Jode Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Every day I come here and there's some new political/current events thread. I can't speak for everyone, but I get tired of coming to a MUSIC website looking for MUSIC discussions about MUSIC, and I find contentious polemical political debates. Every other thread in the SSS forum has the words "Bush," "UN," or "Iraq" in it. I try to avoid them, but every now and then, against my better judgment, I get involved. This irritates me because I already have these sort of discussions at other websites. There are places dedicated to that sort of discussion, just like this one is (supposedly) devoted to the discussion of music. Why not have these conversations somewhere else? There are countless Yahoo message boards, for example, that deal with war and politics and so forth. Must some of you continually poop in the bathtub with a divisive political topic? This place is designed to bring people together to share ideas, not get in name-calling debates. I'd bet that most members did not come here to have their political beliefs, much less their very humanity, challenged. I know I'm probably arguing with the wall, but I respectfully request that we keep things friendly by leaving politics out of the mix. For God's sake, people can get excited enough debating Beatles vs. Stones or Fender vs. Gibson. You want to pour gas on the fire by adding war and death and religion and politics to the mix? "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick K. Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Jode, Couldn't agree with you more. I used to seek this place out to refuge and hang out with folk with similar interests. Now I leave here upset most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovepusher Sly Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Ignore them. Sly :cool: Whasineva ehaiz, ehissgot ta be Funky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Don't you think what is happening is important? Can't musicians and AEs talk about polictics in a forum which is called 'open mic' run by a moderator who wants this place to be a big party? Wouldn't the guitar forum be the best place to talk about, um ... guitars? Why do you read threads you know will piss you off? "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Yup. The cure is simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wewus432 Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 If the people posting political topics would also post music topics it wouldn't be such a problem, ya know, but you've got people here who only post and reply to political topics. What's up with that? Yes, politics is important to everyone BUT so IS [b]MUSIC[/b] to most of the people who come here. The balance is off.....again. PLEASE, Somebody post something ON TOPIC and not some shit about Michael Jackson or who your favorite guitar player is. lliB_retsoF is a troll. Does anybody not know that? [b]Yes, I think this is partly my fault because of the Off-Topic atmosphere I helped create, BUT, we have to get back ON-TOPIC or there won't be anyone left here but a bunch of trolls, posers, and spammers![/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberWewus Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 who said that? What's the difference between a duck? I don't know, you tell me, wise ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberWewus Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 You talking to me? What's the difference between a duck? I don't know, you tell me, wise ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberWewus Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 who are you? What's the difference between a duck? I don't know, you tell me, wise ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberWewus Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 I'm you dood. Why do you ask? What's the difference between a duck? I don't know, you tell me, wise ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravibe Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 I have to agree... I'd have no problem ignoring the political posts if there were but a few, but the political posts outweigh the music posts by a huge factor sometimes! Right now they are about even, but even that is a problem. I can see if there was an even balance between music topics and 'other' topics, but when the other topics are almost ALL political, it gets a little tiresome. Andrew Mazzocchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 I can't help but agree, but... Get in your time machine and set the way-back dial to 1967. There were no internet forums (not internet at all) to draw a direct analogy, but I'd assume that if you walked into a coffee shop, an art gallery, or any other place where people gathered, there would be some spirited discussions of what our involvement in Vietnam should be. I think topics like war pervade just about everything else. The pity is that there are those who come here as a respite from those discussions everywhere else. I have no opinion here. I just don't participate in threads with which I don't want to have active involvement. It seems pretty simple. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 I think Jeff is totally right. Art is directly linked to what's going on in society- no one creates in a total bubble. It's easy to get annoyed about the ignorance that pervades these threads...but just come up with a cool, more music oriented topic to counter. :wave: Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotown Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 [quote]I have no opinion here. I just don't participate in threads with which I don't want to have active involvement. It seems pretty simple. [/quote]Amen to that. Unfortunatley, whenever I post a serious music related topic, 9 out of 10 times it sinks to page 2 in a day. Thats why I usually post those at Georges or Rogers board. I think a blend is good. Like Jeff said; if you don't like don't look. And on a proactive note try posting only on the music threads for a couple of days, and the political stuff will magically disappear to page 2 also. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLo Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jode: [b]Every day I come here and there's some new political/current events thread. I can't speak for everyone, but I get tired of coming to a MUSIC website looking for MUSIC discussions about MUSIC, and I find contentious polemical political debates. Every other thread in the SSS forum has the words "Bush," "UN," or "Iraq" in it. I try to avoid them, but every now and then, against my better judgment, I get involved. This irritates me because I already have these sort of discussions at other websites. There are places dedicated to that sort of discussion, just like this one is (supposedly) devoted to the discussion of music. Why not have these conversations somewhere else? There are countless Yahoo message boards, for example, that deal with war and politics and so forth. Must some of you continually poop in the bathtub with a divisive political topic? This place is designed to bring people together to share ideas, not get in name-calling debates. I'd bet that most members did not come here to have their political beliefs, much less their very humanity, challenged. I know I'm probably arguing with the wall, but I respectfully request that we keep things friendly by leaving politics out of the mix. For God's sake, people can get excited enough debating Beatles vs. Stones or Fender vs. Gibson. You want to pour gas on the fire by adding war and death and religion and politics to the mix?[/b][/quote]I started a Peavey thread, What's up with that??? :p :D Jesus Is Coming, Make Music, Get Ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by TheWewus: [b]Yes, I think this is partly my fault because of the Off-Topic atmosphere I helped create, [/b][/quote][b][i]"Nooooo!!!! It wasn't supposed to be like this! It was supposed to be a thing of beauty ... not THIS abomination!"[/i][/b] ;) ;) :p ;) ;) I think much of it is due to the current climate we are in. Obviously, some people feel the need to express their feelings about it. [b]Also obvious, is the fact that people don't know WHEN TO QUIT...[/b] I think it's wrong that people get so personal and mean-spirited when they discuss these things -though, I DO understand why they do it. However, I DO think it's okay if we all verbally abuse and publicly ostracize any jerk-ass who starts one of those damn threads in the first place. In fact, I think it should be encouraged... :thu: I honestly don't mind the threads existing. They do let people blow a little steam about politics. Beyond that, however, the ONLY ([b]Are you READING THIS ROG?????[/b]); I said ONLY purpose they serve is to incite people. Show me one instance -from the miles and miles of posts in those threads- where someone came out with a different opinion than they came in with... It's like a very long book where each chapter is the same as the chapter before it -only worded differently. If we could limit the threads to say 1 or 2 continuous threads -like 'Is your music any good'- it would be MUCH better, because it would at least be contained. But I don't see that happening, just like I don't see 'sticky threads' happening or a list of 'guidelines of appropriate behavior so newbies don't get flamed' or a 'Member rating system' to replace 'Post counts' happening. So basically, get used to it cause it AINT GONNA CHANGE any time soon... Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wewus432 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 posted by Super 8: [quote]"Nooooo!!!! It wasn't supposed to be like this! It was supposed to be a thing of beauty ... not THIS abomination!" [/quote]Really, the evil side of Off-Topic rears it's ugly head. I wonder what kind of keyboard Colin Powell plays? [i]I guess I'll live to post another day.[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by TheWewus: [b] I wonder what kind of keyboard Colin Powell plays? [/b][/quote][img]http://www.knightsoffire.com/Members%20mart%20photos/linda-organ-1.jpg[/img] Until you've heard him play Autumn Leaves, Wewus you haven't lived... :thu: Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted February 11, 2003 Author Share Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b]I can't help but agree, but... Get in your time machine and set the way-back dial to 1967. There were no internet forums (not internet at all) to draw a direct analogy, but I'd assume that if you walked into a coffee shop, an art gallery, or any other place where people gathered, there would be some spirited discussions of what our involvement in Vietnam should be.[/b][/quote]Okay, so what if you walked in on such a discussion at rehearsal? Or in theory class? Wouldn't the time come to give it a rest and get some work done? Mind you, this isn't a professional or educational situation, but I wonder if the same thing goes on at gardening websites. And I mostly ignore these threads, but when I log on and five of the top ten threads are about politics, I have to ask myself why. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jode: [b]but I wonder if the same thing goes on at gardening websites.[/b][/quote]No... They mostly talk about music and micing techniques... Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anifa Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 I have to agree with the excess of political threads that are flooding the forums. WAR talks are damn depressing and I have always turned to music as an escape from worldly troubles. If I want minute to minute updates, I would have CNN running in the background; I don't even turn my television on because of all the garbage. Yes I have contributed to political threads on occasion, but also I am aware of the fact that expressing my opinion about politics is a waste of valuable time on these boards. People have already formed their opinions and are headstrong in their ways. It's the lure of a challenge that baits us into these OT threads, and then the relevant threads get buried quickly. I think that some of these folks wanted to be news commentators in a former life. SORRY FOLKS... It's ALREADY BEEN SAID..... so let's debate every word of every political speech given. This is a MUSIC refuge where many of us used to come and learn or to share our knowledge of the music business. Anymore, it's a political party showdown and it's repetitious rambling that will make you dizzy after a while; it just goes around in circles. I've actually been checking out some of the other forums on MPN, and have made a few posts on some of those that seem to be lifeless. It amazes me that on some of the other forums within MPN, there are topics still sitting in front page spots that were actually posted months ago. On Craig's forum, if you didn't see it yesterday, chances are today it's already buried. There are too many Star wannabees that think they need to open a new topic for every thought!!! They crave being in the spotlight. I have significantly reduced the posts that I contribute, and hopefully will find other like minded PROFESSIONALS seeking to share advice on MUSIC BUSINESS topics in the Studio Business forum, or one of the others. The SSS forum has gone steadily downhill; and continues to sink even further. You can take the man away from his music, but you can't take the music out of the man. Books by Craig Anderton through Amazon Sweetwater: Bruce Swedien\'s "Make Mine Music" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 jeez, Super 8, Your image of Colin Powell's purported keyboard was too funny!! :D Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-a-a-a (gasp) (snort) (choke) (blink) Yessiree Bob, that there's the heppest goldurn dancin' machine I ever seen! And them there orny-ments....Eee-HAH! :thu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jode: [b]Okay, so what if you walked in on such a discussion at rehearsal? Or in theory class?[/b][/quote]I [i]have[/i] already walked into this discussion at a rehearsal, and I'd be shocked if it wasn't also happening in theory classes. [QUOTE[b]Wouldn't the time come to give it a rest and get some work done? Mind you, this isn't a professional or educational situation, but I wonder if the same thing goes on at gardening websites.[/b][/QUOTE] Sure, and there are still plenty of music/audio threads scattered in with the war and politcal stuff (which, by the way, I personally choose not to participate in). And I participate in other forums/newsgroups, and yes, there are these discussions there as well. [quote][b]And I mostly ignore these threads, but when I log on and five of the top ten threads are about politics, I have to ask myself why.[/b][/quote]Why? Cause people are concerned about war itself, about the implications on their own lives and those of their loved ones. Cause people are social animals and prefer to discuss matters that are of concern to them rather than keep those matters to themselves. And, since they have come to know and trust the other members of SSS, they prefer to do it here rather than finding dedicated forums about that topic. Again...would I personally prefer to not have SSS clogged with political and war threads? Sure. Will I begrudge anyone for strating and/or participating in those threads? Not at all. Don't like it...don't read it! It'ss like a TV...you can always change the channel. :) - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLo Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: Don't like it...don't read it! It'ss like a TV...you can always change the channel. :) - Jeff[/QB][/quote]Say no more. I agree! :thu: Jesus Is Coming, Make Music, Get Ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtrance Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 If it becomes too much of an issue, musicplayer could always open a "Forum Cafe" section, separate from this "General Music" (no, not the company) forum. :) rt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 I still wonder - what part of "Open Mic" do y'all not understand?? This topic has also been beaten to death, when the position has been made clear. So if you want to talk about music, post a friggin' music thread already! If you want to post silly pictures, then here is more appropriate than, say, the Guitar Forum (unless maybe it's a silly guitar) - which has a specific focus. You can go into a bar and order a Coke. You can choose to not go into the bar at all. But going into a bar & whining about the fact that they serve beer is just dumb. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylver Posted February 11, 2003 Share Posted February 11, 2003 What I find even more annoying than political and off topic threads are the threads about why we shouldn't have so many off topic and political threads and what we can do to combat them. I'd rather discuss politics than see my screen cluttered with "Waaaaaaaaaaaaa, this forum isn't exactly what I think it should be and you should all help me bully people into conformity because I don't have the willpower to ignore threads I'm not interested in." The political stuff on the SSS really kicked in AFTER September 11, 2001. It was rare before then. If you want to blame someone, blame Osama. He screwed our forum too. He must pay! I really don't know what to put here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sign Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 What's wrong with musicians, engineers, producers etc. discussing really important subjects other than music? You know what's really boring? People who can talk about nothing but music, or nothing but football, or even nothing but sex :D This is a unique place where intelligent musicians discuss many subjects and that's what makes this forum the special place it is. Or would you rather discuss about the best mic under $100? :p The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLo Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by sign: [b]What's wrong with musicians, engineers, producers etc. discussing really important subjects other than music? You know what's really boring? People who can talk about nothing but music, or nothing but football, or even nothing but sex :D This is a unique place where intelligent musicians discuss many subjects and that's what makes this forum the special place it is. Or would you rather discuss about the best mic under $100? :p [/b][/quote]:thu: Jesus Is Coming, Make Music, Get Ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip_dup1 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 It`s different than going to a political or other forum because all of the other topics here are in the context of how it affects peoples` MUSICAL life. People here talked about what effect 9/11 had on their relationship to their MUSIC-not their flower shop, not their consulting firm, not their travel agency. However OT things get here, it`s music people doing the talking-I don`t write songs about writing songs, do you? I write about life. If I have a specific question, it almost always gets an answer-what else is there? there`s a well-established tradition of people who have a common interest getting together someplace and talking about life-it used to be called a `salon`-there`s even an news/info site with that name. What purpose, exactly, is served by appointing yourself a bouncer and yapping `you gonna buy something? this ain`t a library` at people who aren`t at the cash register? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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