Joachim P. Dyndale Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Anyone considered this? Seems like it'll blow all competition away... Will music apps like Cubase SX and plug-ins directly benefit from the larger cache, dobbled data paths, 19.2 GB/s data transfer per CPU, possibility of having 4 CPUs in a workstation configuration, 64bit instruction set/128bit multimedia instructions etc...? Read more higlights [url=http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_4699_7981^7987,00.html]here[/url] . And last but not least: Will this thing cost me everything I own? -Joachim Dyndale -------------------- Einstein: The difference between genius and stupidity is: Genius has limits My Blog...
Alndln Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Joachim P. Dyndale: [b]And last but not least: Will this thing cost me everything I own?[/b][/quote]Probably.Most server boards and proc's are priced a lot higher than desktop.The new Barton's that come out tommorow(Feb. 11) are around $650.00(U.S.)for the 3,000ghz(333FSB)so you figure the 64 bit Hammers will probably be similar when they come out this spring.The Opteron's will be much higher than the Hammers($$$)so times that by 4 plus a much more expensive new socket 8 server mobo.A little rich for my blood. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
Joachim P. Dyndale Posted February 11, 2003 Author Posted February 11, 2003 Just wanted to point out that the Bartons that are being released now are 2.176 GHz or something, not 3GHz. The clock speed is actually lower than that of the fastest XP CPU, but as the Bartons' architecture is different I'm sure it'll be faster. The server mobos might be a bit on the expensive side, but I don't think the workstation mobos will be too bad (relatively speaking). Yes, the new Bartons are around $650, but in a couple of months (might have to make that 3-4 months) the price will be 50% of what it is now. So I might be able to afford a dual Opteron setup around September, I hope. I hope Steinberg has already started optimizing Cubase SX for these new AMD CPUs. And I hope Microsoft will release a service pack that includes optimizations for them as well. I love the fact that these new CPUs don't have a FSB, in the traditional sense. It's built into the CPU, so the "FSB" is the same speed as the CPU! -Joachim Dyndale -------------------- Einstein: The difference between genius and stupidity is: Genius has limits My Blog...
Alndln Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Joachim P. Dyndale: [b]Just wanted to point out that the Bartons that are being released now are 2.176 GHz or something, not 3GHz. The clock speed is actually lower than that of the fastest XP CPU [/b][/quote]That's correct.Here's chart for those in the midst of upgrading. 266FSB XP1700=1.47Ghz XP1800=1.53Ghz XP1900=1.60GHz XP2000=1.66Ghz XP2100=1.73Ghz XP2200=1.80Ghz XP2400=2.00Ghz XP2600=2.13Ghz 333FSB XP2600=2.08Ghz XP2700=2.17Ghz XP2800=2.25Ghz 333FSB Barton 512k L2 XP2500=1.83Ghz XP2800=2.083Ghz XP3000=2.16Ghz "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
Alndln Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Ok,someone posted this question about mobo availibility for the Opteron at the AMDZONE forums,and an extremely knowledgable user by the name of "Cat Barf"(don't laugh) replied [quote]posted by Cat Barf : [b]Opteron isn't going to be a do it yourself system. Almost everything being done for Opterons is from Newisys designs and subbed out to other manufacturers. Add to that, you are looking at a 10k cost for a system. It's designed as a server, not a desktop. I am doubtful you'll actually see nVidia or VIA boards for Opteron for quite some time. [/b][/quote]Hope this puts it to rest,at least for a long time. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
Joachim P. Dyndale Posted February 11, 2003 Author Posted February 11, 2003 But how about the workstations? Gotta be cheaper than $10K!! There's a pretty big difference between 2 and 8 CPU's... But I'm sure a dual Opteron system will be at least $2K. :( This sucks. I've been waiting for these CPU's for quite some time. I might have to start considering the Barton MP's. I'm sure they'll be good, but I was hoping AMD would want to completely blow away all competion in the $1K-$2K range of computers.... -Joachim Dyndale -------------------- Einstein: The difference between genius and stupidity is: Genius has limits My Blog...
Alndln Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Joachim P. Dyndale: [b]This sucks. I've been waiting for these CPU's for quite some time. [/b][/quote]What's wrong with a dual 64 bit Hammer which is due around the same time? "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
Jotown Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]What's wrong with a dual 64 bit Hammer which is due around the same time? [/quote]Hey Alndln, Which MOBO would you be putting those dual 64 bit Hammers' in, for music of course? Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Alndln Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b]Hey Alndln, Which MOBO would you be putting those dual 64 bit Hammers' in, for music of course?[/b][/quote]The Sledgehammers will require completely new socket 8 boards/sockets which are not out yet.NVidea has been working on the Krush K-8 for some time,so I's guess that NForce should have a nice jump on this right out of the gate.I'm just hoping that either NForce/SiS or even Ali get into the dual chipset buisness because the 760 is getting ancient. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
Joachim P. Dyndale Posted February 12, 2003 Author Posted February 12, 2003 I'd just like to point out that SledgeHammer = Opteron! I just got the impression that you were not aware of this. The ClawHammer = Athlon 64. From the FAQ: [quote][b] Q: What are the differences between the AMD Opteron processor and the AMD Athlon 64 processor? A: The primary difference between the AMD Opteron processor and the AMD Athlon 64 processor is in the number of HyperTransport links embedded on the chip. The AMD Athlon 64 processor contains one HyperTransport link offering 6.4 GB/s data transfer while the AMD Opteron processor offers three links. The processors also contain different amounts of cache. [/b][/quote]I want the Opteron!!! :) But OK, the Athlon64 looks pretty good too... -Joachim Dyndale -------------------- Einstein: The difference between genius and stupidity is: Genius has limits My Blog...
Sylver Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Just my two cents, but I would be wary of any brand new processor and MB combo, especially from AMD, no offense. The current Athons are a pretty safe bet from what I've read, but my experince with non-intel CPU's is that some compatability issue eventually raises it's head. They just make me wary, especially if it's a DAW. When I upgrade in the near future, I am 99% sure it's going to be a IP4. BTW, I wouldn't buy a first generation Intel either. Let them work out the bugs before throwing bucks at them. They'll be cheaper and more stable and powerful after six months or so. I really don't know what to put here.
Alndln Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sylver needs a new job: [b]Just my two cents, but I would be wary of any brand new processor and MB combo, especially from AMD, no offense. [/b][/quote]That's pretty much ancient history,with AMD stability given a bad rep by old Via chipsets.So far, all SiS/NForce(last 2 years) and even Ali have been solid and blazingly fast.With any of the above named chipsets on Asus/Abit or MSI,you'd be hard put to go wrong.The key to any succsessful AMD setup is proper chipset,quality board and especially quality memory and PSU,scimp and go budget on those last 2 and you'll be looking for help in no time.At the same token it's usually smart to wait for at least 1 bios update on a new board/chipset. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
Sylver Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 I've certainly been tempted by the Athlon systems. I read on the Cakewalknet.com site that most people are reporting faster performance with the AMD vs. Intel at the same speed. What a time to have this conversation, I'll be ordering a new system within a week. OK, I'll bite ... What chipset MB and memory do you recommend? Hmmmmm, how about a dual Processor system ala what Craig has? Same question. I guess it would be more affordable than a Xeon system, which is out of my range. Not that I've made any choices as of yet ... AMD still makes me nervous, but the prices are tempting. I really don't know what to put here.
polyt Posted February 13, 2003 Posted February 13, 2003 Sylver, I can't speak to any dual proc solutions, but I have to recommend nvidia's nforce 2 chipset. Quite a few mfg's are making a wide variety of configurations. I'm sure you can find a good fit. If I were to do it over again, I wouldn't buy anything right now that didn't officially support the Barton processors (the next generation Athlons). Rumors indicate my board will do it, but no one knows for sure. It's safe to retire all the AMD stability misinfo that's floating around. My new system is as stable as can be. Before that I was running a Duron on a VIA chipset, and even that was rock solid after upgrading to WinXP.
mattzen Posted February 13, 2003 Posted February 13, 2003 I'm running a ASUS mobo with an Athalon XP2400 and the nforce2 chipset. I use Cubase SX. Very fast and stable machine. I have built about 30 PCs for music now and this one has been my best yet!
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