The next trend in commercial music?

[EXAGON]

every 10 years the music changes in style, but since 2000 we didn't yet hear something new. Any suggestion?

[phaeton]

i noticed also that this took place, even though i've had a blind eye on the radio for quite some time. But nothing glaring really jumps out as `different'. THere's been some incremental things, like grunge->grindcore but i think the biggest significant thing (that the 10minutes of MTV i can stand will tell me) that all the different styles of music (new and old, popular and forgotten) are coming out of the woodwork and mixing together. It's not all a bad thing, i guess.

[EXAGON]

it's like a ... garbage, no thng in the world is pleasant when it's made by too many flavours toghether.

[Skip_dup1]

A lot of what`s been driving musical trends lately is technological evolution. When some truly new gadgets appear they make new musical frontiers possible. That being said, I`m still trying to figure out what the hell emo-core is.

[phaeton]

emo-core? Is that somehow different from grind-core? and nu-metal? and really, wtf is `trance'?

[whitefang]

You answered your own question, Tron. If, as you say, music changes every 10 years(I've always contended that idea, but gave it every seven), and we haven't heard anything new since 2000, well, YOU do the math! Whitefang

[rdpete]

Emo... sounds like a muppet.

[Graham English]

I believe the next trend will be "reality music." :rolleyes: By the way Tron, nice OB-8. Wish I could get mine working again.

[Skip_dup1]

[quote]Originally posted by Graham English: [b]I believe the next trend will be "reality music." :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Yeah...five musicians get left on an island, they have to make a record without killing each other...

[Skip_dup1]

[quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b]emo-core? Is that somehow different from grind-core? and nu-metal? and really, wtf is `trance'?[/b][/quote]as far as I can tell, trance is dance music that it`s physically impossible to dance to.

[Jotown]

Two things: "The only thing new is the history you don't know yet."Mark Twain "By the time you can recognize a new trend in music, it has most likely already passed you by." Jotown

[phaeton]

I see... I always envisioned `trance' music at some club somewhere, just a kb mono-chordic drone, with some ethereal patch getting struck over and over, meanwhile, everyone was zombied out, swaying in slow motion and drooling on themselves as if they'd been injected with copious amounts of thorizine.

[Skip_dup1]

[quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b]I see... I always envisioned `trance' music at some club somewhere, just a kb mono-chordic drone, with some ethereal patch getting struck over and over, meanwhile, everyone was zombied out, swaying in slow motion and drooling on themselves as if they'd been injected with copious amounts of thorizine.[/b][/quote]Sounds like you`ve been over to my place on saturdays...

[Rog]

[quote]Originally posted by skip: [b] [quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b]emo-core? Is that somehow different from grind-core? and nu-metal? and really, wtf is `trance'?[/b][/quote]as far as I can tell, trance is dance music that it`s physically impossible to dance to.[/b][/quote]Trance is dance music with longer breaks and builds - designed to build up more and more through a set to one or more peaks, a bit like sex. If you're on a pill and dancing all night this music makes more sense than a bunch of disparate records, trance is about forming a cohesive set and it's a very tricky thing to do well and a very easy thing to do badly.

[realtrance]

Gustav Mahler is the originator of trance, along with Alexander Scriabin. rt

[Gus Lozada]

[quote]Originally posted by skip: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Graham English: [b]I believe the next trend will be "reality music." :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Yeah...five musicians get left on an island, they have to make a record without killing each other...[/b][/quote]Sounds like a GOOD idea... :D

[D_dup3]

Ahem. "There is a time for everything." "There is nothing new under the sun." I think any suggestion that art forms evolve at any even semi-regular schedule ("every ten years...") is based on reading pop music criticism rather than the actual facts. All things are in continual flux, not changing decade by decade.

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

"Emo-core" is short for emotional hardcore...a stupid fucking idea to begin with, but whatever. The style is evidenced in pop bands like Dashboard Confessional and Jimmy Eat World. Think wuss lyrics and heavy guitars. - Jeff

[Skip_dup1]

thanks, Jeff-that is so deep, man (sniffle)-I mean it. I hafta go find some tissues...

[whitefang]

[quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]Gustav Mahler is the originator of trance, along with Alexander Scriabin. rt[/b][/quote]Don't forget Maurice Ravel. That "Bolero" will put you in a trance! Whitefang

[Chip McDonald]

[quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b]"Emo-core" is short for emotional hardcore...a stupid fucking idea to begin with, but whatever. The style is evidenced in pop bands like Dashboard Confessional and Jimmy Eat World. [/b][/quote]Thing is, none of it sounds anything like hardcore at all... "Emo-core" is a marketing gimmick. I have a number of students who claim to be into "emo", and none of them listen to what the others claim is "emo", and most of them haven't even heard of the bands the others listen. I like Jimmy Eat World - but they're just a pop hard-rock band. In the 80's they would have toured with Loverboy, or maybe Killing Joke. What I want to know is what do you call this "new" pseudo-post greenday punk that has all of the Iron Maiden references in it?

[Skip_dup1]

I doubt this will help, but I`m looking at the calendar of bands coming to town- The Get Up Kids-billed as `emo-core leaders` Joshua-`new lights of the U.S. emo-core scene` that`s all I can find for now

[phaeton]

[b] Sounds like you`ve been over to my place on saturdays.. [/b] Heh.. never been to Japan.... but i'd like to go someday. :) [b] Trance is dance music with longer breaks and builds - designed to build up more and more through a set to one or more peaks, a bit like sex. If you're on a pill and dancing all night this music makes more sense than a bunch of disparate records, trance is about forming a cohesive set and it's a very tricky thing to do well and a very easy thing to do badly. [/b] Okey.... i can understand that, Rog... thanks :thu: Although, i still say "It ain't no sin to take of your skin, and dance around in your bones" [b] What I want to know is what do you call this "new" pseudo-post greenday punk that has all of the Iron Maiden references in it? [/b] An abomination. Strangely, even though a bit of *my* stuff is heavily influenced by Maiden, it just doesn't sound right when someone else does it either. I guess i have built myself a double standard. Shame on me. Papa Roach was bad-ass for about the first 3 times through the album, then it just kinda seemed like a whole bunch of updated, yet nostalgic guitar flash masking the emptiness. I'm terrible, i know.

[Skip_dup1]

I still have a hard time putting the idea of `trance` together with electronic sounds and laboratory substances. To me it should be more like, guys in body paint beating on drums and blowing pipes like crazy, with a big pot of Ayahuasca on the boil...

[aeon]

[quote][i]skip stated:[/i] [b]I still have a hard time putting the idea of `trance` together with electronic sounds and laboratory substances. To me it should be more like, guys in body paint beating on drums and blowing pipes like crazy, with a big pot of Ayahuasca on the boil...[/b][/quote]for the modern version: [list] [*]body paint = glow sticks [*]drums = TR-909 [*]pipes = dual sp1200s [*]ayahuasca = 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine [/list] and remember, skip...the ayahuasca alone is not enough...it just gives you your MAOIs so you can orally ingest and process the actual psychedelic agent containing DMT and 5-MeO-DMT (Anadenanthera peregrina, colubrina, excelsa, macrocarpa). since it isn’t convenient to grow Amazonian vines in Japan, you could grow some other MAOI-producing plant instead...syrian rue grass works wonders, grows fast and is cheap and legal.

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by Chip McDonald: [b]I like Jimmy Eat World - but they're just a pop hard-rock band. In the 80's they would have toured with Loverboy, or maybe Killing Joke.[/b][/quote]Totally agreed. It's all just pop, especially Jimmy Eat World. Guitar pop...definitely the millennial version of Loverboy. [quote][b]What I want to know is what do you call this "new" pseudo-post greenday punk that has all of the Iron Maiden references in it?[/b][/quote]I call it "Sum 41". Those kids are actually pretty cool, but talk about losing yourself in your influences! Why not just put on "Dookie" in one speaker and "Number of the Beast" in the other and be done with it! :) - Jeff

[KenElevenShadows]

[quote]Originally posted by skip: [b]I still have a hard time putting the idea of `trance` together with electronic sounds and laboratory substances. To me it should be more like, guys in body paint beating on drums and blowing pipes like crazy, with a big pot of Ayahuasca on the boil...[/b][/quote]That was the original trance music. And all-night playing in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco, and drum circles just about everywhere, and Balinese ritualistic music, and so on and so on...

[Mr Darling]

The industery is looking for strong female artist who write and sing their own stuff. Look out - here she comes :

[phaeton]

[b]That was the original trance music. And all-night playing in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco, and drum circles just about everywhere, and Balinese ritualistic music, and so on and so on...[/b] Isn't this the same (or related to) the Hare Krishna gig where they all drum/chant themselves into a different consciousness, not unlike: a) the effects of various psychoactive drugs or b) a phenomenon that many anxiety/panic attack/depression sufferers experience, often referred to as Derealisation and Depersonalisation by many psychology majors. ? I'm not bagging on the Hare Krishnas, i'm asking legitimately.

[Joachim P. Dyndale]

[quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b]I'm not bagging on the Hare Krishnas, i'm asking legitimately.[/b][/quote]Why not? ;) A bunch of people who basically accept anything as a part of their religion, and who are 100% unable to see logical flaws in at least 95% of what they claim... Come on! I'm a Christian, and I'm well aware of the fact that there are a number of illogical things in Christianity too. Um... And many Hare Krishna's claim that their religion is basically the same thing as Christianity! :eek: But hey, if they want to believe in that shit, it's their choice. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure most Hare Krishna's are wonderfull people. It's just their religion that I can not by any means respect. Sorry, can't help it. Anyway, this isn't a thread about religions so, again, sorry. The future of music? I sure hope we'll get to see those VOCALISTS again. You know, the ones that can actually sing?