tomaerovons.com Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 I do a lot of covers of hit records for a company that does karioke, or however you spell it;) I've been a guitarist for a long time, and I have a lot of studio experience. These things have to be turned around rather quickly, so I've been using AMP Farm for the distorted sounds, etc. But I have to tell you, when you A/B my tracks against the real tracks, all my guitar tracks sound so lame. Despite all the rumors about people using AMP farm on real tracks, I am giving up on it. Everything sounds tiny. I just don't think there's any substitue for an speaker moving air with a SM57 in front of it. Am I crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip_dup1 Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 I hope this isn`t too far off the point- it`s karaoke kara=empty, as in karate, `empty hand` oke=Japanese phonetic rendering of `orchestra` do you mean tiny, as in small, or tinny, as in no depth (like a cheap radio maybe)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaerovons.com Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 Originally posted by skip: I hope this isn`t too far off the point- it`s karaoke kara=empty, as in karate, `empty hand` oke=Japanese phonetic rendering of `orchestra` Hey thanks! do you mean tiny, as in small, or tinny, as in no depth (like a cheap radio maybe)?No I mean tiny as in small. I'm interested in how many others out there feel about tracks that depend on only AMP Farm for all the guitars. I just don't think it stacks up (it's great for mock ups, and can work for a solo, but the rhythm stuff just sounds lame to me. And I'm not a rookie to playing or recording, so I've tried all the usual stuff to help it out....in the end, I think the whole modeling thing is great for a live band, but not critical recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanner Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 a bigtime pro guitarist friend of mine got (bought?) the farm(figuratively speakin) and he tried everything to get it to go(even after those stellar reports from todd rundgren) and he had to return it."no guts" i think i recall him sayin... s AMPSSOUNDBETTERLOUDER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Tom, It's not you. I can't stand to use any of the modelling stuff on "keeper" tracks myself. I think they suck live too. The ONLY thing my POD gets used for is as you say, doing mock-ups and scratch tracks. And I agree with you that rhythm tracks suffer the worst. Being very rhythmically oriented even on solos, I find this a severe drag - as you say, thin and gutless. About the only thing it sounds convincing on is single-note solos done with Marshall-type models. The POD does a convincing job of that, but I personally don't like Marshalls anyway so I certainly don't want an imitation of one. Anyway you are not alone in this opinion! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nollykin Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Originally posted by stanner: a bigtime pro guitarist friend of mine got (bought?) the farm(figuratively speakin) and he tried everything to get it to go(even after those stellar reports from todd rundgren) and he had to return it."no guts" i think i recall him sayin... sHahahaha Bought the farm Crap. I just lost my post here... well the basic gist of the thing was that from what I have heard, Line 6 and Yamaha do good versions of these modeling amps... but still not 'good enough'... as far as a good 'oomph' goes - you simplycant beat a tube amp. But, for home recording applications and little non professional stuff - they can be good. bought the farm... haha... Nolly "Money, Bitchez and Cheese!" http://www.playspoon.com/nollykin/files/voxline.gif "I never thought about it, and I never stopped to feel - But I didn't want you telling me just what to think was real. And as simple as it comes, I only wanted to express- ...But with expression comes regret - and I don't want you hating me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sysexguy Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Let's not confuse the topic "Is it me or is it amp farm" with a "bash POD, tubes are the only way" thread. The models in Amp farm are good but only so good and it's best to assure that the guitar's signal gets to the plug in optimally....This is where some experimentation will help. Maybe the console's pres aren't helping so try some outboard... I've used a GT MP1, a Buzz MIA and even a line out from a Digitech guitar processor on occasion to get a decent guitar level to Pro Tools. ...and IMHO, nothing beats a real amp but one cannot deny that amp farm is easier and quicker. If POD is not you cup of tea, Amp Farm will certainly disappoint as well. There are now a few alternatives available as well (Nigel, Amplitude etc.) to consider. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSD Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 I bought a pro pod about 6 months ago for my studio and although it does sound good I would have to agree that you can't beat the real thing. I got used to being lazy about micing an amp so I would just plug into the pod but after a while I started to notice that altough it sounded good it didn't quite have the balls of an amp. You guys just convinced me that I wasn't imagining things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 A lot of the Line6 models work if you "let" them do what they tend to want to do. Which tends towards certain stereotype sounds... I think the Marshall stuff they spent the most time on, but to do Jimi type sounds which I think it does well. The Champ model is ok. The Fender models again work when you lean towards what they sort of sound predominantly like, but the key I think is that you can't "stretch" them like you can a real amp. If that makes any sense at all.... Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtrmac Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 I agree that the modeling technology is second rate when compared to a real good amp but part of the missing ingredient is the acoustic feedback between the amp and the guitar. I also agree that the Marshall simulation is probably the best when it come to a POD. Considering the convenience these things offer for DAW users I think they are pretty useful though. I certainly can't mike up 32 different amps in my bedroom late at night and even in the studio I've found Ampfarm useful for some overdubs. I would question the necessity for killer guitar tones when it comes to Karaoke though. No offense meant to Tom Hartman personally but in my opinion a POD or Amp Farm should be fine for this sort of thing. I understand his point that he gets a unique opportunity to compare the sound of Amp Farm to the real thing though. Mac Bowne G-Clef Acoustics Ltd. Osaka, Japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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