THOR_dup2 Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Anybody know of a good set of 12s for electric with a plain "G" string(18,19,20)? I think Ernie Ball used to make a set. I'd rather not have to build custom sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 THOR , ghs Guitar Boomers : HEAVY: 12 , 16 , 19 plain, 28 , 38 , 52.... At least that's what it says on the back of the pack... So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR_dup2 Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 Khan, Those would be perfect! Are you sure they still make those? Didn't see 'em at their website. http://www.ghsstrings.com/electric.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 I got a deal about a year ago and bought two cases (10-46) , so maybe they don't make them anymore . If not sorry for the out of date info. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/redface.gif So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Boy, you must like pain, Thor...hahaha.. I read SRV used to use strings that heavy. Geez...I'll stick with my wimpy 9s. I did a cold session with a buddy back in Michigan last summer. Had never heard the tune, he just wanted me to do a solo on it. Well, it wasn't a simple I-IV-V, so I kinda developed what I played over quite a few takes. Each time I'd get closer and we'd do it again. I don't think my fingers have hurt that bad for a long time, and I was using 10s. I wouldn't have had anything left if I'd have been using 12s. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 You should be able to find standard .012 sets with a plain G string, but you may not find them in your local music shop. The store may need to special order them for you, but not because it's an odd set, because it's just not as common of a set that every shop would stock in quantity, as they would a standard set of .012s (which, as you know, usually comes with a wound G). I'm pretty sure that this set is available from D'Addario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratman_dup1 Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Gotta have em Tedster, I CAN'T play anything less than 11's now that I've gotten used to heavy strings. I tried playin a strat the other night with 10's on it and I kept hookin the high E ont the pickups!!! I'm here to tell ya, that'll get annoying REALLY quick. You get used to em, just like anything else. When I get a band going and start playing out regularly again I'm gonna have 12's put on my Strat. TONE BABY!!!!! One question though Thor, Khan, Lisa- Why specifically do you want the third string plain?? What does this give you, or not give you as the case may be. Just curious. This message has been edited by Stratman on 02-13-2001 at 11:50 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Thor , I know yoiu didn't want to build custom sets , but musicians friend has what looks like a killer deal on 12 packs in each string guage. plain (10-22) ,for $1.64(that's for 12 strings!). The wound are more of course , but should still average out a under $4 per set. www.musiciansfriend.com/ex/search/strings/010213200922216163114082215443?FIND=ARBA&q=c&page=8&csel= So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Stratman , I play 10-46 , just trying to help out a new friend in need . BTW Thor , that link gives you page 8 of strings .The wound strings are on pgs. 9 & 10 (links on bottom of the page) So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Roto sound makes 'em like that. I never even knew they made anything but bass strings before someone turned me onto these. They last really long and sound great. Speaking of slinky, we were just talking the other day about this guy we used to know that could never keep his SG in tune. He used and 8, 9 and 10 for his 1st 3. go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR_dup2 Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 Khan, Thanks bro. Looks like the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR_dup2 Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 Stratman, I need the G string to be unwound 'cuz I gotta bend strings! I'd have to be as strong as a gorilla to bend a wound twenty all night long, not to mention the wound G doesn't cut through like the plains do. I'm right there with you on the benefits of bigger strings. Ever since that first SRV Austin City Limits where he goes nuts bending those 13's all over the place like they were spider wires (of course he did tune down and use frets off a Jazz bass I heard) I've been all about the fat string/big frets combo, except I do it on a hot-rodded Les Paul. That guitar through a Rat into my Orange 2X12/Twin Reverb rig yields a tone to be reckoned with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 15, 2001 Share Posted February 15, 2001 But, I guess anyone who uses 12s and 13s is a wimp as far as Dick Dale is concerned. I read somewhere he uses 14s!!!! No wonder you don't hear a lot of whole tone or greater bends in surf... And yep, can't bend a wound string fer beans... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratman_dup1 Posted February 15, 2001 Share Posted February 15, 2001 Originally posted by THOR: Stratman, I need the G string to be unwound 'cuz I gotta bend strings! I'd have to be as strong as a gorilla to bend a wound twenty all night long, not to mention the wound G doesn't cut through like the plains do. I'm right there with you on the benefits of bigger strings. Ever since that first SRV Austin City Limits where he goes nuts bending those 13's all over the place like they were spider wires (of course he did tune down and use frets off a Jazz bass I heard) I've been all about the fat string/big frets combo, except I do it on a hot-rodded Les Paul. That guitar through a Rat into my Orange 2X12/Twin Reverb rig yields a tone to be reckoned with. Thanks Thor, I never really thought about that. I run 11's on mine right now. D'Addario, turns out they have a plain third. Guess that would explain why I can wrap the G string around the neck when bending http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I'm playing a 60's reissue Strat with a Boss Blues Driver into a Crate VC5212 50 watt all tube amp. I mainly use the Boss for beefed up clean to slightly dirty tones and save the nasty dirt for my amp. The dirty channel on that thing sounds great all by itslef. I have been considering getting one of those adjustable Tube Screamers though, just want to check it out. Also am going to be getting a Vox Wah, my crybaby died and After I heard someone playing through a Vox I just gotta get one. I also run through An Alesis Nanoverb from time to time. I'd love to get a leslie but don't have the cash, or the back, to justify one. I can't wait till I get to gigging again so I can put 12's on my Strat, MMMMMMMM TONE!!! That should be an advertising slogan, Or do a rip off of the milk comercials. Ya know, " Got Tone??" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR_dup2 Posted February 15, 2001 Author Share Posted February 15, 2001 Tedster, Yeah, Dick Dale is a monster player and he'll shure tell you all about it when you see him live. There is no denying the gargantuan contributions he has made to modern music with his playing and his involvement with the development of the Stratocaster but, he really rubbed me wrong when I saw him play live. The show was going great until he broke a string(apparently this happens a couple times a show). You'd think the "King of Surf Guitar" would have a couple of extra Strats lying around. Nope. If front of a thousand people he proceeded to change his broken strings and tune up(out loud!) all the while reminding the crowd how amazing it was he could even break a string so huge. "Man I play with 14s!", "Wow that was a 28!, sometimes I don't know my own strength" "Yeah man, I melt my picks all the time" Nodody but guitar players even had a clue, or gave a shit for that matter, what the hell he was talking about. This happenned twice by the way and wasted about 25min of the show. That machismo shredder crap is of no intrest to me. Sounds like he needs to get with his guitar tech and figure out why he breaks so many strings. All was well when the music resumed though. The ferocity of his playing and the tone he generates is something to see live and I still have the utmost respect for him and his "living legend" status. I just wish he'd shut his trap and play. OK, rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHHorvath Posted February 17, 2001 Share Posted February 17, 2001 The topic of this thread? I'm not so sure anymore... On acoustic guitar, I think you can get to a point where lighter strings don't deliver the goods, but the hassle of strings that are too heavey just ain't worth it -- there's a point of diminishing returns. On electric, there was a time I worried that by playing on 9s, I was shortchanging my tone. Then I read an interview in Guitar Player magazine where B.B. King mentioned he plays on 9s! Go figure! It sure SOUNDS like he's got heavier strings... After reading that, I thought about it and realized my amp has TONE controls, and so does the guitar. So I just go with whatever feels right and resonds well to my touch, and I use my ears to twist the knobs until it sound right. Seems to work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted February 17, 2001 Share Posted February 17, 2001 JohnHHorvath wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I thought about it and realized my amp has TONE controls, and so does the guitar. So I just go with whatever feels right and resonds well to my touch, and I use my ears to twist the knobs until it sound right. Seems to work! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good point John I to favour lighter guage 9's seems to help my playing. I just hit them harder. The tone controls on the amps are there to help, if it was all down to string guage we wouldn't need them. I've yet to notice any tonal problems or had any complaints. Its just what your used to and what you know. Simon http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbreez Posted February 17, 2001 Share Posted February 17, 2001 9s sing better that heavier strings. 10s do but a lesser degree. I used 10s for many years and recently switched to 9s. That's when I found out how well they sing. Heavy strings have a stiff sound to them. Buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave251 Posted February 17, 2001 Share Posted February 17, 2001 I guess I'm in the room with the "heavy" guys... The higher the tension is on the string results in three major benefits. 1. Tonal center. As string tension increase, the tonal center becomes more stable, ie, for a given amount of picking force, the string "stretches" less during the attack transient, resulting in a better pitch stability, better "in tuneness". 2. Stronger fundamental. More of the "root" pitch comes through, resulting in greater clarity and definition of pitch. 3. Larger dynamic range. Since the string can be hit harder with less buzzing and rattling, and the tonal center is more stable with a heavy attack, dynamics greatly increase. This is not as important with "distorted" tones as the amplifier is "limiting" dynamics through clipping and/or natural tube compression. This really comes into play a lot more with players who like a clean, clear setting on their amps and use less efx to derive their sound. Of particular importance to blues players who like to hang back and play clean, but when ready to solo, "jump on it", making that amp distort just right...the wider dynamics of the large string really has more touch sensitivity because of it. My guitars are designed to play "clean"...so are equipped with 11/50 plain 3rd(18) or 12/52 wound 3rd(considered a light ga. jazz or acoustic set). www.electrocoustic.com Dave Wendler Instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratman_dup1 Posted February 17, 2001 Share Posted February 17, 2001 Well, as far as the whole heavy string gage versus light string gage thing goes. This is the great thing about music, we are all right!! I can say heavy gage strings are the best, and for me they are. Someone else can say light gage strings are best, and ya know what?? For them they are. That's one thing about music that I really love, we all have our opinions and when it boils down to it, we are all right. What works for you may not work for me but who cares as long as YOUR happy with your setup http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif AS far as the amp having tone controls, sure it does, but tone doesn't just come from having a few knobs turned to a certain number. Besides that, a LARGE part of the reason I use heavy gage strings isn't about tone, though that has a lot to do with it. A lot of the reason I like heavy strings is I have a VERY hard attack on the strings when I start rippin into a solo, also on funky syncopated rhythm for that matter. If I didn't have heavy gage strings on I would break them all the time, or be hooking the high E on the pickups all night. Plus it's easier for me to do precise bends with them. Once again, just my opinion, but what do you care as long as your happy with your rig. This message has been edited by Stratman on 02-17-2001 at 02:53 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 17, 2001 Share Posted February 17, 2001 Amen, Stratman. I'll just keep playing my "girly man" .009s and let you all get pumped up...hahahaha... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK_dup2 Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Jesus KHAN 12's Wow you got some hands I play 10's if I play any higher my carpal and repedative stress problems start up. I can play 11's if I am tuned down to Eb, but I hate setting up my Strats trems to float to that tension. I do find better tone with bigger strings but not enough to deal with the problems that I run into. As simon said I will just adust at the amp as best as I can. Hasta BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 BK Wrote: Jesus KHAN 12's Wow you got some hands. ------------------------- Hmm... "Jesus Khan"...I like it ! ! ! Has a certain ring , don't you think? Unfortunately , I play 10-46 sets (you might want to re-read this thread concentrating on comprehension, not speed .) ... http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/blah.gif Citizen KHAN http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm2/puke.gif -------------------- Just thought of something. Maybe I should try practicing guitar concentrating on comprehension, not speed...Nah... http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/cwm/errrr.gif This message has been edited by KHAN on 02-19-2001 at 03:09 AM So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Hey Khan Off topic but where in the heck did you get that rather coooool icon? Share and share alike ya know!! Simon http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 SIMON , I COULD TELL YA , BUT THEN I'D HAVE TO... http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net5/greenchainsaw.gif KHAN http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net5/bongsmi.gif So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 20, 2001 Share Posted February 20, 2001 I'd bet it's like one of those "stickdeath" sites...I'm a big fan of stick men meeting their makers in corny animation..hahahaha.. Why grow up? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted February 20, 2001 Share Posted February 20, 2001 Hey Khan You is one sad mutha brotha...... And Tedster.. yep whop the hell wants to grow up..... You're as old as the woman ya feel if ya know what I mean!! Simon http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 20, 2001 Share Posted February 20, 2001 Doh. http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/diablo/MEGA1.GIF ------------------- http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net4/0000007.gif http://smilecwm.tripod.com/ This message has been edited by KHAN on 02-19-2001 at 06:50 PM So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK_dup2 Posted February 20, 2001 Share Posted February 20, 2001 Yes KHAN My speed reading skills are crappy at best.... And Jesus Khan does have a certian ring -- kind of like a Star Trek Character or something, How bout Chaka Khan http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Its great being a TOYs R Us Kid...... BKKKKKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOR_dup2 Posted February 21, 2001 Author Share Posted February 21, 2001 JohnHHorvath, Yeah, I was equally astonished to read Billy Gibbons played with 8's! It's all (well, most of it) in the hands baby. TONE controls can only take you so far. Ask Jeff Beck(I have no clue what string guage he uses). Take one Les Paul with 9s and one with 11s and find yourself a nice clean Fender tube amp crank it up and have a go at it. If the difference isn't staring you right in the face then you may be a lost cause. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif By the way, B.B. King doesn't play rhythm guitar. dave@electrocoustic.com hit it right on the head with the big brain analysis. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif lrbreez, Huh? have you ever heard Texas Flood? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/confused.gif Stratman, i'm right there with you. You sound like you attack the strings like I do. I can't even walk into a music store anymore and give a floor model a thorough raggin'. Can't keep 'em in tune due to the fact that all the guitars are strung with 9's. 9's on a LP? What's the world coming to? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif Oh well, I guess girls have to buy guitars too. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/tongue.gif Which reminds me...I recently took on a very green female guitar student who couldn't play a lick. She asked me to set up her electric for her and I hooked her up with 11's. She had never known 9s or 10s. It's only been a month and she's already bending strings with little discomfort. Hmmmm... makes you wonder. It's the little things that make it all worth it. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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