sign Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 FWIW, it's 6:00 pm here now and one million people in Rome, half a million in London and hundreds of thousands of people all over Europe and even in Bagdad (surprised?) have demontrated against war. The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Well, I'm sure THAT will do the trick. Peace is assured! Now I won't need that duck tape and plastic wrap. guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Millions of people have demonstrated that the Popeil Pocket Fisherman is the thing to use!!! Just adding levity to the tenseness. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarmenC Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Tedster the Love Doctor: [b]Millions of people have demonstrated that the Popeil Pocket Fisherman is the thing to use!!! Just adding levity to the tenseness.[/b][/quote]Thanx, That was funny! Peace. Carmen :wave: An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfonso Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Rome: 3 million. Guess the Amp .... now it's finished... Here it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by alfonso: [b]Rome: 3 million.[/b][/quote]Dang, that Ron Popeil has got quite a racket, huh? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 I'm leaving for Hollywood Blvd. in about an hour...there should be a huge turn-out..you might be surprised at how many Americans aren't willing to support this war. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [b]****NEWS FLASH****[/b] This just in... The anti-war protests have WORKED! Bush AGREES not to invade Iraq! He only set ONE SIMPLE CONDITION for calling off the attack. [b]The Full and complete compliance by Saddam and the Iraqi government with UN Resolution 1441.[/b] And since Iraq is ONLY INTERESTED IN PEACE... I'm SURE they will immediately comply. WHEW... That was close. War was almost upon us. It's a good thing that the FINAL DECISION about war is out of the hands of a maniac dictator bent on war (Bush) and back in the hands of a responsible leader of innocent civilians (Saddam). Thank goodness for the protestors. They've saved the day! guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by guitplayer: [b][b]****NEWS FLASH****[/b] This just in... The anti-war protests have WORKED! Bush AGREES not to invade Iraq! He only set ONE SIMPLE CONDITION for calling off the attack. [b]The Full and complete compliance by Saddam and the Iraqi government with UN Resolution 1441.[/b] And since Iraq is ONLY INTERESTED IN PEACE... I'm SURE they will immediately comply. WHEW... That was close. War was almost upon us. It's a good thing that the FINAL DECISION about war is out of the hands of a maniac dictator bent on war (Bush) and back in the hands of a responsible leader of innocent civilians (Saddam). Thank goodness for the protestors. They've saved the day! guitplayer[/b][/quote]Hell isn't frozen over yet...Bush still wants war. Good try, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [b]****NEWS UPDATE****[/b] Ron Popeil has again made history. He has offered the Iraqi government an offer they certainly cannot refuse. For each WMD they turn over to the UN inspectors for destruction, they will receive a pocket fisherman! Well, if there was ANY thought that Saddam was holding out for a better deal, this should ease those concerns... Rumor has it that if this proves to be successful, Ron Popeil will donate one of his Rotisserie Ovens for each nuclear weapons program North Korea dismantles... North Korea says to be leaning toward accepting this offer!!! ANOTHER VICTORY IN THE WAR AGAINST TERROR. Ron Popeil for UN Weapons Inspector General! guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 guitplayer, FWIW...I don't find your posts funny and I'm a big fan of sarcasm...if you really believe the situation is that simple I feel for you...get yer head out the sand man. :) Sure I want to stop the war from happening at all but I'm not delusional. Yeah things are pretty much set in motion...we're at war (says the monkey) but that doesn't mean it's pointless to voice opposition. The Vietnam war lasted many years...I think there is a good argument for that war ending a tad bit sooner because of pressure from the American people. It's our duty as American citizens to keep these guys from running rampant with their greed. You might disagree with my anti-war stance but I cannot understand why you would disagree with my decision to stand up for my beliefs. To voice my opposition...this is America right? Are you really arguing that I shouldn't bother? "cause the war is gonna happen anyway" You aren't really saying that are you? If you are I've lost a lot of respect here man. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our side It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, now, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addix Metzatricity Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Good call Patrick... That song definitely has more use than the author had hoped. Oh, if it had only stopped with Vietnam... "Bass isn't just for breakfast anymore..." http://www.mp3.com/Addix_Metzatricity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: [b]guitplayer, FWIW...I don't find your posts funny and I'm a big fan of sarcasm...if you really believe the situation is that simple I feel for you...get yer head out the sand man. :) Sure I want to stop the war from happening at all but I'm not delusional. Yeah things are pretty much set in motion...we're at war (says the monkey) but that doesn't mean it's pointless to voice opposition. The Vietnam war lasted many years...I think there is a good argument for that war ending a tad bit sooner because of pressure from the American people. It's our duty as American citizens to keep these guys from running rampant with their greed. You might disagree with my anti-war stance but I cannot understand why you would disagree with my decision to stand up for my beliefs. To voice my opposition...this is America right? Are you really arguing that I shouldn't bother? "cause the war is gonna happen anyway" You aren't really saying that are you? If you are I've lost a lot of respect here man.[/b][/quote]Whoa Steve, I 100% support your or anyone's right to protest in public or private for your POV about the war or any other matter. I think it is [b]100% AMERICAN[/b] to march in the street for your strongly held beliefs... go to it! I happen to think it's misdirected, but I'm sure you respect MY RIGHT to have a different opinion than you. I was also pointing out that SADDAM [b]DOES[/b] have the ability to keep Bush from launching this war. [b]He really does.[/b] I think he's actually the [b]ONLY[/b] one that does. Personally, I don't think Bush is going to alter HIS position because of the protestors, but who knows... that doesn't mean that you shouldn't go. If you feel it, do it. I think a more effective protest topic might be... [b]SADDAM, GIVE IN TO THE WILL OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY[/b] or [b]SADDAM, GIVE UP YOUR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND STOP THIS TERRIBLE WAR![/b] Would these be acceptable messages at the protests? Because they're the messages that could actually stop this thing. Do you think either of these messages would be allowed in Iraq? Of course you know they wouldn't be... but hey, this is the US and protests are allowed... even encouraged. But imagine if the "give up your weapons message, and stop this war" message was cried out by millions around the world, would Saddam LISTEN and give in the international community? Probably not, but you never know. It's not unreasonable to think that the current anti-war messages that don't also call for Iraq's compliance with 1441 actually ENCOURAGE Saddam to try to hang on... but I know that's not the intent of the protestors... it's just a sad possibility of thier action. I'm sure the anti-war protestors UNDERSTAND that SADDAM can end this war before it begins... right? And wouldn't THAT be great... screw over Bush's plan to grab the oil by giving up the WMD's!!! Stay in power, see the sanctions lifted, the economy of Iraq get back to normal, ease the suffering of millions of Iraqi families and children, allow the outflow of oil to resume and the inflow of food and medical supplies... I don't know... it all sounds like a win-win for Saddam... all he has to do is ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH 1441 and disarm his WMD... WHY WON'T HE? WHY DON'T YOU SCREAM OUT THAT HE SHOULD? Who knows, maybe you are... I don't mean to imply WHAT you should say... just to point out that I don't see much of the message being sent to Saddam... it seems that all the messages are aimed at Bush... Maybe it's just what the TV is showing? If Bush tried to attack Saddam THEN, I'd be out in the streets with you!!! And so would TENS OF MILLIONS of people around the world. Anyway. Good luck in your protests. I don't share your beliefs, but I respect your right to have and share them. REALLY! guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rold Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 "FWIW, it's 6:00 pm here now and one million people in Rome, half a million in London and hundreds of thousands of people all over Europe and even in Bagdad (surprised?) have demontrated against war." It's good to hear the turn-out is so good - perhaps after today the sadistic bastards currently in the White House will realize that rather than building a better and safer world, they're actually turning the rest of the world against them. So much for all the good the US has done in the past, eh? ;) meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]I'm sure the anti-war protestors UNDERSTAND that SADDAM can end this war before it begins... right?[/quote]I don't believe that at all...the facts and figures have been argued plenty on these forums...I encourage you to reread some of those threads and the articles that are linked to them. Saddam is not a threat to our people...it's silly to think that he is. I won't support killing innocent Iraqi people over a ambiguous precedent. I do urge Saddam to comply...he has been...what's your argument again? A friend of mine was in Iraq recently...he talked to people there...they don't know what to do...they just know that the word is more American bombs are coming. I won't bother going around in circles on this...like I said the facts have been presented on these forums already. GWB and his advisors want war...at this point I don't think anything will stop them but mass dissent...and being realistic about it...even if more than 50% of the population marched on Washington I don't believe it would stop them. I'm glad I misunderstood your stance...I support your right to speak your mind and I'm glad to know you support mine. I've had people attempt to [b]silence[/b] me on other bbs for posting my opinion, not because I went against their forum rules or anything, I wasn't even rude. Before you simply assume I'm just misinformed, consider that I have been following these issues for over 10 years. I never really stopped protesting American hostilities in Iraq...the leader Saddam is an American creation...we put this guy in power...Iraq used to be a progressive/free nation. We benefited greatly from the Iran/Iraq war, providing both sides with weapons and political espionage. People often talk of Saddam gassing his own people...it just isn't true...even if his troops were responsible for the chemical attack it happened in the middle of war...it wasn't an isolated event. In fact the LA Times reported a few months ago that all studies show the gas that killed those peasants was Iranian mustard gas, a gas Iraq wasn't using at the time. The reason I bring that up is that the propaganda machine continues to spread this twisted lie as a prime motivation for attacking Iraq. There's so much more I could go into to back up my reasons for protesting this war. But the simple version is I'm against ALL war because history shows us the reasons for it have never been righteous. Peace and Love http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george costanza Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Short & sweet: there really seems no necessity for this war, unlike the situation a decade ago when Hussein demonstrated his agressiveness. Now he's just a straw man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLo Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by sign: [b]FWIW, it's 6:00 pm here now and one million people in Rome, half a million in London and hundreds of thousands of people all over Europe and even in Bagdad (surprised?) have demontrated against war.[/b][/quote]Yeah! Let Osama Hit them like he did with us, and kill part of their families and firends and see if they keep "demon-strating" Peleaseee! Jesus Is Coming, Make Music, Get Ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george costanza Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Would now be a good time to suggest looking up the word "jingoism" in the dictionary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rold Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by ViLo: [b] [quote]Originally posted by sign: [b]FWIW, it's 6:00 pm here now and one million people in Rome, half a million in London and hundreds of thousands of people all over Europe and even in Bagdad (surprised?) have demontrated against war.[/b][/quote]Yeah! Let Osama Hit them like he did with us, and kill part of their families and firends and see if they keep "demon-strating" Peleaseee![/b][/quote]From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2766917.stm : [quote]About 100,000 protesters have gathered near the United Nations headquarters in New York to demonstrate against a possible war with Iraq. [b]The demonstration was also joined by some relatives of victims of the attack on the World Trade Center, marching as "9/11 families for peace". [/b] [/quote]Now Vilo, If family members of those lost in the WTC attack are protesting this war as well, your argument doesn't hold much water, does it? meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by george costanza: [b]Would now be a good time to suggest looking up the word "jingoism" in the dictionary?[/b][/quote]Main Entry: jin·go·ism Pronunciation: 'ji[ng]-(")gO-"i-z&m Function: noun Date: 1878 : extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy Basically, being an asshole towards other nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Hey, thanks Patrick, for posting those Stephen Stills lyrics. You just made me remember I wanted to do that song, but forgot all the lyrics. That's what happens when you get old. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by 'rold: Now Vilo, If family members of those lost in the WTC attack are protesting this war as well, your argument doesn't hold much water, does it?[/quote]Right. Foreign policy by unanimous concent of the victims family. Is that how they do it in CANADA? :eek: ... BTW, I love Canadians. My Dad was born Canadian... New Brunswick. Love it there! oh well, this actually ISN'T about retribution for 9/11... it's about Iraq's non-compliance with UN 1441... which ultimately resulted from Saddam's invasion and expulsion from Kuwait. Remember? I personally think it's a mistake by the administration to try to create or expose a link from Saddam to OBL. This distracts from the REAL reasons this is happening. guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rold Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 guitplayer, I was only pointing out the flaw in Vilo's argument. He said: "Yeah! Let Osama Hit them [Europeans] like he did with us, and kill part of their families and firends and see if they keep "demon-strating" Peleaseee!" and I responded with what you read. :thu: meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 'rold... :thu: I agree. 9/11 doesn't have much to do with what's happening here! guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wow Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Peace march is over, now what. same saddam, in the same place with the same weapons, DIDN'T do alot of good if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by 'rold: [QB...sadistic bastards currently in the White House... So much for all the good the US has done in the past, eh? ;) [/QB][/quote]Is that what Canadians think? The US hasn't fired a shot. Hussein has killed millions. All the good we've done (and still do on a daily basis) was for naught? [b]If so[/b], I know how I'm voting. Drop all subsidies and military protection for Canada, France, and Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfur Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: [b]I'm leaving for Hollywood Blvd. in about an hour...there should be a huge turn-out..you might be surprised at how many Americans aren't willing to support this war.[/b][/quote]I'm going to a AW meeting later, after the gig - I would say you might be surprised how many Americans are now too afraid (or complacent) to speak out about not supporting the war. It is, at least in my community, now THAT bad. Ordinary law abiding people have very real concern about utilizing their 1st amendment rights, and being somehow oppressed or punished for it. A very, very dark chapter in Amerikkka's history. Woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Olsson. Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Tell me if this is true: in European media one could read this week that GWB dad pulled some strings so that junior wouldn't have to go to Vietnam, instead he should have joined some kind of armed force that was stationed in USA but that he fled/deserted after a while. Are there any truth to this story at all? I really would like to know. And another question: except for Powell, how many members of the US govt has actually done military service or similar? /Mats http://www.lexam.net/peter/carnut/man.gif What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Dogfur: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: [b]I'm leaving for Hollywood Blvd. in about an hour...there should be a huge turn-out..you might be surprised at how many Americans aren't willing to support this war.[/b][/quote]I'm going to a AW meeting later, after the gig - I would say you might be surprised how many Americans are now too afraid (or complacent) to speak out about not supporting the war. It is, at least in my community, now THAT bad. Ordinary law abiding people have very real concern about utilizing their 1st amendment rights, and being somehow oppressed or punished for it. A very, very dark chapter in Amerikkka's history.[/b][/quote]Curious about this... Are you saying that your average protestor is concerned that their attendence at an anti-war rally would affect their normal like in some way? How? I haven't heard much about "arrests" or other problems related to the protests... as far as the media has reported, they've largely been peaceful, the police calm... Can you tell us more about your concerns? I'd be pissed if it turns out to be true. guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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