10 questions

[GuitarWolf]

Questions:

 

1.Some guitars have switches were u can switch from neck pick up to all the other pups, what about guitars like les pauls that only have treble and rhythm switch, what does that do? i didnt notice a difference when i played one

 

2. Humbucker is parallel connected? what does that mean?

 

3. Can you split a guitar with to humbuckers into 2 single pups by setting it center?

 

4. Why is Ibanez so bad? alot of the screaming neurotic...ermm... i mean "bands" i like use Ibanez guitars

 

5. Is having a Downshifter D-Tuner important?

 

6. I saw a mint condition used Fender American strat on for $900 can. that seemed like a good deal for a pro guitarist...hehe

 

7. If a guitar sounds good, looks good, and feels good to me but i dont know anything about the brand name is it a good idea to buy it?

 

8. Why does Ozzys guitarist have 20 guitars that all look the same?

 

9. am i getting good if i can play a blink 182 song in 16th notes?

 

10. why do some guitars have only one humbucker?

[D_dup3]

(1)The standard Les Paul set-up w/two pickups toggle switches between the two pickups; the center position is both pickups.

(2) the signal runs through both coils simultaneously (I believe) rather than consecutively (which would be "in series"); this is what achieves the "humbucking" effect.

(3)No, that requires rewiring; the center position gives you both pickups.

(4)Opinions are opinions.

(5)If you need to "instantly" detune.

(6)And so...?

(7)If you (or a good friend) have a reasonable level of ability to make a decision (see #6) & you can afford it.

(8)So he can play the same solo "at home".

(9)Maybe...

(10-a)It's cheaper.

(10-b)Some folks (following the "lead"---my little joke ---of Eddie Van Halen) go for one type of sound, especially on stage; they may modify this w/outboard gear.

 

Do I win?

[Rim]

Just to add to d

 

1. The Treble setting is for the bridge pup only. The Rhythm setting is for the neck pup only. And yes, the center is for both.

 

5. Specifically, it'll tune the low E a whole step lower to D for the infamous "Drop D tuning".

 

7. Personally, do some research on the manufacturer. Quality is important. It may be a bad purchase if it doesn't sound/feel/look good for long. Since you've been "out of it", you may not know less known, but established manufacturers, like Schechter, that make good quality instruments.

 

A good rule of thumb is to try and get the same guitar as the guitarist who you most want to sound and play like. If you want to play like the "Ibanez bands", then get an Ibanez.

[Sylver]

Originally posted by D-Prime:

Questions:

 

1.Some guitars have switches were u can switch from neck pick up to all the other pups, what about guitars like les pauls that only have treble and rhythm switch, what does that do? i didnt notice a difference when i played one

LPs switch is three position, I believe. Rhythm is the neck p'up, treble is the bridge, and the middle position is both. A Strat has three p'up and a 5 position switch. the combos are neck, neck middle, middle, middle bridge and bridge. These are general standard configs, so these set ups may vary do to customazations.

 

2. Humbucker is parallel connected? what does that mean?

This is an electronics term, meaning that the same connection is connected to the same side of both pick ups instead of going through one, then through the next one(series). If you don't get this concept, don't sweat it.

 

3. Can you split a guitar with to humbuckers into 2 single pups by setting it center?

Some Humbucking Pickups are designed that they can be split into a single coil. It's called coil tapped, and you would technically only be using half of the humbucker. Quite a few guitars with two humbuckers are set up this way. Ibanez does this on almost all of thier two humbucker models.

 

4. Why is Ibanez so bad? alot of the screaming neurotic...ermm... i mean "bands" i like use Ibanez guitars

Ibanez guitars aren't really that bad. We're just mostly snobs here. Seriously, though, I think a lot of the players here prefer guitars with more character. I feel like Ibanez guitars are sterile and don't have the same feel that say, a Strat, Tele, or an SG has. The mid to upper end Ibanez models are very well made guitars. As an analogy ... An Ibanez is like a Japanese made Motorcycle ... sleek, dependable and consistant. A Strat or a LP is more like a Harley Davidson. They have maintainance problems, they are noisey(Strats, at least), but they feel like a motorcycle(or a guitar, as the case may be). If you like the Ibanez, get one. We're a bunch of old farts around here anyway. What do we know?

 

5. Is having a Downshifter D-Tuner important?

Not to me. I think that most of "those" bands either have a 7 string for the low stuff, or have a bunch of guitars with the tuning they want for the song. IMO, it's pretty quick to drop your E string down to a D.

 

6. I saw a mint condition used Fender American strat on for $900 can. that seemed like a good deal for a pro guitarist...hehe

Not sure about the exchange rate, but a used Strat (2002 to about 1991) down here will be in the $500-650 range depending on condition, availablility and the year you want. That doen't include special editions and artist models.

 

7. If a guitar sounds good, looks good, and feels good to me but i dont know anything about the brand name is it a good idea to buy it?

 

Sure, why not? If you are unsure though, find a friend who plays and take them with you before you plunk down the dough.

 

8. Why does Ozzys guitarist have 20 guitars that all look the same?

Because he's an asshole. Go check out his website and you'll what I mean.

 

9. am i getting good if i can play a blink 182 song in 16th notes?

That, is something that you have to decide for yourself. I strive to be smooth, and meaningful when I play, not fast. And besides, a 16th note is a time division, so it really isn't a measure of speed. If you can play those 16th notes consistantly, I'd be much more impressed, rather than hear burst where you are in time, then loosing it, then getting it back. And on top of all that, what is good?

 

10. why do some guitars have only one humbucker?

Some people only use one p'up posistion and don't need more. It's kind of cool looking in a minimalist sort of way. I myself very rarely switch pickups. I use the neck position almost exclusively.

[Skip_dup1]

#2. Your pickups are powered by magnets which have a plus end and a minus end, like a circuit. Wired in parallel means current goes through a plus-plus-minus-minus sequence. Wired in series means current goes through each pickup (or circuit) end to end, plus-minus-plus-minus.

 

#7. I did just that last spring. I went to a music fair, got a bunch of information on guitars I had never heard of, and found one that had features I knew I wanted (a one-piece body, for example). I looked all over Tokyo, and had to call the manufacturer to find a place that had them. It was the most I ever spent for a guitar and I don`t regret it for a second, despite some initial setup quirks. The website, which I haven`t checked out yet, is www.killerguitar.com

I got the KG-scary, with maple fingerboard.

Don`t worry about brand name unless you plan on reselling it, or you`re a collector.

[Nollykin]

Originally posted by D-Prime:

Questions:

 

1.Some guitars have switches were u can switch from neck pick up to all the other pups, what about guitars like les pauls that only have treble and rhythm switch, what does that do? i didnt notice a difference when i played one

 

Yeah, that confused me initially also - turns out that treble and rythm switch is just like your 3 way humbuckler switch. rythm is the neck (I think), middle is both, treble is bridge.

 

2. Humbucker is parallel connected? what does that mean?

 

Dont ask me.

 

3. Can you split a guitar with to humbuckers into 2 single pups by setting it center?

 

like Yes - but it has to be built / wired into the guitar you are using and the pickups have to be right for it. if you dont wanna do a custom job, look at ibanez's. A lot of their mid - high end double pickup guitars (like S series and RG) do this, with a 5 way switch sometimes too.

 

4. Why is Ibanez so bad? alot of the screaming neurotic...ermm... i mean "bands" i like use Ibanez guitars

 

They arent! I myself love them. The motorcycles analogy is perfect. Ibanez are a bit like those little japanese cars (the WRX, the hondas, etc)... theyre beaut little mechines that can keep up with the best of em. and theyre all shiny and spiffy lookin. The others, strats, teles, LP's... theyre a bit like the old souped up hot rodded V8 Beasts you see around the joint. Theyre vintage, they are collectables, they need a little maintenance but they are worth more in the long run.

 

its up to you wether you have a thing for vintage cars.. erm.. guitars, or whether you like the new ones. Myself, Im a new age kid, and I like Ibanez, yamaha, etc. They suit me - I love the little tackers.

 

Buy what you think is right.

 

5. Is having a Downshifter D-Tuner important?

 

I guess not. But dont tune the E string up and down all the time. it wrecks it fast, and youll soon need a new string. If you wanna D, get another guitar and put a higher guage string on for the E... or just a whole high guage set and tune the whole damn mess down.

 

6. I saw a mint condition used Fender American strat on for $900 can. that seemed like a good deal for a pro guitarist...hehe

 

*shrug* I dont know.

 

7. If a guitar sounds good, looks good, and feels good to me but i dont know anything about the brand name is it a good idea to buy it?

 

Check out the brand name first - do research - ask us or a friend... someone will help you. Dont go buying guitars on impulse though

 

8. Why does Ozzys guitarist have 20 guitars that all look the same?

 

Because his guitarist is an idiot? Maybe... or he might get sponsored by the guitar company to play them all.

 

9. am i getting good if i can play a blink 182 song in 16th notes?

 

You play blink? *laughs* hehe. No, seriously... I would guess so, yes. (dont mind me... Im not a blink fan )

 

10. why do some guitars have only one humbucker?

Because it looks cool. and its cheaper. and yeah.

 

Nolly

[JimK]

8. Why does Ozzys guitarist have 20 guitars that all look the same?

He likes the look and feel of a Les Paul. They are not all the same, however. Some have different pickups, some are made of different wood, etc.

 

Keep this in mind (and my wife just doesn't understand this): if you bought five Les Pauls today and started playing all of them regularly, after a while, one of them would become your favorite and you'd begin to play that one the most. There's a lot of possible reasons for this. Even though the guitars are all made the same, the piece of wood your favorite one is made out of might just have a little something about it. Maybe the pickups are a little hotter, so it sounds better (the PUps are analog, by the way, so they all vary a little bit). Guitars have different character, even if they look the same. It's kind of like twin sisters. You may fall in love with one but not the other. Which is why it's important to play a guitar you're considering buying as much as you can in the store. You've got to find out it's characteristics. I don't know how anyone can buy a guitar from a catalog.

 

By the way, there's nothing wrong with Ibanez guitars. Like many guitar companies, they make great guitars and cheap guitars. I've played some that I didn't like at all. On the other hand, one of the greatest guitars I've ever played was an Ibanez. They can be very comfortable to play. Just don't expect them to sound like a strat or tele (which is wy many people here don't like them).

 

Jim

[Nollykin]

Originally posted by JimK:

by the way, there's nothing wrong with Ibanez guitars. Like many guitar companies, they make great guitars and cheap guitars. I've played some that I didn't like at all. On the other hand, one of the greatest guitars I've ever played was an Ibanez. They can be very comfortable to play. Just don't expect them to sound like a strat or tele (which is wy many people here don't like them).

 

Jim[/QB]

Exactly - they sound like an ibanez

[Gator Wing]

For Sylver.

 

Why don't Japanese manufactured motorcycles feel like a motorcycle? What about Japanese brand motorcycles manufactured (not just assembled) in the US? What do they feel like?

 

New H-D are not maintenance problems. They're as smooth and dependable as Japanese brands. H-D has been working on reducing that V-twin vibration. What about the Japanese manufactured parts in a H-D (such as Showa shocks)? How does that affect how a H-D feels like a motorcycle?

 

If you simply take the baffle out of any motorcycle's muffler, it will be louder than any stock H-D. There are plenty of US-made after-market exhausts for Japanese brands that are louder than a stock H-D. How does all that affect the "noisy" analogy?

 

In three words: your analogy sucks!

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[Nollykin]

Originally posted by gatorwing:

For Sylver.

 

Why don't Japanese manufactured motorcycles feel like a motorcycle? What about Japanese brand motorcycles manufactured (not just assembled) in the US? What do they feel like?

 

New H-D are not maintenance problems. They're as smooth and dependable as Japanese brands. H-D has been working on reducing that V-twin vibration. What about the Japanese manufactured parts in a H-D (such as Showa shocks)? How does that affect how a H-D feels like a motorcycle?

 

If you simply take the baffle out of any motorcycle's muffler, it will be louder than any stock H-D. There are plenty of US-made after-market exhausts for Japanese brands that are louder than a stock H-D. How does all that affect the "noisy" analogy?

 

In three words: your analogy sucks!

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SHHHHHHH!! Be quiet! You'll confuse him

[Tedster]

Originally posted by D-Prime:

Questions:

 

1.Some guitars have switches were u can switch from neck pick up to all the other pups, what about guitars like les pauls that only have treble and rhythm switch, what does that do? i didnt notice a difference when i played one

 

2. Humbucker is parallel connected? what does that mean?

 

3. Can you split a guitar with to humbuckers into 2 single pups by setting it center?

 

4. Why is Ibanez so bad? alot of the screaming neurotic...ermm... i mean "bands" i like use Ibanez guitars

 

5. Is having a Downshifter D-Tuner important?

 

6. I saw a mint condition used Fender American strat on for $900 can. that seemed like a good deal for a pro guitarist...hehe

 

7. If a guitar sounds good, looks good, and feels good to me but i dont know anything about the brand name is it a good idea to buy it?

 

8. Why does Ozzys guitarist have 20 guitars that all look the same?

 

9. am i getting good if i can play a blink 182 song in 16th notes?

 

10. why do some guitars have only one humbucker?

Good answers on most. I'll add...

 

4...Ibanez guitars aren't bad. Play what you like to play. There's a guy who gigs here in Kansas City that does a jump blues kinda thing that only plays hollowbody Harmonies. They fit his vibe.

 

7...Possibly, but, until you get your "gear legs"...I'd take someone with you who knows more. That's always a good idea...especially for beginners.

 

9...My 15 year old daughter wants to know if you wanna jam. She loves Blink, Sum 41 all along to Godsmack and Kittie. You're beginning to get good when you can hold your own with a band rhythm wise and feel comfy with the changes, and your attack doesn't suck. That said...there are different levels of "good". There's beginner good, on up to like John McLaughlin beyond conceivable good. I suppose when all is said and done...you're getting good when you play well enough to have fun at it.

 

10. Like the Tom Delonge Strat. Your sharper attack comes from the bridge humbucker. If your playing chunka chunka...that's the one you'll use. If that's all you play, why bother with another pickup? That's for us blues and jazz guys

[GuitarWolf]

9...My 15 year old daughter wants to know if you wanna jam. She loves Blink, Sum 41 all along to Godsmack and Kittie. You're beginning to get good when you can hold your own with a band rhythm wise and feel comfy with the changes, and your attack doesn't suck. That said...there are different levels of "good". There's beginner good, on up to like John McLaughlin beyond conceivable good. I suppose when all is said and done...you're getting good when you play well enough to have fun at it.

 

10. Like the Tom Delonge Strat. Your sharper attack comes from the bridge humbucker. If your playing chunka chunka...that's the one you'll use. If that's all you play, why bother with another pickup? That's for us blues and jazz guys

k, i think i need to ask/ clear up a few things... I dont really "like" Blink anymore, i used to like them when i was around 15-16, but i still think some of tom's guitar riffs are kool.

 

cant belive i didnt ask this before (call me an idiot if u want) but what exactly is action and attack?

[TurboDog]

Looks like you got your questions answered. Sylver was pretty dead on with his reply.

 

Don't listen to people who knock a particular guitar manufacturer. I've played some Ibanez models that were the easiest, smoothest playing guitars I've ever picked (and that's a shitload.) I played the high end Jem, and it was like butter. Much more smooth and easy playing than any Gibson I've tried (once again, shitloads). Most Ibanez's have hotter pups and were generally designed for more hard rocking than blues or country.

 

If you find a guitar that feels real nice and sounds real nice and it's a good price....buy it. If it plays and sounds great, well shit, what else is there?

[signal1000]

my $0.02.

 

I had an Ibanez 540 that was gorgeous. It was made in Japan and had much better craftsmanship than my American-made Fender guitars. I didn't like the way the neck felt and really wanted a strat, so I traded it for an American Standard Stratocaster. the strat has the tone and feel that I was looking for and is a nice guitar, but not built anywhere near to the quality of the Ibanez. My friend's father also had a Jem from the same era and it was a beautiful guitar. You could tell that whoever built it took great pride in their work.

 

In the past few years, large manufacturers like Fender and Ibanez have been producing much lower quality products. Fender got in legal trouble for their "foto-flame" guitars, and a lot of their guitar bodies were mulitple pieces of poplar glued together.

 

A lot of the Ibanez guitars are not produced in Japan anymore and/or to the same levels of quality that they were a few years ago. In the case of both Fender and Ibanez, I wonder if the pros who endorse them play the same models that they offer for sale. The Fender Custom Shops are much better made than the production versions. FWIW, The new Ibanez guitars that I've tried feel nothing like the ones produced a few years ago. Maybe the higher-end ones are still great, but I'd be very suspicious of the sub-$1000CDN ones personally. I think that corporate bottom-lines have become more important than quality, and all you have to do is open up a guitar and see for yourself.

 

However, if the guitar feels right, you like it, it gets the tone you want, and it's not too expensive, there's nothing wrong with getting it. In my case, I wish I'd known about Fenders practices in the '90s of the multi-piece glued together poplar bodies that they used in American Standard guitars. I have a strat that plays and sounds great, but the body is literally coming apart. Now I have to replace the body with a decent chunk of wood.

 

So, to answer your question about the used AS Strat for $900. I'd say that's a bit on the high-side. I've seen them here in town for around $750. If it's a '90s one (serial number starts with an "N" for nineties and the first integer tells you the year - N3 = '93), I'd advise staying away from it altogether due to the multi-piece body.

 

I have been impressed with the sound and playability of the Yamaha Pacificas. You have to play a ton of them until you find one that's nice, but the nice ones are amzing value. For around $300CDN you can get some great tones. James Peters here in town of Peters amps fame has three of them. You should check out the clips on his site of his Tele copy. He replaces the pickups and tuners on them, and after that they just scream. http://www.petersamps.com

[Dave da Dude]

Ibanez. I'll second the comment about cheap models and better models. I had a RG270?? (It was stolen, and I don't remember). It was nice and smooth and warm and this is coming from an acoustic player with a Martin D-18.

 

Recently when looking for a new electric, I tried a WHOLE lot of guitars and came to the conclusion that I wasn't truly happy with anything in my price range (the Ibanez I had stolen, insurance covered it, was about $700 in today's money. I bought it in 1987). Everyting I like was $500-$1,000. I just bought a Raven (Korean) with a nice easy (breaking in my fingertips again) action and H-S-H for playing around with different sounds. But EVERY manufacturer makes a cheap (not so good sounding) and a better (more expensive) model.

 

Like I always say, "What do you want to pay?" That's life. Play a wide range and you'll see what I mean. Probably over $1,000 (or $1,500) doesn't buy you much more in sound, just in fancy.

 

Oh yeah, the point, Ibanez makes some VERY good guitars, look at their "Artistic" (or whatever) series, with appropriate price tags. Oh yeah, another point, you can take the smoothest, warmest, most beautiful guitar in the world, process the hell out of it with effects and it will sound like the Ibanez' you're talking about.

 

Sorry about spouting off. Just in a wordy mood I guess, but Ibanez does make some good guitars.

[Tedster]

Hahaha...right now as I'm typing this "Stay Together For the Kids" is playing.

 

Well D...

 

Action is the distance between the bottom of the string and the crown of the fret. Most players desire a relatively low action...it's easier to press down the strings. Of course, the lower the action, the more prone to fret buzz.

 

Attack? Hmmm...I'm not sure here...but it seems attack would have something to do with your own technique. Do you hit the thing aggressively or use a milder approach? It could have something to do with the pickup response.

[GuitarWolf]

im playing rock/metal/punk songs on an acoustic so i hit very very hard

[Nollykin]

Originally posted by D-Prime:

im playing rock/metal/punk songs on an acoustic so i hit very very hard

You can get a nice sound without bashing your guitar - try hitting steady, but not hard... well.. hit hard, but dont THRASH... get a nice balance between "Kumbayaah" and "Cowboys from hell"

 

Nolly

[Sylver]

Originally posted by gatorwing:

For Sylver.

 

Why don't Japanese manufactured motorcycles feel like a motorcycle? What about Japanese brand motorcycles manufactured (not just assembled) in the US? What do they feel like?

 

New H-D are not maintenance problems. They're as smooth and dependable as Japanese brands. H-D has been working on reducing that V-twin vibration. What about the Japanese manufactured parts in a H-D (such as Showa shocks)? How does that affect how a H-D feels like a motorcycle?

 

If you simply take the baffle out of any motorcycle's muffler, it will be louder than any stock H-D. There are plenty of US-made after-market exhausts for Japanese brands that are louder than a stock H-D. How does all that affect the "noisy" analogy?

 

In three words: your analogy sucks!

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Thanks for your constructive critism on my down and dirty analogy. Note, that I really made no judgement on either the bikes or the guitars. I prefer Fenders to Ibanezs and I know many people who prefer Harleys over Japanese high tech bikes. And yes, a lot of the japanese manufacturers are mimicing Harleys these days, so it's a best of both worlds. As far as dependability goes, these days most American manufacturers are maintaining better QC in guitars, motorcycles, cars, etc. That doesn't change peoples perceptions of past history.

 

Now, if you want to riddicule me for trying to give a newbie some insite as to what makes one thing different from another, then:

 

Your "your analogy sucks" comment was inapproprite and uncalled for. Feel free to disagree with me and point it out, and offer counter view points. Perhaps even offer a better analogy. But saying my ananlogy sucks is just rude. That is the kind of behavior I expect from a poster on HC's forum. They don't mind that kind of thing there. This, however is a discussion group, not a flame group.

[Gator Wing]

Sylver,

 

Well, if this is a discussion group, feel free to answer the questions in my post.

 

What does preferring "Harleys over Japanese high tech bikes" have to do with guitars?

 

Note that I didn't flame you; I made no derogatory comments about you.

 

Your analogy is bad, and I said so.

[Nollykin]

Originally posted by gatorwing:

Sylver,

 

Well, if this is a discussion group, feel free to answer the questions in my post.

 

What does preferring "Harleys over Japanese high tech bikes" have to do with guitars?

 

Note that I didn't flame you; I made no derogatory comments about you.

 

Your analogy is bad, and I said so.

Gator, the fact of the matter is that he was trying to help us newbies out. I for one thought that his analogy was very good. so did most other people. The fact that you know more about bikes and can "prove him wrong" is irrelivant. I knew what he meant, and so did prime. so did other people. His analogy wasnt spot on accurate, but big deal! it got the point across...

 

if you ask me, Id say that you were just trying to prove subtly that you know more about motor bikes - but noone really cares. I know this post is rude, but so was yours. if you want to talk about bikes, go to a bike forum. it was a simple analogy and no more needed to go into it - your attack on sylvers post was, indeed, uncalled for and totally innappropriate... its not even on topic.

 

I dont like fights...

 

Nolly

[Gator Wing]

Nolly,

 

That's good that you like his analogy; but, I didn't see anyone else saying that it is a good analogy. So how do you conclude that "most other people" think it is good?

 

You're assuming I know more about bikes than Sylver. He may know much more than me! Also, I don't care what anyone here thinks of my knowledge of motorcycles. I'm not here to discuss motorycles. He may know something I don't, and I asked some questions of him. Hence, I'm not trying to prove Sylver wrong.

 

I do belong to a motorcycle forum, and I do discuss motorcycles in that forum. I didn't bring up the issue of motorcycles and guitars, Sylver did.

 

As far as my questioning Sylver's analogy, how can that be off-topic? His topic is an analogy using motorcycles and guitars.

 

If you and I had a dollar for every off-topic repsonse in a thread, and for every off-topic thread, we would both have two guitars and three amps, and you could fly here to the U.S., and we both could afford to attend the Musician's Institute and cover our living expenses. So, why aren't you complaining in all those other threads about off-topic responses?

 

Why is it OK for you to post a rude reply; but, not for someone else? You simply should not have replied. My post wasn't rude. I didn't say anything personally about Sylver. I said his analogy "sucks", meaning it was bad. I have read posts in this forum where stronger words were used against a person. Have you complained about those posts?

 

From my point of view, I am not fighting with Sylver. I simply asked him some questions because I don't agree with his analogy. I am not angry with Sylver. I will continue to read and enjoy his posts. If I state that Fenders with Kinman pick-ups are the best sounding guitars, and you posted that you don't agree, are you starting a fight?

 

Note that while I asked you questions, I have not written one rude, derogatory, and disparaging word about you.

[Sylver]

Gator.you caught me in a bad mood when I wrote that reply, sorry if it came off with more attitude than I would normally use. I guess the words "sucks" just offended me. Anyhow, I thought the analogy was valid for a quick answer to the question. It was not meant to be an "end all and be all" which, IMO, no analogy ever is. You clearly know more about motorcycles than I do, and any analogy falls apart under enought examination. The point I was trying to get across was that Ibanez guitars are very high tech, but generic. Guitars like Fenders and Gibsons(IMO) are a little more individual and let the players character come through a little more. At best any statement that one makes about ANY PRODUCT is highly subjective. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Don't make me come up there and kick your butt. Harrisburg is only a couple hours away.

 

Note: the above statement was only a joke, I'm a total pacifist(read: wussy)

[TurboDog]

Just for the record, I found the analogy to be very appropriate. You can really pick apart any analogy and find some things that don't relate. But the point of an analogy is to offer a different set of examples that may make more sense or offer a different angle. He did that.

 

If I had a choice, I'd get a bullet bike over a cruiser. I love speed. I'd also take a high end Jem over a vintage Strat. Call me crazy.

 

And, I'm still hunting that MOTHERFUCKER who dropped my next door neighbor off at 3AM in the morning on his Harley. He couldn't just coast in and drive off. He had to wake the whole neighborhood up with his macho busllshit antics.

 

Sorry for that rant, I just think it's totally rediculous how loud Harley owners make their pipes. Fucking rediculous.

[Gator Wing]

Sylver,

 

Just to be sure you and Nolly understand, I am not trying to antagonize you. I just didn't agree with what you said. Also, I do not like the H-D vs Japanese arguments/theories/whatever you call it.

 

If you come here, I will play my guitar and sing. Then you will be really sorry!!!! No joke, I am not very good at either. It will ruin your musical ear forever!!!!

[Gator Wing]

Originally posted by TurboDog:

If I had a choice, I'd get a bullet bike over a cruiser. I love speed.

 

And, I'm still hunting that MOTHERFUCKER who dropped my next door neighbor off at 3AM in the morning on his Harley. He couldn't just coast in and drive off. He had to wake the whole neighborhood up with his macho busllshit antics.

 

Sorry for that rant, I just think it's totally rediculous how loud Harley owners make their pipes. Fucking rediculous.

Your preference is called a sport bike. You might look at the following 3 cruisers - built for speed.

Boss Hoss - a cruiser style with a short block 350 c.i. Chevy for an engine.

Honda's 1800 VTX

H-D V-Rod

 

Yes, I agree with you about the loud pipes; your "rant" is perfectly reasonable. That is an ongoing argument in the motorcycle world. In Lake George, during Americade (a rally that draws 40 - 50 thousand bikes), the police will ticket any bike with straight pipes (no muffler) or no baffles in the muffler(s). They stop bikes coming into town, and the deed is done. Also, it isn't just H-D bikes that can be very loud. There are plenty of aftermarket exhaust systems to increase the noise of the exhaust, for both cruisers and sport bikes of almost all manufacturers.

[george costanza]

Sometimes my favorite parts of these forums are the DIScussions that occur off topic!

[Gator Wing]

Originally posted by george costanza:

Sometimes my favorite parts of these forums are the DIScussions that occur off topic!

LOL!

 

Yeah; but, I hate to DISappoint you, there is no DIS in my cussions (neither is there any per, so I'll never be in favor with Lee).

[Sylver]

Originally posted by gatorwing:

Sylver,

 

Just to be sure you and Nolly understand, I am not trying to antagonize you. I just didn't agree with what you said. Also, I do not like the H-D vs Japanese arguments/theories/whatever you call it.

 

If you come here, I will play my guitar and sing. Then you will be really sorry!!!! No joke, I am not very good at either. It will ruin your musical ear forever!!!!

We're cool, dude. No harm no foul.

[Nollykin]

My apologies - I didnt mean to go ballistic at you before gator. But, like sylver, that last little line there - using "sucks", so blatantly, came off to me as... mean? But I know now you hadnt intended to do so...

 

as for your "questions" - you dont need to chew me out - its okay. I was just trying to stick up for sylver - as he has helped me out many times - and seeing as this IS a forum, a place where text is typed over a long period of time, one reads what he reads, and thats what he reads... I mean, it looked mean t me, so I retalliated... but now that you have posted clearing things up, I can see what you meant.

 

Misunderstanding, I guess. And yeah, my post was rude, because I thought yours was - but I apologise now for being rude. And I apologise for misinterpreting your posts, but I'm only human - and hey... I wasnt the only one who did so.

 

Friends?

 

Nolly