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An Equipment Question - Am I Crazy?


LAPetrarca

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Forgive my ignorance but I was wondering about something.

 

Seems another guitar forum that I post to flames anybody that brings up the name "Kramer". It's summarily dismissed as junk, garbage and whatever adjective can be thought of.

 

Now maybe I'm wrong but, seems to me that there are any number of good, valid reasons for a person to buy a "$79.00" guitar and not be flamed for his/her choice!

 

Bearing in mind that "you get what you pay for", how about some of the following reasons for purchasing one:

 

What about the guy who's not sure if he will be able to learn to play? Does it make sense to spend $300-plus on something he's not sure he'll even be able to learn to use?

 

How about the guy whose 13 year old son is bugging him for a guitar and is afraid to spend $300-plus dollars on a guitar that may end up in the corner collecting dust?

 

How about the guy who just wants something to pick up and play once in a while?

 

Are the things really that bad? I bought a cheap Korean-made Les Paul copy, invested a few bucks in a pro setup and the thing plays great! It's not a Gibson but, it suits my needs. Isn't that part of what buying equipment is all about?

 

Personally, I've been a bass player for 35 years and started out with some "bargain" gear. Then, as my ability improved, I upgraded my equipment as I went along. I'm using the same approach in learning to play a 6 string. If a Kramer was all I could aford, and it suited my needs, I'd probably buy one!

 

So, back to my question. Are they that bad?

 

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Great thread.

 

Well, lessee...bargain equipment is a heckuva lot better than it used to be. Those who flame today's Korean made bargain guitars never owned a Teisco Del Rey with the strings an inch and a half high off a neck that Robin Hood would have used to hunt venison. So, bargain guitars can be fine.

 

I used to own a small music store (mainly strings and accessories) and stocked some nicer "bargain guitars"...I was surprised that a lot of parents would bring Jr. in with a canoe paddle for his first lesson, something with HORRID green funky strings they'd found in Grandpa's basement...and then the next time bring him in with a Fender. YIKES. Like a lot were skipping the Squiers and Hamer Slammers and "nicer" bargain guitars (a heckuva lot nicer compared to their green stringed canoe paddle, anyway).

 

Personally, I used to favor good solid used guitars for these purposes, 'cause it used to be that you could get a great used guitar for the same price as a new budget one, and the resale value wouldn't change. Not really so any more. The decent used ones are being horded.

 

I understand about not wanting to spend two grand on a Les Paul for a new student, but a couple hundred should be fine. One thing I've never understood is how these parents will complain about spending three or four hundred on a budget guitar, and yet the same folks won't bat an eye about shelling out two or three grand for a sax for school band. Weird.

 

This message has been edited by Tedster on 08-07-2001 at 03:41 PM

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I don't see any problem with not wanting to overspend on a guitar. You get what you pay for. Sometimes you get a little more.

You have to be careful though, because if the guitar is for a beginner and it plays "too" poorly, they may get discouraged and quit just because it's harder to learn than it should be.

BTW, I played a Kramer Focus 3000 (with fender lace sensors) for about 5 years, and it was a nice axe. So go ahead and flame away http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif

 

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Originally posted by KHAN:

I don't see any problem with not wanting to overspend on a guitar. You get what you pay for. Sometimes you get a little more.

You have to be careful though, because if the guitar is for a beginner and it plays "too" poorly, they may get discouraged and quit just because it's harder to learn than it should be.

BTW, I played a Kramer Focus 3000 (with fender lace sensors) for about 5 years, and it was a nice axe. So go ahead and flame away http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif

 

 

No flaming here!

 

I agree with you though. A little due diligence goes a long way.

 

The only thing I can think of is it must be some snot-nosed little rich kids trying to put down some middle-class, working teenagers choice of instruments based on what their budget can afford.

 

Nothing wrong with that!

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I've got news for you... they need not be snot nosed rich kids bringing up

the whole class thing...

 

It's more like, "Gee, I don't use one, and I once heard something bad

about one, so... they MUST suck!!!"

 

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Kramer made some fantastic guitars the first time around.

 

Kramer made some real dogs, and I mean BAD guitars the first time around.

 

Depends which models you buy, as with most manufacturers. Some do better with inexpensive models than others.

 

I certainly agree with the notion that today's bargain basement has some real gems compared with the basement 15 or 20 years ago.

 

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The first generation Kramer Pacers, transitioning frm the Rockinger trems to the non-fine tuner Floyds to the first fine tuner Floyds, were very nice guitars.

 

They generally stayed that way until they switched to the "hockey puck" headstocks; at which point when they switched to the "half-banana" headstocks they started sucking really quick.

 

I think I sniff the surge of "smart buying" happening with early generation metal guitars...

 

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Originally posted by lapetrarca:

Forgive my ignorance but I was wondering about something.

 

Seems another guitar forum that I post to flames anybody that brings up the name "Kramer". It's summarily dismissed as junk, garbage and whatever adjective can be thought of.

 

Ummm... I know of the aforementioned Kramer issue on the "HC" forum... and the flames have NOTHING to do with Kramers per se.

 

There is a TROLL, a nasty, ugly, spiteful, aggressive, constant TROLL, that lurks that forum... He has about 6 pseudonyms but mostly goes by 422 or something. Anyway, he's caused so much havok, that people rant at the very MENTION of kramer guitars and may even think YOU could be HIM just for bringing kramer's up. He constantly compares his Kramer to ANY other guitar in troll like fashion and personally attacks anyone who attempts to disagree with his troll like attacks!!!

 

Do a "search" on kramer on that board and you'll see what I mean... pages and pages and pages and pages of TROLL DUNG EVERYWHERE http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

 

We on the other hand, are mostly friendly here!

 

If you have a kramer and have made a recording of an original song using it, there's still time to submit it for the guit forum comp cd!!!!!

 

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Originally posted by guitplayer:

Ummm... I know of the aforementioned Kramer issue on the "HC" forum... and the flames have NOTHING to do with Kramers per se.

 

There is a TROLL, a nasty, ugly, spiteful, aggressive, constant TROLL, that lurks that forum... He has about 6 pseudonyms but mostly goes by 422 or something. Anyway, he's caused so much havok, that people rant at the very MENTION of kramer guitars and may even think YOU could be HIM just for bringing kramer's up.

 

We on the other hand, are mostly friendly here!

 

 

That is indeed the forum of which I speak and I assure you, I'm NOT that person or any other of that person's aliases.

 

However, the picture now becomes a little clearer. Seems that forum is loaded with bored teenagers that have nothing better to do with their summer vacation than to spam message boards over who's got the best guitar, amp, effects or whatever. Who's the best shredder, best band, worst band......you get the picture!

 

And yes indeed, this seems to be a much friendlier place!

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