myles_rose Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 This place is no "big secret" to a lot of you, but for some that don't know about them, I thought I'd point it out. Some of you know me from Guitar Amplifier Blueprinting (where these folks are one of the preferred vendors on my own website), and some of you may know me from Groove Tubes, where I am the head of the SAG and their tech support ..... so I have some pretty decent access to tubes, including over maybe 50,000 NOS tubes. BUT, I still come here a few times a month and refer a lot of folks here: http://users.erols.com/bluestat/index.htm#index Why ... ???? GREAT finds, a lot of times for less than what I can get these NOS tubes for! My own comments are in ( comment .....) "brackets" Some of the current bargains I found here today were: NOS RCA 12AX7/As--------------------------------------$ 50 Original boxes. Great original equipment tubes for Fenders and other guitar amps. A few 1950s blackplates in stock. ( these tubes above have the carbonized nickel plates, and are just about as smooth and long lasting as anything you can imagine. I prefer them to Telefunkens and Mullards in a lot of amps, especially amps with less than 200 plate volts, such as Black and Silver Face Fender amps) .................................................................................................. NOS JAN GE 12AX7WA--------------------$ 30 each Great guitar amp and audiophile tube. Very sweet sounding with a smooth top end. Very low in microphonics and noise. (this is perhaps my favorite affordable NOS tube in almost all amps) .................................................................................................. NOS RFT 12AX7/ECC83 (East Germany)------------$ 25 each VERY nice guitar amp tube in this price range. A bit less clean headroom than some of the others. Perfect for Marshalls, Voxes and clones of these amps. Sound nice in Fenders and Fender clones too. Limited supply on hand. .................................................................................................. NOS JAN Philips ECG 12AX7WA-------------$ 16 each Great guitar amp tubes. I recommend these to everyone. Nice and "fat" sounding, higher gain. Creamy when overdriven. (Maybe this is my favorite also, as it is even less than the GE tube, and cheaper than the retail on a lot of our own new tubes. I use a lot of these, more than the GE version actually) .................................................................................................. NOS Mullard CV4004 (12AX7)---------$ 52 add $5 for matched triodes (preferred for stereo applications and phase inverters) Matched pairs $120. British military spec'd version of the 12AX7 with box plates! Excellent guitar amp or audiophile tube. This is a sweet sounding tube which is in short supply. Some players prefer these to the Mullard ECC83/12AX7s!!! Also an excellent selection for audiophiles. These are more extended range than the Mullard ECC83/12AX7. Just got a pile of them in from England. (Some folks want to go over the top. I guess this a tube for those folks. In older circuits without a lot of junk in the signal chain, these make the biggest impact. If you have a modern high front end gain amp such as a Rivera or Bogner, you will notice less of a difference with these, than in a Tweed Fender or AC-30 as an example) .................................................................................................. NOS GE JAN 5751--------------------$ 15 NOS JAN Philips 5751---------------$ 15 NOS JAN Sylvania 5751-------------$ 15 (all of these are a steal) (typical gain in 1957 was that the 5751 had about 70% of a 12AX7's gain, but today, current 12AX7's are so down on gain, that some 5751's are higher in gain than as much as 80% of the new 12AX7's. The other great aspect of any of these 5751's, is as a whole, their rise times and compression characteristics are really gorgeous .... that is why SRV loved 'em ... and they are usually very nicely balanced right out of the box) .................................................................................................. NOS RCA 5751--------------$ 36 1950/60/70s black plate version. The best! Only a few in stock. (Carbonized Nickel plates .... cost more, but last at least a decade or more in Fender plate voltage amps of less than 200 volts such as the Black Face and Tweeds.) These are really terrific items if you are looking for an amazing 5751, but the others above are a lot nicer than a lot of things you will find. Some folks are trying to reissue "new" 5751's. So far in my own tests and studies, they look and trace like a 12AX7, just relabelled, and probably cost more than the three KCA has listed above). Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Thanks for the reference, Myles... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 Originally posted by Tedster: Thanks for the reference, Myles...Tedster .... you're welcome .... Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 Miles, would any of these work well in my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe? If so, which ones? Thanks, Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halljams Posted July 13, 2002 Share Posted July 13, 2002 Myles... can you recommend a great audiofile 12AY7 tube? Thanks. Check out SUPERVIBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 16, 2002 Author Share Posted July 16, 2002 Originally posted by Dylan: Miles, would any of these work well in my Fender Hot Rod Deluxe? If so, which ones? Thanks, DylanDylan, Any of them would be a big improvement over the stock Sovtek 12AX7WA's that come as standard in these amps. Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 16, 2002 Author Share Posted July 16, 2002 Originally posted by halljams: Myles... can you recommend a great audiofile 12AY7 tube? Thanks.halljams .... I would call Mike over at KCA. Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Thanks for the reference! Hey Myles, I'm going to be in L.A. in a couple of weeks for a gig, I'd love to meet you while I'm out there (7/26 thru 8/4 - the gig is 7/27). I won't be bringing any of my own amps unfortunately, boy would I love to have you go through my blackface Pro Reverb but I guess I'll just leave it with my local tech and have him go through it with a fine tooth comb. I'd still love to meet ya though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 16, 2002 Author Share Posted July 16, 2002 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Thanks for the reference! Hey Myles, I'm going to be in L.A. in a couple of weeks for a gig, I'd love to meet you while I'm out there (7/26 thru 8/4 - the gig is 7/27). I won't be bringing any of my own amps unfortunately, boy would I love to have you go through my blackface Pro Reverb but I guess I'll just leave it with my local tech and have him go through it with a fine tooth comb. I'd still love to meet ya though!Lee ..... I amp more than up on getting together. Drop me an email when you are ready, or give me a call at Groove Tubes (818) 361-4500 .... just ask for me. If you would like to use my Fender Pro Reverb for your gig here, you are more than welcome. It has been tricked out with 7025's and AT7 MPI, and 6L6GE's that were hand picked by me on our curve tracer. It has casters, so is not even too hard to lug around! There is a picture of it at: http://www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com/equipment.html with a Univalve on top, so the bottom of the Fender is cut off a bit. If you want to use any of the other stuff, that can be arranged too, other than the big racked Rivera stuff, unless you have a crew to pick it up and bring it back, as just the 8 space rack with the two Rivera amps in it is about 200 pounds ... and it is UPSTAIRS! Any of the other stuff is pretty easily movable. Just let me know ... Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 16, 2002 Share Posted July 16, 2002 Wow Myles, you rock! Thank you so much for the generous offer... the club we are playing will have a backline that includes a Vox AC-30 so I'll be using that. What I could really use is a Les Paul, I don't know that I want to bring my '52 for a one-off thing like that although I'm still considering it so long as I can carry it on the plane. Your Pro looks very much like mine! And as you know I put 6L6GE's in it and 7025's as well. Anyhow I will definitely drop you an email when it gets close and we'll get together! Also some of the folks from these forums are getting a lunch or dinner party together for us at a restaurant to be determined... if you'd like to attend and meet some of the other forum folks, you can go here for information and to vote on a day when you can attend. Thanks! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subspacerecording Posted July 17, 2002 Share Posted July 17, 2002 I went to the neighborhood electronics shop yesterday to test the tubes from my Twin. It needed a 12AT7, so they took me to their back room to find one. Two 10' long x 8' high storage racks filled with NOS tubes occupied the back wall. I tested a box of 12AT7s and picked out an RCA, as well as ran across a stray RCA 12AX7. $6 each. I think I'm gonna like this place. Myles, that last photo of the GT rack amp looks very similar to my original SWR studio head. Is there a connection there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Wow Myles, you rock! Thank you so much for the generous offer... the club we are playing will have a backline that includes a Vox AC-30 so I'll be using that. What I could really use is a Les Paul, I don't know that I want to bring my '52 for a one-off thing like that although I'm still considering it so long as I can carry it on the plane. Your Pro looks very much like mine! And as you know I put 6L6GE's in it and 7025's as well. Anyhow I will definitely drop you an email when it gets close and we'll get together! Also some of the folks from these forums are getting a lunch or dinner party together for us at a restaurant to be determined... if you'd like to attend and meet some of the other forum folks, you can go here for information and to vote on a day when you can attend. Thanks! LeeLee.... a few things..... For a guitar if you want to borrow one ( I would not bring a 52 LP on a plane either and would not even gig with it ever myself ).... I have a few LP Customs ..... a pretty nice playing white/gold one, which is my favorite. Actually, it is a lot more yellow than white from age. A PRS Standard 22, but a bit different than their "standard", as it has a maple top, even though it has a gold finish on the top. There are some photos of that one on my website at: http://www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com/equipment2.html It does what my LP's do, but is more versitile with the PRS wiring. If you want to go with the P-90 setup like your LP, then I also can loan you a PRS that is the McCarty thicker body, that does not have a maple top. This can be seen at: http://www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com/equipment.html It also has the wide/fat neck. This guitar sounds very close to Michael Bloomfield's old Gibson LP with the P-90's that were in there (his gold top), and the pickups in this guitar were wired with the same wire, gauge, turns, and varnish compound as those pickups. The resonant frequency of the body and neck is also witin 2 hertz of what was his LP Standard. My Pro is now set up for the most part as yours is .... GE's and 7025's. You can borrow that too if you want to use an A/B/Y switch with the AC-30 and have both, as they are very different amps. If you wish, before your gig, I can come to the sound check and set things up for the room, but then I usually bail out, as I am used to seeing a lot of groups in enough sound checks and setups that in a week, its like seeing a long concert anyway. If you guys are my sort of style at the sound check, then I'd stick around. About six months ago, I was at an Al Dimeola (probably spelled that wrong) concert. After the first three songs I had to get out of there. He is an amazing player, but not my style. It was like overload of sensory input or something. Sometimes with all the flash and speed I have to ask myself .... is the player practicing, or just all over the fretboard looking for the "right note" ? To me, one long note that changes, and is played with feeling, is worth 1000 64th note tripplets. I guess I am too old .... just a blues, rock, and Frisco Acid Rock era sort of dork that is tuck in his ways ... or Roy Buchanan ... or the Illinois Speed Press, Quicksilver, Jefferson Airplane (before they got Grace Slick), Electric Flag, etc. Roy could be speedy and flashy, but knew when to slow down. Regards, Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by subspacerecording: I went to the neighborhood electronics shop yesterday to test the tubes from my Twin. It needed a 12AT7, so they took me to their back room to find one. Two 10' long x 8' high storage racks filled with NOS tubes occupied the back wall. I tested a box of 12AT7s and picked out an RCA, as well as ran across a stray RCA 12AX7. $6 each. I think I'm gonna like this place. Myles, that last photo of the GT rack amp looks very similar to my original SWR studio head. Is there a connection there?subspacerecording .... On your tubes ... you found a gold mine. Keep it secret My GT STP-G is indeed related to your SWR. Aspen and Steve (SWR) are very close friends. Decades ago they were together at Acoustic Amplifiers. Aspen was also the very first Guitar Center manager when there was only ONE GC on Sunset ... and NOT where that store is now by the way ... Aspen developed the STP-G (studio tube preamp - guitar) and Steve went off, formed SWR, and the SWR version for bass was then an SWR product that was developed specifically for bass. So, you are 100% correct ... they are related, born from the same parents, and produced on the same line. Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 Wow Myles, you totally rock! I would love to use one of your LP's... I'm sure the PRS with the P90's would sound more like my '52, but it's the feel that I'm most concerned with, I just can't see playing a PRS cuz I never do, LP's just "feel right" to me more than anything cuz I've played them for so long. I have had 70's Customs before and was quite happy with them so that would be a beautiful thing! We will probably not get much, if any, sound check, and the gig will only last about a half hour. They don't like any switchover of amps or anything because it's part of a festival where the bands have to change over quickly. Our set should be pretty mellow though because we're the first band to go on after a break of several hours. So we can set up at our leisure. I know what you mean about guys like DiMeola... not at all my thing either. I think you would like this guy's stuff (this is not my regular band that I'm playing with, our bass player and I are backing another local singer/songwriter named Paul Melancon), he has really good pop song craftsmanship and a SWEET voice. This is very song oriented stuff, not flash at all, and I'm not a flash guitar player either, the parts I'm playing on Paul's stuff are more like Mike Campbell from Tom Petty's band, that sort of thing. Paul is really into the Beatles, Alex Chilton, Crowded House, Squeeze and the like. But anyhow I am totally moved by your generous offer, it's looking like we will be having a lunch/dinner at around 2-3 PM that day with some of the forum folks, so hopefully that would make it worth your while to schlep your guitar down there. I'll be in touch with you very soon! Mylez rulez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 18, 2002 Author Share Posted July 18, 2002 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Wow Myles, you totally rock! I would love to use one of your LP's... I'm sure the PRS with the P90's would sound more like my '52, but it's the feel that I'm most concerned with, I just can't see playing a PRS cuz I never do, LP's just "feel right" to me more than anything cuz I've played them for so long. I have had 70's Customs before and was quite happy with them so that would be a beautiful thing! We will probably not get much, if any, sound check, and the gig will only last about a half hour. They don't like any switchover of amps or anything because it's part of a festival where the bands have to change over quickly. Our set should be pretty mellow though because we're the first band to go on after a break of several hours. So we can set up at our leisure. I know what you mean about guys like DiMeola... not at all my thing either. I think you would like this guy's stuff (this is not my regular band that I'm playing with, our bass player and I are backing another local singer/songwriter named Paul Melancon), he has really good pop song craftsmanship and a SWEET voice. This is very song oriented stuff, not flash at all, and I'm not a flash guitar player either, the parts I'm playing on Paul's stuff are more like Mike Campbell from Tom Petty's band, that sort of thing. Paul is really into the Beatles, Alex Chilton, Crowded House, Squeeze and the like. But anyhow I am totally moved by your generous offer, it's looking like we will be having a lunch/dinner at around 2-3 PM that day with some of the forum folks, so hopefully that would make it worth your while to schlep your guitar down there. I'll be in touch with you very soon! Mylez rulez! Lee... No problem ... I understand the deal with the setups on stage and the fast turn-around. I'd be happy to bring the LP Custom. The nut is a bit high, as I sometimes setup the guitar with flatwounds for slide, but with 9's on it using Ernie Balls or D'Adarrio's (probably spelled that wrong), it plays great. Just drop me an email at techsupport@groovetubes.com or you can call me here any time at 818-361-4500 ... just ask for "Myles" and somebody will find me. The lunch/dinner thing would be great, and the time is great to give me an excuse for a shorter day! It would also be great to meet some more folks from the forum. Who knows, I may give out a few free matched phase inverters or graded SAG tubes West L.A. is sort of a piece of cake, the only bad aspect, is that my mom lives there, so I may have to stop by there to say hello to her to allieve (probably spelled that wrong too) my guilt. Keep in touch. Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted July 18, 2002 Share Posted July 18, 2002 What a great solution to the traveling Les Paul problem! So you're into Quicksilver, Myles? That was some wild rig Cipollina used to play, with the weird trumpet like Wurli horns and that. Here's a picture of it: http://www.johncipollina.com/rock.html A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 19, 2002 Author Share Posted July 19, 2002 Originally posted by Ted Nightshade: What a great solution to the traveling Les Paul problem! So you're into Quicksilver, Myles? That was some wild rig Cipollina used to play, with the weird trumpet like Wurli horns and that. Here's a picture of it: http://www.johncipollina.com/rock.html Ted .... I was a total Quicksilver fan. I loved his playing that later on so many other Bay area groups tried to emulate. Thanks for the link. If you are ever in L.A., you can borrow any of my "junk" too.... Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 19, 2002 Share Posted July 19, 2002 Myles, you are a god among men. I've been totally floored by the generosity and goodwill of everybody on these forums. There are just too many good people here, I wish I could clone myself and live in a bunch of different cities so I could get to know more of you better! And of course I'd be more than happy to return the hospitality if anybody wants to visit Atlanta. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myles_rose Posted July 23, 2002 Author Share Posted July 23, 2002 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Myles, you are a god among men. I've been totally floored by the generosity and goodwill of everybody on these forums. There are just too many good people here, I wish I could clone myself and live in a bunch of different cities so I could get to know more of you better! And of course I'd be more than happy to return the hospitality if anybody wants to visit Atlanta. --LeeLee, My wife loves Atlanta .... maybe we'll get out your way. Myles Myles S. Rose www.guitaramplifierblueprinting.com www.la-economy.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/mylesr www.twitter.com/myles111us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 24, 2002 Share Posted July 24, 2002 Hey Myles! I sent you an email last night but it got returned! Don't know what's up with that. But anyway, if you are planning to go to the lunch on Saturday you should check this thread: http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=006885 and confirm whether or not you are going, cuz they're making reservations. See ya soon! And I'd be happy to hang with you and your wife in Atlanta! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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