputin. Hmmmnn... Yngwie... back from the grave... can't shut him up... shudder-shudder... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolead Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I like Yngwie a lot, but I can see exactly why he isn't for everyone, but I respect him a lot. His style is so technical and articulate it makes feel like I suck, but at the same time it lacks the soul of a great slow violin piece, but his speed and precision are unsurpassed. I love arpeggios and baroque music. Shut up and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by bluestrat: Originally posted by CaevanO'Shite: He would have starved to death as a musician in the Mississipi Delta, unless they poisoned, stabbed, shot, and beat him to death, on a bridge, very early in his career... What about being poisoned, shot, drowned, burried, dug up, incenerated and his ashes shot toward Siberia? Was Rasputin a cocky, overplaying guitarist, too? I have heard precious little of Mr. Malmsteen's playing, but if what many of you are saying is true, I'm glad that I haven't heard more. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by CaevanO'Shite: Ah, I was alluding to all the speculated causes of death for Robert Johnson, and he was liked, as a musician. I think Angwy would have been runt-out an'kilt fer'is playin'. You seem to allude to Rasputin. Hmmmnn... Yngwie... back from the grave... can't shut him up... shudder-shudder... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!yes, the mad monk Rasputin. I guess it couldn't have been any worse of a fate than being burned alive at the stake! BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Oh, man, I love real baroque, classical, romantic, Renaissance, etc., but Malmsteen is just irritating! He can play with great precision, but I can't imagine he's very flexible or versatile at all. And when I bought Trilogy years ago, I wound up skipping to just the solos, on only a few songs. He should have made an instructional vid, not an album! The songs themselves proved to be unlistenable with only a few turns. Want a "virtuoso" player who's actually tasteful and has great feeling and versatility? Listen to Michael Schenker on U.F.O.'s Obsession, an obvious influence on Y.J.M., along with Uli John Roth and Ritchie Blackmore. Want Baroque? Listen to Bach's "Brandenburgh Concertos" # 4, 5, and 6. Along with Vivaldi's Four Seasons and Stravinski's The Rite of Spring, my favorite "classical" music examples. Want a real "virtuoso" player who could probably cop anything Y.J.M. could do, but not vice-versa? Alan Holdsworth. Probably the most proficient and deeply thoughtful guitarist on the planet, and thoroughly musical and three-dimensional. Certainly far, far more significant and groundbreaking. Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMcGuitar Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Caevan - I agree with most of what you said here, but I'd add Steve Morse to the list of technically stunning with the soul to back it up. (BTW, "Rite of Spring" is Romantic, not Baroque - about 140 years difference...) May all your thoughts be random! - Neil www.McFaddenArts.com www.MikesGarageRocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Jew Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Ying yang... he plays really fast. Woo. It makes me wonder if there are any notes he DOESN'T play.... What was the question? \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I can see that Neil has taken a course in music appreciation, but I think that Stravinski was more in the modern era. Schubert and Brahms were of the Romantic era. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicman Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 With enough practice anyone can learn to play the guitar fast. big deal. I remember listening to Rising force once and then setting it aside never to be listened to again. "I believe that if it were left to artists to choose their own labels, most would choose none." - Ben Shahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I vehemently disagree with those who says YM has no feel on the guitar...maybe he just goes through the motions these days, I'll admit I haven't heard anything new...but he was certainly VERY capable of delivering feel and emotion in his playing. My dad who's opinion I respect more than anyone in the world got goosebumps listening to live Yngvie and said he liked it...that's plenty of validation for me. Is he an asshole? yeah, based on what I know probably very much so. Has he grown as a player? probably not. Should everything he ever played be written off as pyrotechnic wanking...HELL NO. You shouldn't say the guy's music is worthless just because it doesn't appeal to you personally. Just like Yngvie shouldn't write off Ry Cooder, he probably doesn't...I think a lot of YM's attitude is for show...certainly not all but at least some of it. I really don't care who he is...he made some great music. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thrashole Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Yngwie was a badass. rising force was one of the best guitar albums in history as far as i'm concerned. His instrumentals were absolutely Jawdropping especially for his time. He was around a long time before marty friedman though. He was in Alcatrazz as well as steeler before forging his own path. Reach out and grab a clue. Something Vicious My solo crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by NMcGuitar: Caevan - I agree with most of what you said here, but I'd add Steve Morse to the list of technically stunning with the soul to back it up. (BTW, "Rite of Spring" is Romantic, not Baroque - about 140 years difference...) I don't think that Caevan was suggesting that Le Sacre du Printemps (The Rite of Spring) was from the Baroque period, just that it was among his favorite "classical" pieces, classical in the broad sense, not the "Classical" period between the Baroque and Romantic periods. - Note: Some people use the term "serious music," since "classical" is ambiguous. This is not meant to imply that other music forms are not serious. Stravinsky's "Spring" is acknowledged to be the first orchestral work in the modern, atonal period of "serious" music. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hariseldon Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 IM has been one of the best guitar players ever, at least technically speaking. The solos in Rising Force are amazing and I do think they have some feel. However, the songs suck over and over and one can easily get bored of virtuosism. Apart from that in the last twenty years he hasn't done anything even worth listening to. In this time lots of players have surpassed him in technique and thousands more in inspiration. If you listen to Joe Pass or Django, now that's unsurpassable virtuosity. As for Yngwie's approach to classical music listen to any of Jacques Loussier's Trio albums and I bet you'll surely hear the difference.ç Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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