ManInTheBox Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Who do we have today, keeping the guitar and it's playing history alive. I like the nu metal thing with their heavy riffs and everything, but it seems like they'll all be playing bass pretty soon. They have also negated the last thirty years that it took to get the guitar to center stage,as it is almost taboo to play a lead in a song nowadays. We have KennyWayneShepperd and JohnnyLang out there doing the blues thing, but do they have the staying power to keep the blues alive? DaveMustaine was right, the world does need a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim P. Dyndale Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Well... Of course there are guitar heroes!!!! Steven Lukather and Larry Carlton, of course... In my opinion they're the two best out there at the moment. (I reserve the right to be proven wrong on this over and over again...) Of course, there's also Jeff Beck, Pat Metheny, Michael Landau........ Plenty to choose from. Eric Clapton isn't too bad either Lukather is one of the most diverse and unique players out there. If you haven't heard of him, then you've missed out on some of the best guitar playing ever heard in the history of guitar playing. I'm going quit now, before I get too carried away -Joachim Dyndale -------------------- Einstein: The difference between genius and stupidity is: Genius has limits My Blog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joachim P. Dyndale Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Um... Did I mention that Lukather is quite good? And Larry Carlton? Really, I'm going to quit now... -Joachim Dyndale -------------------- Einstein: The difference between genius and stupidity is: Genius has limits My Blog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 I grew up back in 80s. Listened to Iron Maiden. My heroes were (and still are) Dave Murray and Adrian Smith. Then came Satch and Vai along with Edie, Nuno and Paul... Richie found his place here somewhere. Later I started to listen to King, Cray, SRV, Guy... Now... I'm just confused. I have so much heroes that I can't wrote them all. I agree that nowdays everybody seem to forget to play firs three strings. Dropped tunings, tuned down guitars, 7 strings... What's all that about . Steve was playing on all 7 strings if I remember correctly. And he started it with Universe!!! If it sounds god, just play the darn thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_dup3 Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 Originally posted by Mile: ... Dropped tunings, tuned down guitars, 7 strings... What's all that about . Steve was playing on all 7 strings if I remember correctly. And he started it with Universe!!!I've got three words for ya, pally (oops, channeling, Frank there for a moment !): George Van Eps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desoto Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Junior Brown! Seeing him live rocks my world. Mark Knopfler's last solo album, Sailing to Philadelphia was extremely tasty. And I could build a house on top of Keith Richards' rhythm playing. I don't need speed or blurred fingers to let me know when somebody is playing well. Good rhythm guitar playing speaks for itself. Did I mention Junior Brown? Amanda all americana EdithGrove.com www.mp3.com/edithgrove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Well, I took the post to mean "New" guitar heroes. Who are they? Don't know. I really thought the age of the guitar hero was dead a long time ago post-Cream-Hendrix, and when Zep seemed to be getting out of their long jam phase, etc. etc. Then Eddie came along. Then Stevie. Well, who's next? Heck, I dunno. My own personals were Johnny Winter, Duane, and Dickey. Oh, and those two guys from Liverpool who are both dead now, but made me want to pick up a guitar in the first place. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Dang. Modern Guitar Heroes? We have Qurt Qobain to thank for the current crop, really. A bunch of kids who grew up believing the attage "All you need to know to play guitar is power chords" A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat36 Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Currently I'm working on a hiphop-rock album with my cousin up here in Connecticut (I'm from Dallas). But, because there are so many guitar lovers out there with so little new guitar music to love, I've decided that I will also start working on a guitar-oriented hard rock album next with my old metalhead partner who co-writes and plays bass and lead vocals and is a tremendous engineer/producer as well. I figure it will be as modern-sounding as possible using all the production tricks and techniques I've learned over the years and incorporating elements of other music styles into it while retaining a highly aggressive driving force to it's overall sound. Man that was wordy. Anyway, to hear some examples of stuff I've written in the past, mostly old production tracks, go to this site that someone was nice enough to set up for anyone to upload their music to. My stuff is 'tomcat', of course. > http://baz.perlmonk.org/main.cgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGuitar Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 I believe there are still guitar heros out there. They simply aren't as widely heard now. My top three are Pat Metheney, John McLaughlin, and Angel Romero. First, Pat is one of the most innovative (instrument-wise) and talented guitarists out there. McLaughlin is indeed still kicking out the jams, playing mostly in Indian and jazz-fusion contexts now. And Romero is simply one of the best classical guitarists out there (actually, listen to his whole family). It just seems that the guitar hero has evolved. Those guitarists who now possess the virtuosity of a hero simply aren't playing rock and roll as much any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip_dup1 Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 A lot of players who have dedicated themselves to playing great guitar are up against the same old dilema-make guitar albums that will be heard mostly by other musicians or be in a popular group but play a supporting musical role (Journey, Mr. Big, etc). It`s a pain in the ass but it`s a question of, how much do you want to sell a wonkload of records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 This is true. "Smooth Jazz" is loaded w/ incredible players. Unfortunately, they gradually move from the fusion of the 70s to, well.... elevator music. That's just on record though - live they tend to jam out Originally posted by LDSGuitar: I believe there are still guitar heros out there. They simply aren't as widely heard now. My top three are Pat Metheney, John McLaughlin, and Angel Romero. First, Pat is one of the most innovative (instrument-wise) and talented guitarists out there. McLaughlin is indeed still kicking out the jams, playing mostly in Indian and jazz-fusion contexts now. And Romero is simply one of the best classical guitarists out there (actually, listen to his whole family). It just seems that the guitar hero has evolved. Those guitarists who now possess the virtuosity of a hero simply aren't playing rock and roll as much any more. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboDog Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Give Monte Montgomery a listen. He's only on his third (I think) record, so he's relatively new. And he's amazing. He's one of those guys who sounds like 3 guitarists playing at the same time. Not just multiple recording tracks either. This guy does it live. His CD Mirror was great. I need to get another copy, as I gave that to a girl once, and never got it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Originally posted by JoachimDyndale: Um... Did I mention that Lukather is quite good? And Larry Carlton? Really, I'm going to quit now... I believe the original poster was asking about the lack of "guitar heros" in the current crop of rock oriented groups. He has a point. One of my favorite albums is the now several years old "Throwing Copper" by Live. But, if you're familiar with it, there is absolutely NO lead guitar work worth mentioning on it! Fine guitar work, nonetheless, but no outstanding solos! The musicians that were mentioned have been around quite a while, for the most part, and are somewhat holding down the perverbial fort. Anyone else seems to be from the Eddie Van Halen school of "hammer/whammy/hyper-aimless" guitar solo construction! It IS time for someone to stand out a little more with something NEW, for a change! Whitefang -------------------------------------------------- "Klaatu! Barada nicto!" I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManInTheBox Posted June 4, 2002 Author Share Posted June 4, 2002 The post was started with the focus on new guys, hence the statement about carying the torch. I also mentioned kennyWayne, and JohnnyLang. I Agree that players like Pat Methany and BuddyGuy and all the guitar heroes of yore, are still important to the guitar community. But we need another StevieRay, to get the new breed to start looking for these guys. Remember when Edie was doing his thing, and then GeorgeLynch, and RandyRhodes, and everybody picked up their guitars trying to learn all this theory and techniue and stuff, then Slash came with his LesPaul and his version of the blues, and every body started saying MuddyWaters and JimiHendrix again. That's what I am talking about. Someone like Eddie, who can get people excited about the guitar today, or someone like Slash who can get them remembering about the guys who passed. When George Harrison died I had to explain to alot of people who he was, and I don't think I shaould have had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZoso74 Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 As with anything, a good thing can be milked to the point when its not substantial anymore. Bands like Nirvana revolutionized music. One drawback however has been the flooding of lousy copy cat bands that can hardly play a lick. Those that are keeping the tradition going are sadly viewed as "unhip". You dont have to be a guitar wiz to make good music but I certainly appreciate good musicianship. We need another revolution and come back to this, however without the horrible pop feel of the mid to late eighties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincinnatirock Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 John Petrucci. Check out Dream Theater's Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory to see why. I think his playing is downright tasty. For an acoustic guitar hero, nobody does it better than Doyle Dykes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh steve Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 ty tabor. http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail36.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Originally posted by cincinnatirock: For an acoustic guitar hero, nobody does it better than Doyle Dykes.My vote's for Chris Smither! And what was said about not playing solos not meaning one's not a good guitarist? Good point. Didn't folks make a big deal about the guitar "prowess" Of Pete Townsend, who rarely, if ever, played a solo? Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManInTheBox Posted June 5, 2002 Author Share Posted June 5, 2002 I don't believe anyone is denying the fact that good music doesn't necessarily have to have a guitar solo, nor that great guitarist have to play solo's. It is just for the most part that I think(and I think I am not alone) that the guitar solo is the epitome of the guitar/musician, being able to transmit emotion through your playing, saying something, that transcends words. If your hero doesn't play solos, that's fine, (Sultans of swing rocks). The question here, is whether any of todays guitarists can be calssified as a guitar hero. Mike Enzinger from incubas, he is good, but does he have what it takes to be a guitar hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timrocker Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 I'm going to plug Fountains of Wayne again. Their CD, "Utopia Parkway" was chock full of really solid playing, songs, and zingy guitar leads. It skated right by most listeners in the mid-90's without getting acclaim. Maybe it's the awkward band name? For newer new stuff, I am personally thrilled with 3 Doors Down. Anyone else getting on that bandwagon? Also pumped about Weezer. Rivers Cuomo and band are making the new rock Rock. IMHO, the absence of recognizable new guitar heroes is not a problem. There is great music available, and that's what's needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZoso74 Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 We need to get rid of this term "Guitar Hero". What is that anyway? Every musician should be respected for his/her abilities and what they can convey with their instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burke Wells Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Gosh knows there's a slew of guys that I've admired for years, ranging from metal thrashers to blues greats, but I too have been slightly disappointed at the lack of good guitar solos in much of today's material. But at the moment, I think I'd have to cast a vote for Mark Tremonti of Creed (not just for the occaisional solo, but overall guitarist). Such a great combination of beautiful clean guitar work, mixed with an incredible heavy guitar tone for the heavy riffin' bits. Plus, I really love his solo in "Stand Here with Me" off of their "Weathered" album. Just my itty-bitty two cents.... Burke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Well since (almost) no one can think of anyone new... ME http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 Originally posted by JRoman: We need to get rid of this term "Guitar Hero". What is that anyway? Every musician should be respected for his/her abilities and what they can convey with their instruments.You just may be right, JRoman. What good would it do for the memory of Jimi Hendrix if, after he busts his butt writing what he thought was a good song, to be remembered only for the guitar work? Other folks elsewhere in these forums talked a lot about his rhythm abilities, but essentially, it was his solos and effects that drew the most attention. And that's a shame, too! For his composition and lyrical talents never seem to get the same focus. But on the other hand, how many of us would have picked up a guitar if not for the solo antics of Hendrix, or in my case, Chuck Berry? A Double edged sword to be sure. Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 Originally posted by Steve LeBlanc: Well since (almost) no one can think of anyone new... ME Heck, that works for me. We'll nominate Steve as our "guitar hero of the week". We'll give it to someone else in a week or two... pass it around... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylver Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 I think there are a lot of great players out there, but "heros"? Steve Morse had "it" for a while, but I think he crossed over to mainstream fusion just as he was getting interesting. Compare "The Introduction" to "High Tension Wires". He got away from what he did best, IMO, though I really liked HTW, Introduction was the bomb! People like Vai and Satch and Eric Johnson and many others are true virtuoso players, but I have a hard time connecting with thier content. It seems all the virtuoso players also have these very processed guitar tones, which futher distances me from them. Most of my heros are dead. Maybe that means I'm too just old to tell the difference anymore. I really don't know what to put here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 As a non-guitarist (dare i say i'm a bassist! ) i'd like to add a few... Tommy Emmanuel - Australian guitarist who plays mainly acoustic now but has done loads of electric guitar-orientated albums. Check out some of his stuff if you can get them. He is such a great guitarist. Great songs and doesn't just turn them into 3 minute long solos. Mark Knopfler - Still producing great music and soundtracks today. Carl Bell - The lead guitarist in Fuel. Great riffs and some cracking solos to go with them. He has this knack of playing solos that fit in to the track perfectly. That's my 2 cents anyway... adz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylver Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 I think there are a lot of great players out there, but "heros"? Steve Morse had "it" for a while, but I think he crossed over to mainstream fusion just as he was getting interesting. Compare "The Introduction" to "High Tension Wires". He got away from what he did best, IMO, though I really liked HTW, Introduction was the bomb! People like Vai and Satch and Eric Johnson and many others are true virtuoso players, but I have a hard time connecting with thier content. It seems all the virtuoso players also have these very processed guitar tones, which futher distances me from them. Most of my heros are dead. Maybe that means I'm too just old to tell the difference anymore. I really don't know what to put here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted June 10, 2002 Share Posted June 10, 2002 Clarence White, Ray Flacke, Jerry Donahue, Billy Gibbons, Sonny Landreth, Johnny Winter, Gatemouth Brown, Son House, BB, Merle Travis, Chet, Segovia, Will Ackerman, Ron Wood, Michael Hedges, Jimmy Vaughn, Lester Flatt, Mother Maybelle, Ronnie Montrose, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Bonnie Raitt, Pete Anderson, Walter Trout, Earl Klugh, Dick Dale, Wes Montgomery, Marty Stuart, George Harrison, Joni Mitchell, Albert Lee, Alvin Lee, Jimi Hendrix, Robin Trower, Frank Marino, Ricky Skaggs, Steve Earle, Stanley Jordan, Keb Mo, Steve Morse, Johnny Horton, Luther Perkins, Jimmy Rodgers, David Torn, John McLaughlin, Chuck Berry, ect....... gimme another 24 hours and I'll list more...brain dead from the weekend! Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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