Sean Penn pays the price

[GZsound]

I heard on the news that Mr. Penn was fired from a movie project in which he was to be paid 10 million dollars. He was not hired because his anti war, anti American , pro Sadam appearance in Iraq would hurt his box office. Rumor has it that Clooney and Sarandon are facing much the same fate. Now we get to see the real strength of their convictions. Notice how much we hear from Jane Fonda? My hope for our country is renewed.. Liberals...The New Plague

[DC]

HUAC is back! How dare they criticise the furor?!

[Steve LeBlanc]

[quote]anti war, [b]anti American , pro Sadam[/b] appearance in Iraq would hurt his box office[/quote]Are you kidding? Since when is it anti-american to question the decisions of your "elected" officials? We the People...not We the Sheep.

[CarmenC]

[quote]Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: [b] [quote]anti war, [b]anti American , pro Sadam[/b] appearance in Iraq would hurt his box office[/quote]Are you kidding? Since when is it anti-american to question the decisions of your "elected" officials? We the People...not We the Sheep.[/b][/quote]Employers have rights, too. If a employee's public political beliefs contradict his/ her employer's, the employer can fire them for those beliefs. Check it out... Peace. Carmen :wave:

[schmee]

likewise - the market can put any company out of business. in the end, it's all about education and awareness... so thanks sean - for having the balls to be a true american and the compassion for humanity that would pit you against the headless monster of pluralistic ignorance. >> [url=http://www.schmee.biz/backdoor/edutainment/3-plural-web.mp3]pluralistic ignorance[/url] (mp3) [img]http://www.schmee.biz/backdoor/timeandbass/lilback-pi.jpg[/img] :wave:

[patrick_dont_fret]

Well, apparently Sean's movie "21 Gram" is still going. They completed the last of the Memphis parts of it last night...the driving scene on Poplar Ave (I think they were taping on Poplar, because the entourage with the cameral truck and police and all that came by the shop). It was raining, so know that when you see the movie...you might see Lenny's Sub Shop in there, along the right side of the vehicle, depending on if they were taping from that side at that particular point in time. I think that Sean's anti-war tendencies are a good thing, especially considering all the violence he's been associated with in the past.

[Steve LeBlanc]

[quote]Employers have rights, too. If a employee's public political beliefs contradict his/ her employer's, the employer can fire them for those beliefs.[/quote]Of course...I never argued differently...I just tried to make it clear I have a [b]big[/b] problem with people who label someone Anti-American for speaking their opinions. I can't think of anything more un-American than the statements made by GZsound in this thread. But yeah...employers can hire/fire who they want...I imagine Sean doesn't want to work for the propaganda machine anyway. He doesn't exactly [b]need[/b] another 10 million.

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: [b] [quote]Employers have rights, too. If a employee's public political beliefs contradict his/ her employer's, the employer can fire them for those beliefs.[/quote]Of course...I never argued differently...I just tried to make it clear I have a [b]big[/b] problem with people who label someone Anti-American for speaking their opinions. I can't think of anything more un-American than the statements made by GZsound in this thread. But yeah...employers can hire/fire who they want...I imagine Sean doesn't want to work for the propaganda machine anyway. He doesn't exactly [b]need[/b] another 10 million.[/b][/quote]Very true...he doesn't need that money, but it's the fact of the matter that they are not letting him do this... Isn't Hollywood run by Jews? I know this shouldn't matter, but they want Saddam dead and his oil over here more than anything, and someone that doesn't like that doesn't get along with them. I can see how this works...it shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason it is.

[Steve LeBlanc]

[quote]Isn't Hollywood run by Jews? I know this shouldn't matter, but they want Saddam dead and his oil over here more than anything, and someone that doesn't like that doesn't get along with them. I can see how this works...it shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason it is.[/quote]I don't know anymore if it is or not but no it really doesn't matter. If Hollywood was run by right-wing xtians it would be the same...and it is in some places.

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: [b] [quote]Isn't Hollywood run by Jews? I know this shouldn't matter, but they want Saddam dead and his oil over here more than anything, and someone that doesn't like that doesn't get along with them. I can see how this works...it shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason it is.[/quote]I don't know anymore if it is or not but no it really doesn't matter. If Hollywood was run by right-wing xtians it would be the same...and it is in some places.[/b][/quote]Very true. I was just bringing up a point that might be relevant.

[rold]

[quote]Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: [b] Are you kidding? Since when is it anti-american to question the decisions of your "elected" officials? We the People...not We the Sheep.[/b][/quote]Very well said, Steve, thank you :thu: (You just gotta love the fascistic attitudes you hear from the extreme right these days :rolleyes: )

[Gtoledo3]

If taking over a government and stripping away liberties isn't unamerican, I don't know what is. [img]http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2002/11/12-bush-front.jpg[/img]

[Zweite Version]

When Hitler took office in Germany, many artists left the country (the majority for the US, I believe) because their "antenna" just told them that that man is up to no good. And that was way before there was any talk about war and the jewish race. Growing up in Austria, you get taught in school very explicitly about Hitler, how he came into power and his motivations. The reason for that is that the kids in school learn to develop an "antenna" just like the many artists and other people had in the 1930s. Here in the US, the people never had any first-hand experience with fascism, so when times are tough, some of them are quick with spitting out phrases that I would consider fascist, simply because they don't know better. I have the greatest respect for people like Sean Penn, and also Stephen LeBlanc, who protest against something they think is not right. That is true patriotism. But when patriotism morphs into nationalism, that's when the shit hits the fan. It's a fine line, but some are too insensitive and blunt to recognize that line. My 2 cents.

[Brittanylips]

[quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]I heard on the news that Mr. Penn was fired from a movie project in which he was to be paid 10 million dollars. He was not hired because his anti war, anti American , pro Sadam appearance in Iraq would hurt his box office. Rumor has it that Clooney and Sarandon are facing much the same fate. Now we get to see the real strength of their convictions. Notice how much we hear from Jane Fonda? My hope for our country is renewed.. Liberals...The New Plague[/b][/quote]GZ -- Don't believe everything you hear on the "O'Reilly Factor." Your comments reflect his segment in virtual bullet-point fashion, and you are doing just what he wants you to do. Although the segment was about Sean Penn, he mentioned Clooney's name more than Penn's in an attempt to paint them both with the same "Anti-American" brush. He suggested that Clooney's carreer is similarly compromised (it is not) through similar activity (that doesn't exist). Indeed, O'Reilly did not mention ONE example of Clooney's supposedly Anti-American activities, or one example of how his carreer has allegedly suffered. It's called guilt by association, and is a clever trick. In fact, O'Reilly's beef with Clooney is largely due to Clooney's criticism of him (O'Reilly) and not because of Clooney's political actions. Frankly, I don't give a shit about Clooney. But it baffles me to see how successful someone like O'Reilly can be in misleading the public. It reminds me of McCarthyism and the blacklist. O'Reilly similarly juggled the facts with Jane Fonda (which you accept at face value). While her activities were more radical than Sean Penn's, her lack of roles at this point is based on age, and personal choice. If you know about her circumstances, you know that she has no shortage of offers (which she regularly turns down), and no need for the money (I believe her farm is larger than Rhode Island). Despite her background, she is not very "Hollywoodish," and her absence from the public eye is very much her decision. Again, I couldn't care less about Jane Fonda, just the mechanics of how a charismatic showman is able to mislead the public. While I am not criticizing his views or yours, I am criticizing the most "unfair and unablanced" media personality I have ever witnessed, whose show is so dominated by personal spin that otherwise legitimate points of view (e.g. Sean Penn deserves what he gets) become cartoons painted with indescriminate brush strokes (Clooney is anti-American and Fonda can't get a job). Perhaps it all boils down to human nature -- when we like the person delivering the message, and when he delivers it in a charismatic way, our inclination is to believe everything he says. Demagogues -- The Old Plague -Peace, Love, and Brittanylips

[fantasticsound]

[quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b] ...Isn't Hollywood run by Jews? I know this shouldn't matter, but they want Saddam dead and his oil over here more than anything, and someone that doesn't like that doesn't get along with them. I can see how this works...it shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason it is.[/b][/quote]This is the kind of anti-semitic bullshit that brought Hitler to power. You don't have any facts. No quotes or even supposition by "experts" on Jewish/Muslim relations, but you're willing to suggest that Jews are out to get Sean Penn for visiting poor people in Iraq? Your prejudice would be comical if it wasn't so dangerous. "Jews" are not out to get Sean Penn for his political beliefs. If the producers of this film do oppose his beliefs, it hardly matters if they are Jewish. Take your hate elsewhere. :rolleyes:

[Salyphus]

How many in this thread know who Joseph McCarthy is? Perhaps you should go read The Crucible by Arthur Miller.

[analogjim]

Penn's problem is that he allowed his honest passion for his principles to be used as propoganda for a murderous dictator. There are better ways to let your voice be heard than to be used as a puppet by Hussein.

[fantasticsound]

Incidentally, if you want a few facts, here's a [url=http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/02/12/sean.penn/]link to the CNN story[/url] about Penn's lawsuit. It doesn't mention anything about Steve Bing's religeon. For that matter, I attempted to Google search, "Steve Bing jew" with no relevant responses. Next time think before you type, Patrick Don't Fret.

[Philip OKeefe]

[quote]Originally posted by Eurotrash sunsetman: [b]When Hitler took office in Germany, many artists left the country (the majority for the US, I believe) because their "antenna" just told them that that man is up to no good. And that was way before there was any talk about war and the jewish race. [/b][/quote]Check your history... the NAZI's were talking their racial trash about the Jews LONG before Hitler became Chancellor of Germany.

[Nawor]

[quote]Originally posted by S.A.L.: [b]How many in this thread know who Joseph McCarthy is? Perhaps you should go read The Crucible by Arthur Miller.[/b][/quote]Yes indeed bring back McCarthyism. What we need is a good witch hunt! Find out who their friends are... tap their phones.... intercept their mail... Oh I forgot they're already doing that!! Are they gay?. Maybe they're child molestors? Yes!... Leak that to the press!! Blacklist 'em... round 'em up. Put 'em on trial... intimidate their families. Goddamn anti-war tree hugging lefty unpatriotic faggots. Next they'll be wanting 'Land rights for gay whales!! IMG... what's the world coming to? If you can't have a good war once in a while then life just ain't worth living!! :rolleyes: BTW Check the movie "Guilty By Suspicion" 1991 with Robert De Niro and directed by Martin Scorsese.

[realtrance]

Actually, TV sit-coms were actually entertaining and funny, back when there were a few Jewish people involved with the writing and producing. These days, though, seems like non-Jewish people have taken over, and I must say the quality has gone completely down hill. Might be a coincidence, of course. :) rt

[whitefang]

[quote]Originally posted by Eurotrash sunsetman: [b]When Hitler took office in Germany, many artists left the country (the majority for the US, I believe) because their "antenna" just told them that that man is up to no good. And that was way before there was any talk about war and the jewish race. Growing up in Austria, you get taught in school very explicitly about Hitler, how he came into power and his motivations. The reason for that is that the kids in school learn to develop an "antenna" just like the many artists and other people had in the 1930s. Here in the US, the people never had any first-hand experience with fascism, so when times are tough, some of them are quick with spitting out phrases that I would consider fascist, simply because they don't know better. I have the greatest respect for people like Sean Penn, and also Stephen LeBlanc, who protest against something they think is not right. That is true patriotism. But when patriotism morphs into nationalism, that's when the shit hits the fan. It's a fine line, but some are too insensitive and blunt to recognize that line. My 2 cents.[/b][/quote]Euro, I, too, have been pushing the nationalism vs patriotism arguement here recently. Glad to see someone else who can spot the problem. All that rhetoric of anti-war=anti-Americanism is a throwback to the "Love it or leave it" '60's. Loving America meaning to be a hawk is one big CROCK! Whitefang

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by fantasticsound: [b]Incidentally, if you want a few facts, here's a [url=http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/02/12/sean.penn/]link to the CNN story[/url] about Penn's lawsuit. It doesn't mention anything about Steve Bing's religeon. For that matter, I attempted to Google search, "Steve Bing jew" with no relevant responses. Next time think before you type, Patrick Don't Fret.[/b][/quote]It was a fucking joke. You know, the things you take lightly, without recourse. Jeez, had I known you people didn't have a sense of humour...

[fantasticsound]

[quote]originally posted by Patrick_don't_Fret: [b]Isn't Hollywood run by Jews? I know this shouldn't matter, but they want Saddam dead and his oil over here more than anything, and someone that doesn't like that doesn't get along with them. I can see how this works...it shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason it is.[/b][/quote]Sarcasm doesn't translate in writing very well. Next time try putting a ;) or a :D after a comment like that. It's comments like the above that have become fairly commonplace again. You shouldn't be surprised someone would be offended by a un-annotated statement of prejudice.

[Chip McDonald]

[quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]Liberals...The New Plague[/b][/quote]"Clinton's mother prayed fervently that Bill would grow up and be president. So far, half of her prayer has been answered. "

[Bunny Knutson]

Great quotation, Chip. Who said that?

[BrianT]

IMO, Sean is merely a self-important Pennhead. His high profile "fact finding" trip to Iraq ("Hey, guys....don't forget your video cameras!") looks like a publicity stunt that backfired to me. If he really wanted to find out what's up, why not take a trip on the QT and check it out on a lower profile tip? Why going blowing into what sure looked like Iraqi staged, videotaped, formal meetings? Regards, Brian T

[Chip McDonald]

[quote]Originally posted by dBunny: [b]Great quotation, Chip. Who said that?[/b][/quote]A TRUE patriot I'm sure! Heck, I bet it was Clinton that farked up the Pro Tools mix buss! Just yesterday I had a slow leak in one of my tires, it was his fault. Boy, I'll be GLAD when he isn't president anymore!

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by fantasticsound: [b] [quote]originally posted by Patrick_don't_Fret: [b]Isn't Hollywood run by Jews? I know this shouldn't matter, but they want Saddam dead and his oil over here more than anything, and someone that doesn't like that doesn't get along with them. I can see how this works...it shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason it is.[/b][/quote]Sarcasm doesn't translate in writing very well. Next time try putting a ;) or a :D after a comment like that. It's comments like the above that have become fairly commonplace again. You shouldn't be surprised someone would be offended by a un-annotated statement of prejudice.[/b][/quote]Sorry for forgetting that we have that function. I'm not a smily-face-monger. So sorry sir...you are correct, as always I'm afraid. I digress.

[GZsound]

Wow, some interesting directions this here 'ol thread went. The comment about Mr. Penn was not from Bill O'Reilly, although it was on his show. It was from a reporter from (I believe) The Hollywood Insider. I never mentioned George Clooney, Susan Sarandon, Babs..etc. Only what the reporter said was the case with Mr. Penn. In spite of being attacked by the "tolerant" liberals here I think the truth is that in our country, the dollar still speaks with a loud voice. No producer is going to put up millions of dollars and hope for a strong showing of a movie that has a star like Sean Penn. Loosing market and audience share is not why they invest the money. The comment about the hollywood jews was totally out of line. The suggestion that all the artists left Germany because they recognized Hitler for the dictator he was is really funny. Nice attempt to suggest our current president is just like Hitler but history does not back up this ludicrous statement. Nationalism was strong in the pre-Hitler years and got even stronger when Hitler took over Germany. German music, art, etc. was celebrated under Hitler. Artists were proud to be German. It was only when Hitler began rounding up Jewish German artists that some got worried. Then he came after teachers, professors, artists, subversives, etc. and it was a free for all for the border. To somehow suggest German artists were on top of the curve and thus give validity to our own liberal arts community is really funny. And to suggest Mr. Bush is in that same category shows the unbelievable stupidity some of you exhibit. And my comments regarding anti war being equated with anti American: Good citizens can disagree. Good citizens can hate war, pray for peace and never want to see anyone get hurt. There is nothing anti American about being anti war. Taking sides and supporting terrorists, dictators, mass murderers, etc. while blaming our government and especially our president is most definately anti American. Going to Iraq and supporting those who have sworn to destroy all of us is anti American. Hoping our country is defeated or attacked by those you support is anti American. Period..I'm really sorry some of you don't understand that. Attending anti war rallys funded by the North Koreans and the terrorist muslim organizations seems to me to be sort of stupid. But hey, Sadam has been showing the video to his people so I guess those attendees can be proud. Today he swears to carry out a massive death and destruction campaign which includes torching the oil wells, chemical and biological weapon use, etc. This from the guy that swears he doesn't have those weapons? Give him another hug folks..he needs your support.