Compact Diss Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 that was the latest warning or safety measure just given out by the Government. The new threat level is the reason. Shit is getting crazy. Anyone ever been in the Amry and did the gas chamber? we know what that hell is like :freak:
Addix Metzatricity Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I was in the Navy, but we had the "Confidence Chamber"... It was horrid. I didn't know I had that much stuff in my nose! "Bass isn't just for breakfast anymore..." http://www.mp3.com/Addix_Metzatricity
NOT Bolt Rifles Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 It feels like the inside of your face is on fire. Not fun. "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams "I am a senior member, and thereby entilted to all the privileges and rights accorded said status" -- NBR
Chip McDonald Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Compact Diss: [b]that was the latest warning or safety measure just given out by the Government. The new threat level is the reason. Shit is getting crazy. Anyone ever been in the Amry and did the gas chamber? we know what that hell is like :freak: [/b][/quote]Where did you see/hear/read this???? Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
StoneKnife Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I have been contracting with a Gov't agency in this area (whose three initials end with _SA) since September 12th. Foggetabout it. Have some wine. A better investment. ;) "We are the Federales... You know, the Mounted Police..." ---"If you're the police, where are your badges?" "Bodges?..."
The Studio Pet-Rock Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I just saw this too. It was on cnbc a little while ago.....
Chip McDonald Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 GEez, now I've found it... Hmmm.. 3 days worth of water and food, auto and home supplies... ..and plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal windows and doors. That would either be a threat against a nuclear facility (fallout), or a hydro-electric plant. In the southeast supposedly. They also hinted around about apartment complexes or a hotel? So they've received a threat generalized against a power plant possibly, somehow connected with a hotel or apartment complex? Hmm. Well, at least when they start bombing Iraq all of the terror threats here in the U.S. will stop. Right........? Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
Chip McDonald Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by StoneKnife: [b]Foggetabout it. Have some wine. A better investment. ;) [/b][/quote]So what's that supposed to mean? Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
The Studio Pet-Rock Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I think it means party like it's 1999. You know - before all this stupid shit began.
Compact Diss Posted February 11, 2003 Author Posted February 11, 2003 Homeland officials stress citizen preparedness Precautions issued for weathering attack By John Mintz, Washington Post, 2/11/2003 ASHINGTON - Top federal officials yesterday issued their most pointed advice since Sept. 11, 2001, on precautions the public should take against terrorist attacks, advising that every home should be stocked with three days worth of water and food in case of a strike with chemical, biological, or radiological weapons. They also recommended that families consider designating a room where they will gather in the event of such an attack and have on hand duct tape and heavy plastic sheeting to seal it, as well as scissors, a manual can opener, blankets, flashlights, radios and spare batteries. The officials said they believe the Qaeda terrorist network is particularly targeting New York and Washington. Ranking officials of the Department of Homeland Security told reporters at a briefing that Americans must take some personal responsibility for protecting themselves, but stressed that people should not feel panicked or abandoned by government. ''We see information on citizen preparedness as prudent planning,'' said Gordon Johndroe, the department's spokesman. But given Al Qaeda's interest in obtaining weapons of mass destruction, he added, ''it's appropriate for citizens to be informed about how to respond to a terrorist attack, much as people have prepared for years to be ready for tornadoes, hurricanes, or floods.'' ''You have to talk to your family, and plan how you're going to communicate with each other'' after a devastating terrorist attack, said David Paulison, the US fire administrator, a top civil defense planner for the new department. For example, he said, families could designate a third party with whom telephone messages can be left. While much of the information in yesterday's briefing has been previously offered to the public on government websites, the news conference was an effort to emphasize it. The briefing came three days after they raised the national terrorist threat index to indicate a ''high risk'' of attack by Al Qaeda on US targets here and abroad. Officials suggested privately that they don't want the gravity of the current threat overlooked. Department officials were offering what one acknowledged was ''a complex message'' with several elements. The first is that people must mentally rehearse for a future attack, even though it's an unsettling exercise. Yet officials want citizens to remain calm and not to view the situation as dire. Law enforcement and homeland security officials have come under some criticism since soon after the Sept. 11 attacks for offering the public frightening but vague warnings, and at the same time giving little guidance about what people can do. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and Attorney General John Ashcroft have often said Americans should ''be vigilant,'' and on New Year's Eve, people were advised to ''avoid crowds.'' Specialists on terrorism said that given large amounts of new intelligence, especially from Europe, suggesting that Americans could be targeted by weapons of mass destruction, US government officials faced the same public relations quandary they have faced in the past, but with higher stakes this time. ''While police departments and local governments have a menu of steps they take in reaction to the higher threat alerts, private citizens don't, and there's not a hell of a lot an ordinary citizen can do,'' said Brian Jenkins, a Rand Corporation specialist on counterterrorism. ''That creates consternation, maybe even an atmosphere of terror that terrorists want to create. And so that leads the government now to try to offer advice to people.'' This story ran on page A2 of the Boston Globe on 2/11/2003
Rick K. Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote][b]Specialists on terrorism said that given large amounts of new intelligence, especially from Europe, suggesting that Americans could be targeted by weapons of mass destruction, US government officials faced the same public relations quandary they have faced in the past, but with higher stakes this time. [/b][/quote]Those WMD's keep coming up in the news. It's a very scary thing!
jackpine Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Guys... just remember the Reagan years.... From a speech by Dr. Helen Caldicott (snip) "Do you remember the book, With Enough Shovels. They said, don't worry about nuclear war. With enough shovels to go around, we're all going to make it. And you know the missiles only take 20-30 minutes to get here from Russia. So their plan was officially, that you get out your shovel and you dig a hole, six feet long and three feet wide and I don't know how deep, you get in the hole and you put doors on top, so you carry around a screwdriver at all times to take the doors off, and you put dirt on top. And that will save you from a nuclear war? And they said, it's the dirt that does it. And that honestly was your safety plan for a nuclear war." Plastic and duct tape....... I feel safer now. www.relayerstudios.com
realtrance Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 First proof positive that there's a government/corporate conspiracy afoot between the CIA and Home Depot. Don't be surprised if you hear, "Home Improvement industry boom!" propaganda in the news come late February, early March. I'll just re-use my wooden planks, they're more environmentally friendly. And I'll buy my Perrier when [b]I[/b] want to, thank you, not when any government agency tells me I should! Oh.. and I hear duct tape is good for warts, anyways, so that's probably good to have on hand, if you don't already. And construction paper, Elmer's glue and scissors, for entertainment while you duck and cover. rt
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Geez. My problem is that whenever I have three days' worth of food in my house, we [i]eat[/i] it. I'm not going to do well in the post-apocolyptic world. ;) - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon
Botch. Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Also make sure you've got gas in that generator you bought for the millenium turnover... Botch "Eccentric language often is symptomatic of peculiar thinking" - George Will www.puddlestone.net
ECBRules Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Damn. I banned duct tape from my studio. It makes such a mess. http://www.kennyruyter.com/old/cowmix.mp3 <- Cowbell fever REMIX oh damn!!! http://www.eastcoastbands.com aka: ECBRules . thisOLDdude . keny . Scooch
thisDude Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Man, I haven't heard this yet, but when I used to work for a food broker, the execs would go ape shit when hurricanes or tropical storms would be heading our way. Grocers would double up on water and batteries and the execs would seriously have "hurricane partys" because sales goals would be met so early. Don't beleive the hype. Buying duct tape isn't going to help anyone except the guy who sells duct tape.
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Dood, everyone knows that duct tape fixes everything. Seriously, though, I think I'm going to live my life as if nothing was going on...Because there is nothing going on. If someone wants to kill me because I'm an American, because I value what I have and don't covet what I don't, and all that other crap, then so be it. I will have the clear conscience, not him. I will go to the good place in the sky, he won't. I will live on, he will not. I'm not worried about it. I will live my life how I want to live it, and no one's going to stop me.
QE3 Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I didn't panic for the millenium, I just got in 4 - 3 gallon containers of drinking water and some canned food and stored them under a table in my studio. Over the years I forgot completely about the "stores". Also over the months a whole bunch of other stuff, boxes, unused odds and sods found it's way under the same table (I'm a pack rat). About a month ago I started smelling this damp, "basement" smell, couldn't think where it was coming from in a dry, heated basement studio??? You guessed it, those plastic containers you buy water in from your local grocery only have a shelf life of about 2 years after which they degrade and start to leak big time! It took me 4 hours to clean up the mess and I had to throw a bunch of mouldy carpet out and bleach everything too. Fortunately no equipment damage. The canned food I bought at the same time was all out-of-date too, I didn't think canned food expired THAT quickly, It's Perrier and Twinkies for me next time.
Curve Dominant Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Stocking up on water is in case the public water supplies are attacked via contamination. It looks like the plastic and ducttape are anticipating aireal release of chemo/bio weaponry. If you lived in a metropolitan area, you wouldn't be taking this as a joke right now. Gotta go...headed to Home Depot. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com
Jotown Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 The level of distrust in this administration is so high right now, that it's hard to even take the warning seriously. Is this just more propoganda to whip us into war fever and keep us in fear? It is so sad to be living in this world climate of terror and not be able to believe in your leadership. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Lee Flier Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I think it's really goofy NOT to have an emergency preparedness plan in your house, and not just because of terrorism. I can't imagine NOT having a week's supply of food and water on hand, not to mention alternative sources of heat, lighting, first aid kit, communication, etc. Plastic sheets are a must too, preferably the insulated kind - they can be used to cover your roof in a storm if something falls on it and causes a leak, to cover windows and under doors and keep heat in if you don't have any, to keep noxious gas fumes from getting into the house (biological and chemical terrorism aren't the only possible sources for toxic gases to get into residential neighborhoods). And we all joke about duct tape but it really is useful for lots and lots of things, especially in an emergency. Everybody should keep a few rolls on hand. All of this stuff is just common sense and it's not that hard to just buy the stuff you need and forget about it except to check it a couple of times a year and change out supplies if necessary. People used to always ask me (as a computer programmer) about the Y2K scare in the late 90's and although I would reassure them that nothing really bad was going to happen (and half of them didn't believe me anyway so I don't even know why they asked), I found it astounding how unprepared most people were for any emergency. People asked if they should stock up food for Y2K and I'd say "Look, you should stock up food ANYWAY! There are all sorts of situations that could happen that are FAR less predictable than Y2K!" People just complacently rely on the system as if it couldn't possibly break down. Ironically, two weeks AFTER 1/1/2000 Atlanta was hit with a major ice storm that knocked out power for several days. A lot of people were completely panicked - the ones that had electric stoves, electric water heaters, electric furnaces, cordless phones and no backup alternatives for anything. :rolleyes: The stores soon ran out of firewood, kerosene, propane, and space heaters and kerosene lamps. People were going to Home Depot's and buying 2x4's and burning them. Really, it's NOT that hard to avoid this sort of thing!
knunchucksammy Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b] Seriously, though, I think I'm going to live my life as if nothing was going on...Because there is nothing going on. If someone wants to kill me because I'm an American, because I value what I have and don't covet what I don't, and all that other crap, then so be it. I will have the clear conscience, not him. I will go to the good place in the sky, he won't. I will live on, he will not. I'm not worried about it. I will live my life how I want to live it, and no one's going to stop me.[/b][/quote]Amen brother.... except the heaven thing. If there is a heaven and hell than I am going to hell. I am one of the nicest and honest people that I know, but for some reason I just can't bring myself to believe in god. If god exists than I don't care for him because what kind of creator would leave his world behind like it is now. With no evidence of his existence and no aid in anyway. Allowing his people to kill in the name of god.... No thanks. Satan and I go way back anyway.... Matt
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]Seriously, though, I think I'm going to live my life as if nothing was going on...Because there is nothing going on. If someone wants to kill me because I'm an American, because I value what I have and don't covet what I don't, and all that other crap, then so be it.[/b][/quote]I hear ya brotha...except I have a family to protect, and it's not up to me to expect my values should be inflicted on them. If I were a bachelor, it'd be a different story. But my son is three and it's my job to make him safe him from [i]everything[/i]. That's the only thing that pisses me off about the whole damn thing. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon
Jotown Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Lee Flier wrote: [quote]I think it's really goofy NOT to have an emergency preparedness plan in your house, and not just because of terrorism. [/quote]Exactly right. We all should have the basic emergency supplies. I just can't let myself get caught up in the hype. It's interesting that this upgrade of the terrorism alert comes the same week that the plan to expand the Patriot act leaks out. What are the newscasters in your community talking about? Not the patriot act. It is all so disingenuous. Watch the front door for sure, but you better keep your eye on the back door as well. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Franknputer Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Food, water, etc. are good ideas. Plastic & Duct Tape? Gimme a break...how's that going to help? If contaminants are airborne, then we're all going to run into the spare bedroom & tape plastic everywhere, making a little airtight bubble for ourselves to live in? Don't think so. If it's not airtight, then you're at best slowing the process. If it IS airtight, then how long can you stay in there, and do you think the govt. will have the place cleaned up & decontaminated in time for you to come out? Is bottled O2 on the list as well? Sounds to me like that duck & cover bullshit. Somthing to make us feel proactive. [i]OK, kids, get under your desks - you'll be safe there![/i] And while you're down there, be sure to put your head between your legs...and pucker up. :rolleyes:
Lee Flier Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Actually Christopher, it really depends what the contaminant is and how much of it is released. Plastic and duct tape won't help the worst case scenario, but there are a lot of "non worst case scenarios" where it could indeed help, because in fact all that is needed is to slow down the contaminant enough for it to disperse into the air. The biggest "hindrance" using biological or chemical weapons is getting enough stuff to actually do an appreciable amount of damage. Realistically, such attacks would be limited to pretty small areas, and there would only be any danger for a short time, until the virus dies or the chemical is dispersed into the atmosphere sufficiently that it doesn't pose a threat. If you happen to be a Ground Zero in such an attack (or the accidental release of hazardous chemical or viruses), you're probably dead anyway, but if you're on the outskirts it might easily save you from serious harm. And no I'm not "buying the hype" - like I said, to me it's a matter of course to be prepared for emergencies at any time. The cost of educating yourself about these things and being prepared is very little, and it could make a big difference to you or a loved one some day.
WFTurner Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 An Israeli made the point on one of the news channels, all that stuff ain't gonna do ya much good without a gas mask. Must have been an oversite on our inexperienced Homeland Security. Plastic, duck tape, bottled water and three days of can goods, batteries and flashlights and what not. Walmart's gonna like this. Considering our own breed of idiots in this country, better add a gun to that list when the chaos hits. William F. Turner Songwriter turnersongs Sometimes the truth is rude... tough shit... get used to it.
realtrance Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Finally, a plan for economic recovery. :rolleyes: I agree with Lee, I've been a hiker/camper my whole adult life, so I'm always prepared. I just consider my current housing a kind of upgrade over basic preparedness anyways, so none of this has me rushing out to buy anything. Well, come to think of it, we could use a new tent.... naaah. rt
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]Finally, a plan for economic recovery. :rolleyes: I agree with Lee, I've been a hiker/camper my whole adult life, so I'm always prepared. I just consider my current housing a kind of upgrade over basic preparedness anyways, so none of this has me rushing out to buy anything. Well, come to think of it, we could use a new tent.... naaah. rt[/b][/quote]I've been a hiker/camper my WHOLE life, and I only pack/bring what's absolutely necessary, sometimes even less than that. I went to New Mexico this summer, and got my pack down to only 14 lbs of personal stuff. Everyone else's weighed at least 20-25. I think I can handle this without going crazy over buying all this stuff. Most likely, nothing's going to happen, and if it does, we won't know it until it's over. Until we're dead. So there's really no point.
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