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We're working on a CD. The studio has a Leslie for their B3. I've always liked the occasional guitar through Leslie sound (better than chorus)...like the middle part of "Badge". What's the best way to run it? (I've never used a Leslie).
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I have a MotionSound Pro3T which I run my Hammond thru. I sometimes put the guitar thru it also. It's fairly compact, and sounds awesome. Much better than other simulators because it has true rotating horns. Check it out!

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Well, actually the point of this post was that in the studio there's a big ol' Leslie that I could use for tracking...not really that I was going to buy one and use it onstage. I just wondered for those of you that have, how have your best results been achieved?
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Used to play bass in a trio out of Memphis in the early 70's doing

the traveling motel/hotel gigs and the guitar player used one. He

had an Emmons amp (also played steel guitar) on one side of the stage,

a Fender twin on the other and the Leslie up front. He'd use it on the

folk/country/pop ballad stuff that was going on in those days. It was

a pain in the has to lug around but actually come off sounding pretty

good.... a little three part harmony and that swelling guitar sounded real

big and full for a trio. Filled those small to medium sized, Holiday Inns, Ramada Inns, Sheriton Inns, etc... up with a wall of sound.

 

As far as how it was run, amps and things back in those days didn't have what we know as line outs.... He went into the Leslie and then to the two amps.

 

 

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There is a company that makes a preamp with instrument level inputs but I can't remember the manufacturer's name, sorry. Usually a B-3 has a 1/4" "external" instrument input to the preamp too. It works, that's how they did it in the old days. Watch out though, guitar with a Leslie is highly addictive and bad for your back in the long run.

 

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Tell ya what Ted, I wouldn't mind having a bash with a Leslie cab myself. Could be way cool, get some of that rotation etc onto a guitar, ditch the chorus.... Yeah man.

I'm sorry I don't know how you'd rig it but there is a studio a few miles away from me that has one and I'll go over on Monday and do some experimenting.

 

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Well yes I have a Leslie and Hammond in my garage. I had a 1/4 input added to the Power amp in the Leslie. When the jack goes in the audio from the Hammond is disabled. You'll need your own outboard preamp. Also in my case the only power supply is from the Hammond which must be turned on.

 

The natural chorus is superior to artificial products. No doubt. Close stereo miking will in fact give you that fast phaser tone on tape.

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well i hate bein th' ol' geezer here but the first time i heard guitar thru a leslie was back in '72-boz scaggs tour @ suny binghamton(upstate ny.) w/ ronnie montrose on 2nd(!)guitar and on the song"babys callin me home"('moments' album?) boz hit that switch and out came these waves of modulated guitar that just mesmerized,i remember that sound so clearly and it hit me so hard i have never ever even attempted it but it is and was a beautiful sound. for info's sake...
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yeah, i do 'come and get your love'-pat&lolly vega- brothers from wayback. they used to have a surf band back in the day in the valley

(cali). i guess they were 'leslie' dudes too,huh?they had a great album out 'live at the haunted house' a las vegas showband thang w/ all the hits of the day:'in the midnight hour-satisfaction-etc.

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As promised here's the results of the Leslie test... As cereal said I think the studios tech had to wire on a 1/4 jack imput onto the cab, and I'm not sure what else he did but after a couple of hours he got it working. The results on a distorted tone were nothing short of amazing!! Natural, phatt, a huge width, just incredible!! It might be a total pain in the ass for your tech to sort it out but Man is it ever worth it. My band are also recording in my down time at the moment and all I can say is that I will definately be using the Leslie on a number of the tracks... The clean tone wasn't quite as awe inspiring but still had a really useful and unusual effect... I just gotta learn how to use it to its best advantage on a clean sound I guess, but hell, Rome wasn't built in a day was it now.

 

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Ted, see if you can't find a Leslie combo preamp laying around town somewhere. It has 1/4" jacks in it. Also Trek II out of NJ makes a swiss army knife version that works with all the different leslie plugs. That's what I use, but they are around 300 a pop. But, I bet someone around KC area has an old combo preamp you can use.

You can wire a leslie with a 1/4 " jack, but you need a resistor- not sure of the value- to get the hum out of it. You know, I know the guy that can answer that. I'll be talking to him tomorrow. I'll let you know what he says.

As for miking it, I'm not sure for guitar. When miking it for organ in the studio, I prefer a single mic placed in front of the cabinet about equal distance from the horn and woofer. You can use 2 mics, but don't get them too close to the cab. or you will lose the cabinet resonance in your recording. Some guys like to stuff them right in the back of the leslie, but, you lose the deep rich woody sound that way and you pick up wind and motor noise that way in my opinion.

I'll let you know as soon as I talk to Dave. He is a walking leslie and hammond encyclopedia. John

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i tried running through a leslie once, but i banged my head on the cabinet....

actually, which leslie is it? someone else mentioned the leslie preamp. we used to have one for a leslie 147 (which is my fave) and it was a great setup. the preamp had 1/4 inch in and the speed switch. it rocked. (great for vocals btw)

 

sidenote: if ya like leslies...saw j. geils band reunion tour last summer. key player played through a clear, plexiglass b-3 and six, count 'em, six clear plexiglass leslie 147's! prince has a clear b-3 too...

 

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Beware, different Leslies have different wiring diagrams too. The Leslie 147 differs from the Leslie 122. You can find wiring dia's on the many Hammond websites.

 

The Leslie 925 has its own preamp with jack input. It has a big JBL driver for the horn and it's LOUD.

 

I use it for geetar and it sounds great.

 

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Originally posted by Tedster:

We're working on a CD. The studio has a Leslie for their B3. I've always liked the occasional guitar through Leslie sound (better than chorus)...like the middle part of "Badge". What's the best way to run it? (I've never used a Leslie).

Hey Tedster, Sorry I took so long. Been tied up in the studio for days myself. My organ tech was just over doing some work on my leslie and I asked him about the 1/4" into the leslie. He said there is no easy way to do it. He said a combo preamp is about the only answer. Surely someone around town has one you could use for a few days. Good Luck, John

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Originally posted by mzeger:

I don't if he used a real Leslie or a simulator, but Charlie Hunter's sound on "Natty Dread" is great. He comps like a B3 player, with unbelievable "walking" bass lines, all on his 8 string. This guy kills me.

That sounds interesting :)

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I used to own a Cordovox CL-30 Leslie cabinet. I got it for free and sold it for $200, so I figure I made out like a bandit! :D Financed my second Marshall JCM 800 clone with the proceeds.

 

I really liked playing through it, but it was big, bulky, and I can copy it's tone so close with the $50 rack-mount delay/flanger I bought off e-bay that I'm not in the least bit upset at having sold it. :)

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Oh, man, Tedster, I LOVE "Badge"! What a great tune, and that "Leslie" bridge to the solo segment is absolutely stunning!

 

I've always wanted to try the real deal old Leslie thing with guitar, but never gotten the opportunity. I do know one guy who occasionally plays out with a band that uses just the rotating top section- with the horn and "dummy" horn for balance- and without the rotor-drum "woofer" cab. I do not know the details of his wiring scheme, only that it sounded great and added just enough effectto the FOH sound.

 

If you do get the mad scientist NASA part squared away, try switching the footbutton to speed up and slow down between the two speeds- "High" and "Low"- as this is a big part of many an accomplished B-3 organist's or Leslie-totin' guitarist's trick-bag.

 

Also, for maximum effect in the mix, try stereo micing, prefferably with two mics (as opposed to one stereo mic) equally spaced, triangulating on the cab. Experiment with distance, and all that blah blah blah blah blah I'll shut up now... !

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