Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I just wrote a new tune. It's completely centered around an Asus4 drone, but the chord progressions never resolve. No big V-I in any section of the tune. Even the "I" is pretty murky...you're never really sure if it's major or minor, since there's no 3 ever indicated in the A chord and the melody is ambiguous. I like it. I'm sick of having all my years of training in composition dictate what I'm "supposed" to do in songwriting (though I'm certainly glad I understand those principles). The great part is the end of the tune, which just kind of fades out on a D (IV). No resolution at all. :) - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 you wrote a tune about your asus mother board? you weirdo. well, fire up that mac ip address and lets hear all about the MOBO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick K. Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I'll bite. Let us hear it, Jeff! Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 5, 2003 Author Share Posted February 5, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Rick Kreuzer: [b]I'll bite. Let us hear it, Jeff![/b][/quote]Jeeez...I said I [i]wrote[/i] a tune. That doesn't mean I recorded it, mastered it, created an MP3 and am ready to throw it at the unsuspecting ears of the world! :) If you want to hear my tune immediately, come over to my house. I'll pick up an acoustic guitar and sing it at you. Apart from that, there's no other place this song exists but in my little brain. Of course, thanks for your interest. When I get around to recording it, I'll put it somewhere you can hear it. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfur Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Jeff - Go to your Dead tape collection and check out a verson of "Wharf Rat" for that extended unresolved Asus7 tonality. I hope your tune turns out great - Woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 5, 2003 Author Share Posted February 5, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Dogfur: [b]Go to your Dead tape collection and check out a verson of "Wharf Rat" for that extended unresolved Asus7 tonality.[/b][/quote]God, I just got frightened for a moment that I had inadvertently i[]rewritten[/i] "Wharf Rat", but then I just hummed it and found that my tune (with similar tonal centers) is indeed original. [QUUOTE][b]I hope your tune turns out great[/b][/QUOTE] Thanks Dogfur. I write less and less these days, so any tune delivered by my muse is accepted with great thanks. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b] If you want to hear my tune immediately, come over to my house. I'll pick up an acoustic guitar and sing it at you. Apart from that, there's no other place this song exists but in my little brain. - Jeff[/b][/quote]I'll be right over. :D Well, someday... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 6, 2003 Author Share Posted February 6, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Tedster: [b]I'll be right over. :D Well, someday...[/b][/quote]It's a long haul from KC to LA, Ted, but any time you're in town, drop on by. We'll fire up the computer, work on some tunes and make confusing posts to the forums from both of us. :) - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrix Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 IM sure SUNRa would be proud of you. However,you cant violate these laws of composition. You are just deluding yourself. This is like inventing a perpetual motion machine. Resolution will come in your NEXT TUNE.- Or else it will be created out of necessity in the minds of the listeners. :D Check out some tunes here: http://www.garageband.com/artist/KenFava Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 6, 2003 Author Share Posted February 6, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Kendrix: [b]Resolution will come in your NEXT TUNE.- Or else it will be created out of necessity in the minds of the listeners. :D [/b][/quote]Ha! I love this answer. You may be joking, but seriously...I think people do mentally resolve these type of tunes. In terms of resolution in my next tune...yeah, absolutely. I have no intention of being a one-trick pony. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Berolzheimer Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Just don't tell Nika, He'll deride you for improperly using the term "resolution". Paul Berolzheimer Progenitor of 2 amazing sound sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 maybe he will give us a sixteen page explanation of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b] It's completely centered around an Asus4 drone[/b][/quote]Whats next,a song about the NForce 2 chipset and DDR400? :D "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 7, 2003 Author Share Posted February 7, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Paul Berolzheimer: [b]Just don't tell Nika, He'll deride you for improperly using the term "resolution".[/b][/quote]Nika's a smart cookie. He knows that "resolution" is the act of resolving, which is true whether it applies to bit depth or the completion of a purposefully-placed musical tension. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 I love doing stuff like that with structure. The ear expects sections of music to be 4, 8, or 16 bars long so I write three bar sections and loop them, or 5 or whatever. Sometimes, even if the chords do resolve in the end, it still sounds odd :) "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sign Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Jeff, you're welcome to record it at my place, on 2". When do you come?? :idea: :) Peace, Han The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 7, 2003 Author Share Posted February 7, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by sign: [b]Jeff, you're welcome to record it at my place, on 2". When do you come?? :idea: :) Peace, Han[/b][/quote]Han, recording this tune in the Netherlands sounds like an incredibly cool idea. I find it more likely that I'll record it in a place somewhat closer to where I wrote it...namely, my home or my pal's studio about 15 miunutes away...but trust me that I'd prefer to do it over there if I had a choice! :) - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 I was teaching someone how to play "Jane Says" by Jane's Addiction the other day. G to A again and again, w/ a little G to G(b5) in the B section... But you know... I think the songs in D, how bout you guys? Never resolves. You could possible view it as A, but I think that the song is in D major. Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 "...and make confusing posts to the forums from both of us." And this differs from the norm how?... I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 7, 2003 Author Share Posted February 7, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by GT3: [b]I think the songs in D, how bout you guys? Never resolves. You could possible view it as A, but I think that the song is in D major.[/b][/quote]Heh. The D that never comes. :) I know what you mean, but the "A" feel of that tune is a little too strong for me to think it's in anything but A. One of the hints of D is the use of the b5 in the G chord in the chorus (corresponding to the major seventh note of the D scale), but the feel is so strongly A overall. Just my opinion, of course. Perry Farrel has his own thoughts, I'm sure. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b] [quote]Originally posted by GT3: [b]I think the songs in D, how bout you guys? Never resolves. You could possible view it as A, but I think that the song is in D major.[/b][/quote]Heh. The D that never comes. :) I know what you mean, but the "A" feel of that tune is a little too strong for me to think it's in anything but A. One of the hints of D is the use of the b5 in the G chord in the chorus (corresponding to the major seventh note of the D scale), but the feel is so strongly A overall. Just my opinion, of course. Perry Farrel has his own thoughts, I'm sure. - Jeff[/b][/quote]The reason I don't think it's A is b/c of the fact that an Ab would sound really sour in the context of the tune, while you could solo in D major w/out any clash. Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakka Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 Whoa, I thought this thread was about New Year's Resolutions, so I never checked it. :o Theory discussions are cool, because no one is 100% right. Even if it's Bach or Motzart (Music Theory 101 & 201), I still think anyone's interpretation can be valid. I hear [i]Jane Says[/i] as D major. Try singing or playing the melody alone without the chords. But I bet if you asked Perry what key it was in, he would just laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 7, 2003 Author Share Posted February 7, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Brakka.: [b]But I bet if you asked Perry what key it was in, he would just laugh.[/b][/quote]True dat! :) - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted February 7, 2003 Share Posted February 7, 2003 dat is dead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sign Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [/quote]Han, recording this tune in the Netherlands sounds like an incredibly cool idea. I find it more likely that I'll record it in a place somewhat closer to where I wrote it...namely, my home or my pal's studio about 15 miunutes away...but trust me that I'd prefer to do it over there if I had a choice! :) - Jeff You have a choice Jeff, I can pick you up with my private jet.....NOT :( It might have been a party anyway, maybe later! Peace, Han The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted February 8, 2003 Author Share Posted February 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Coaster: [b]dat is dead![/b][/quote]True dat! - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 I'm quite fond of composing without resolution. In fact, I often https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by dBunny: [b]I'm quite fond of composing without resolution. In fact, I often[/b][/quote]I can't stand it dBunny...resolve your sentence! Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Hell, no! ;) https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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