Jotown Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 If you don't yet realize that some of our liberties have already been lost, check this out. This is some unconscionable behavior. http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/lewis.html [quote]1791 Dec. 23. "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." Thomas Jefferson[/quote] [quote]"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...." Benjamin Franklin [/quote] Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Chip McDonald Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 Again - it's quite creepy how reality is turning out to be relative to many conspiracy theorist's blatherings just 10 years ago. This scenario was cited soooo many time by militia types - it's quite interesting to remember how the government had something of a jihad against them back in the day and now they're "gone"... "This provision would expand FISA's definition of "Foreign Power" to include [i]all persons[/i], regardless of whether they are affiliated with an international terrorist group, who engage in international terrorism" That's pretty broad; that lets them do *anything* to *anyone* under the premise they're suspected of "international terrorism". Wow, I can't read the rest of it, it's making me sick. Used to talk about scenarios where this would be the end result, and it's really happening. I see the Council on Foreign Relations now has a byline on CNN's web page now.. all sorts of weird things going on suddenly and quick. I don't want to think about it. Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
Jotown Posted February 10, 2003 Author Posted February 10, 2003 [quote]Again - it's quite creepy how reality is turning out to be relative to many conspiracy theorist's blatherings just 10 years ago. [/quote]Yeah, it feels like a bad Twilight Zone episode. I don't understand why nobody I know is talking about this? Very Orwellian. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
aeon Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 I am only a few pages in, and I have come to realize that America is dead, but long live Amerikka. The terrorists have won. All that our forefathers and fellow citizens have fought and died for is being pissed away. All their bloodshed, and the tears of those who loved them, was in vain. To the person who leaked this document, I salute you, wherever you are. To me, you are a true patriot and hero. May what you have chosen to do not be in vain. :cry: Go tell someone you love that you love them.
Mark Borland Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 Talking of scary documents, has anyone seen the document Tony Blair is showing off as proof to go to war? It turns out his "Evidence" was actually taken from a university students thesis done 12 years ago and from some magazine articles written about the same time. The document is such a plagurisation that both sets of documentation even have the same spelling and punctuation mistakes. We're all going to hell in a handbashet people and it looks like the date of 2012 predicted for the end of the world might not be so far fetched. I think I'll just stay in me bed that day! Growing old is inevitable....Growing up is optional !
Franknputer Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 This thing is f*cking sick. Legalized McCarthyism, in the name of anti-terrorism. The beginnings of an Orwellian nighmare, 20 years late. :mad: When they come for you, will there be anyone left to stand up for you?
Gtoledo3 Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 We really made a big mistake letting just a few people decide who our president is.... we know where their bread was buttered. It set a terrible precedent. I can't believe that people are so trustful about this "electronic vote" either :mad: Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project"
Jotown Posted February 10, 2003 Author Posted February 10, 2003 So the question is: What can we do about this? Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Gtoledo3 Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b]So the question is: What can we do about this?[/b][/quote]Not alot without getting secretly thrown in federal penitentiary! Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project"
Gtoledo3 Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 It's important for people to realize that regardless of whether or not there was a "master plan" a coup took place during the last elections. There doesn't really have to be a conspiracy theory or any smoking gun. The facts are the facts, and we let the election be decided by cronies of George W. Bush. Was it any mystery what they were going to decide? They were drafting up their opinions before any argument were ever heard, those f*cking traitors. I'm still in disbelief over the total lack of respect they showed for our nation. Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project"
SFOracle Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 [quote] Section 102 FISA currently defines "agent of a foreign power" to include a person who knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities on behalf of a foreign power, but only if those activities "involve or may involve a violation of Federal Criminal law". ... This provision [...] would expand the definition of an "agent of a foreign power". Any person who engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for a foreign power would qualify as an agent of a foreign power - regardless of whether those activities are federal crimes. [/quote]I guess foreign news correspondents who engage in "intelligence" gathering would be labeled as spys under the new and improved USA Patriot act. This would put us in the same position as many of our adversaries who routinely label US Journalists as spies. Of course - once you are labeled as a spy under the Patriot act, most or all of your civil rights vanish. Our country is not the only thing to which we owe our allegiance. It is also owed to justice and to humanity. Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong: James Bryce
tnb Posted February 10, 2003 Posted February 10, 2003 What I am finding odd is that this thread is 12 entries deep and still no right winger rushing to the defense of the bush administration.
CarmenC Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by tnb: [b]What I am finding odd is that this thread is 12 entries deep and still no right winger rushing to the defense of the bush administration.[/b][/quote]Man, are you on the wrong board if you're lookin for right wingers...LOL Anyway, here's the State Dept.'s response to PBS and the sillyness on this thread.... http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/03-082-opa.pdf Peace. Carmen :wave: An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill
Jotown Posted February 11, 2003 Author Posted February 11, 2003 You go ahead and save that link CarmenC. In a couple of months, when during the war the prez' pushes this through, I will pull this back up to remind you. I fogot, you are one of the people who thinks the so called "Patriot Act" is a good thing. "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson ----------------------------------------- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety...." - Benjamin Franklin Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Chip McDonald Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 All hail the Homeland! Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
audiofreek Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 It's called "The New World Order"my friends.
alphajerk Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by audiofreek: [b]It's called "The New World Order"my friends.[/b][/quote]it most certainly is. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I've said this before, but I'll say it again..."OH CANADA!!!" I mean, come on. This is complete bullsh*t. We don't need Big Brother breathin' down our backs. An increased police force? Most of the cops I've talked to don't like Bush either. I even go as far as to make fun of him being a YALE GRADUATE, and not being able to pronounce NUCLEAR CORRECTLY!!! Stupid f*cker. You know what, I hope Big Brother is watching me, because I'm going to sh*t down his throat. And I ain't lying. I think I'm ready to fight, actually...to fight Bush and his preposterous little game he's playing. And if you lose all respect for me and my people, I don't care. I've never been one to care for other peoples' thoughts about me. I want peace, not only internationally (which can be achieved if you play your cards right), but also domestically. Let's get rid of all the no good crackwhores and gangbangers that don't deserve a life, and get more educated people on the work force. In a few years, you won't need people to flip burgers...we'll have robots. Ooops, there's millions of jobs lost...get a frickin' education, and you won't have to be making $4/hr flipping greaseballs. My God people, has is really come to this that the American public opinion is one of fear? Fear for what, we might realise what's been known for the entire length of history? The destruction of manking as we know it. Lemme tell you something...every civilisation has a downfall...sometimes after thousands of years, sometimes after only a couple of hundred. Now might be the time for ours. Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing...it'll all come around.
dirtydog Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]I've said this before, but I'll say it again..."OH CANADA!!!"[/b][/quote]
NOT Bolt Rifles Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]I've said this before, but I'll say it again..."OH CANADA!!!" I mean, come on. This is complete bullsh*t. We don't need Big Brother breathin' down our backs. An increased police force? Most of the cops I've talked to don't like Bush either. I even go as far as to make fun of him being a YALE GRADUATE, and not being able to pronounce NUCLEAR CORRECTLY!!! Stupid f*cker. You know what, I hope Big Brother is watching me, because I'm going to sh*t down his throat. And I ain't lying. I think I'm ready to fight, actually...to fight Bush and his preposterous little game he's playing. And if you lose all respect for me and my people, I don't care. I've never been one to care for other peoples' thoughts about me. I want peace, not only internationally (which can be achieved if you play your cards right), but also domestically. Let's get rid of all the no good crackwhores and gangbangers that don't deserve a life, and get more educated people on the work force. In a few years, you won't need people to flip burgers...we'll have robots. Ooops, there's millions of jobs lost...get a frickin' education, and you won't have to be making $4/hr flipping greaseballs. My God people, has is really come to this that the American public opinion is one of fear? Fear for what, we might realise what's been known for the entire length of history? The destruction of manking as we know it. Lemme tell you something...every civilisation has a downfall...sometimes after thousands of years, sometimes after only a couple of hundred. Now might be the time for ours. Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing...it'll all come around.[/b][/quote]Wow. "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams "I am a senior member, and thereby entilted to all the privileges and rights accorded said status" -- NBR
Deathtoallwhoopposeme Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 Now maybe everyone is starting to understand what i've been screaming about on these boards since George Bush came into power....I forwaw ALL OF THIS happening....It was so obvious what these people's agenda's were to me and some others...Maybe all the malitia's around that are distrustfull of the government don't look or sound so crazy now do they?....WOW!!! Anyway, I can't see this passing...If it does just pray we have the opportunity to have another election in 2004 and whatever you do, if you are for freedom put aside your partisan differences and band together to VOTE THESE MANIACS OUT OF OFFICE!!!!!!! For all you Republicans, the Bush administration are not republican..They are scary Globalist meglamaniacs.....Lets get some sensible people in power who may be able to get us back on track......But it may already be too late... :( Sean Michael Mormelo www.seanmmormelo.com
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 lliB_retsoF, is that too heavy for you or something? Or just too maniacally twisted? Please be twisted..please, please, please.
the stranger Posted February 11, 2003 Posted February 11, 2003 I would say the best thing we who care can do is to distribute as many copies of this shit as we can. Use the corporate copiers at work and start propoganda bombing. Patrick, I feel and have felt the same way you do for a long time. I always wonder if force is the only way to take the government back. But remember, if this is the route we (the subversives) take, then we will be guilty of the very thing we dispise. This goes out to anybody reading this. The REAL war is the war of propoganda. The only way to succeed is to battle the disinformation campaign at every chance. The truth speaks for itself. The entire media is being controlled by what might as well be one company. The telecommunications act of 96 plays more of a role in this whole thing than people know. The flow of information is being completely controlled. And people are most generally passive in how they get their information. It these people that need to be addressed. So don't buy a gun. Go buy an FM transmitter. Sign a form saying your buying it for export. And then fire up your own pirate radio! I wanna know why in the hell low power FM isn't a right? Somebody needs to take this to the supreme court. How can the government say I don't have the right to broadcast? The first amendment is very clear. If I can't broadcast, this abridges my right to free speech. The forefathers never said anything about free speech for those who can afford it. Disclaimer: Pirate radio is illegal. :)
Nawledge Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 I don't know where you are getting your burgers from pat, but I don't see any crackwhores or gangbangers working at macdonalds or BK, just plain o minorities.
Lee Flier Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by sventvkg: [b]For all you Republicans, the Bush administration are not republican..They are scary Globalist meglamaniacs.....[/b][/quote]Thank you, you nailed it on the head.
patrick_dont_fret Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Nawledge: [b]I don't know where you are getting your burgers from pat, but I don't see any crackwhores or gangbangers working at macdonalds or BK, just plain o minorities.[/b][/quote]Most of them here in Memphrica (Memphis) are. They are definitely too stupid to work in grocery stores, so they work in fast food...you ever notice how they can never get anything right, no matter how explicitly you tell them? That's what crack does to you. The stranger, I think I'm going to print off a copy of this and staple it on bulletin boards at school. Should get someone's attention. I might also put a few laying around at work, where people can haphazardly pick one up. Great idea! :thu:
NOT Bolt Rifles Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]lliB_retsoF, is that too heavy for you or something? Or just too maniacally twisted? Please be twisted..please, please, please.[/b][/quote]Twisted, definetly Twisted. No need to beg. "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams "I am a senior member, and thereby entilted to all the privileges and rights accorded said status" -- NBR
Deathtoallwhoopposeme Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Lee Flier: [b] [quote]Originally posted by sventvkg: [b]For all you Republicans, the Bush administration are not republican..They are scary Globalist meglamaniacs.....[/b][/quote]Thank you, you nailed it on the head.[/b][/quote]thanks Lee...it's scary how many people just do not get it and believe the propaganda machine of the Bush Administration....I urge everyone to read foreign news online instead of relying on American sources....We are at an all time low in the world as far as popular opinion and it will only get MUCH worse with a War on Iraq... Sean Michael Mormelo www.seanmmormelo.com
Jotown Posted February 12, 2003 Author Posted February 12, 2003 Nawledge wrote: [quote]I don't know where you are getting your burgers from pat, but I don't see any crackwhores or gangbangers working at macdonalds or BK, just plain o minorities. [/quote][b]WARNING WARNING>.....Earth to patrick_dont_fret.[/b] Before you post your rant at school you should probably edit it. I think I hear what you are trying to say, but you are walking a fine line here. Your statments could certainly be costrued as racist. Most crackwhores and gangbangers I know make a lot more money crackwhoring and gangbangimg to ever work at McDonalds. Most folks who work at fast food restaraunts are minorities who can't find any other employment. To make such a huge generalization as to lump hard working folks, who are making the minumum wage, in with crackwhores and gangbangers, is painitng with a pretty broad brush; don't you think? [quote]Originally posted by Lee Flier: [b] [quote]Originally posted by sventvkg: [b]For all you Republicans, the Bush administration are not republican..They are scary Globalist meglamaniacs.....[/b][/quote]Thank you, you nailed it on the head.[/b][/quote]That is the absolute truth in my opinion. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
sign Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by sventvkg: [b]......But it may already be too late... :( [/b][/quote]I bet you are right! :mad: The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future.
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