Wewus432 Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 The summer before last, I was working as a First Aid volunteer at an outdoor concert just north of Charlotte. Late Saturday afternoon someone alerted us to a person right behind the medical building. This was a kid about 21 or so that appeared to be having some kind of convulsion. He would lay flat on the ground perfectly still and then suddenly jerk into a sitting position and make a hissing noise like a pot releasing steam, then he would writhe around on the ground for a while, and then just sit there with a wild look in his eyes until he reverted to the reclined position. It was freaking everybody out because the guy was oblivious to everything around him and would not respond to anyone or anything said to him. Weeeeeeeeell, it turns out this kid had injested a whole vial of liquid LSD which they estimated was 100 hits. I've never seen anything like that, the guy looked like he was possesed by demons. Anyway we finally had to call an ambulance which in retrospect was the wrong thing to do. You think we were freaked out, just think how all these people from the real world felt. They had to wrestle with this guy for 15 minutes to restrain him on a stretcher. I found out later that that kid DIED the next day, which is one of the few deaths from LSD I've ever heard of.
Rog Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 You can't die from LSD itself Wewus! There's the old story of a guy getting high and trying to fly by leaping off a tall building but even then, LSD didn't kill him, gravity did. LSD dosage doesn't follow the same rule as for other drugs, you take a certain amount and then the brain can't take in any more ... it's not like he was 100 times higher than if he'd taken 1/100th amount. Timothy Leary's group at Harvard took acid many thousands of times stronger than the stuff you get in the streets today. If he drunk a vial of pure L.S.D. we're not talking 100 times the dose anyway, we're talking potentially many, many thousands of times the dose. Poor kid :( "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards.
Franknputer Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 IIRC, a lot of so-called LSD is laced with strychnine - if that were the case here, that might be enough to do him in. :(
Wewus432 Posted January 22, 2003 Author Posted January 22, 2003 I've alway heard that too Rog, you couldn't die from the LSD itself, but maybe it was the chemical byproducts from all the stress on his mind and body or something, but supposedly he did die as a result of ingesting a huge quantity of LSD. Who knows what they did to him in the hospital though, the guy was in another world.
jeffbayson Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 Yikes. Scary story. Reminds me of something that happened to a friend of mine - a guitar player from a band I was in about eight years ago. It happened at a college party. Unbeknownst to my friend, the people throwing the party had made a pitcher of acid Kool-Aid and put it in the fridge. My friend, meanwhile, had smoked something that made him very, very thirsty. Well, you know what happened next. He went into the kitchen, looking for something to drink. He found the pitcher of Kool Aid. He drank the whole thing. He spent the next few days tripping his ass off in his parent's house. I met him after this had happened, so I can't say for sure whether it changed his personality, but he did always seem a little bit "out there," and I always wondered how much of that was caused by the acid.
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 That sucks. Poor kid. I've seen people lose their sanity (at least temporarily) on three hits of acid. I can't imagine what was going on in that guy's head with that much acid in his system. I'm not going to preach. I just have no plans of ever using street drugs again. Ever. I see too much bad to justify any of the possible good. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon
Rog Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b]That sucks. Poor kid. I've seen people lose their sanity (at least temporarily) on three hits of acid. I can't imagine what was going on in that guy's head with that much acid in his system. I'm not going to preach. I just have no plans of ever using street drugs again. Ever. I see too much bad to justify any of the possible good. - Jeff[/b][/quote]It all depends, Jeff. Leary used to preach "set & setting" - who you're with and where you are. There are too many dumb kids doing acid in the wrong place and with the wrong people and it's no surprise that they have a bad one and it scars them. Done right, it's a beautiful, spiritual and often hilarious experience :) "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards.
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b]Done right, it's a beautiful, spiritual and often hilarious experience :) [/b][/quote]Understood. Been there, done that. My problem is that the variables are too high. How much rat poison is on that little tab of paper you bought from the guy you've never seen before? Not worth the risk anymore, for me, anyway. YMMV. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon
Rog Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 I haven't indulged in years either, there's a time and a place (that's why they invented Universities and colleges ;) ) "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards.
Wewus432 Posted January 22, 2003 Author Posted January 22, 2003 That was a really strange weekend. Apparently there were some other people who did the same thing, injested a whole vial, and then went berserk. I heard about one big guy who looked like Big Foot and every time somebody tried to talk to him, he would freak out and run into the woods and hide. Security was chasing him off and on all night but never caught him. "Here big fella, here boy, we just want to make sure you're alright". I think they needed a tranquilizer gun to bring him down. There were some seriously out of control people there. I haven't been back since. There is a difference between trying to catch a buzz and trying to blast yourself into another dimension.
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 LSD is very dangerous stuff. Aside from the aforementioned deaths caused by thinking you're invinciable, there is the longterm side-effect: insanity. Just one sheet (approximately 10 hits) can cause you to go insane for longer periods of time. Extended usage over a period of time, say years, can cause insanity. I know a guy who took one hit at a party, and had a good time. One of the side effects, as well as the obvious heat of the party, caused him to sweat. He was given one sheet, and folded it up and stuck it in his shoe, under his foot. The aforementioned sweat caused him to soak up all the LSD in his shoe, and he freaked. He was tripping for days, maybe more than a week. He was sent to the hospital. My cousin committed suicide as a result of too much LSD. It caused him to go insane, after too much one night, and he drove a couple hundred miles out of town and put a hole in his face. He didn't know what he was doing. I know people that have done it on occasion, with both good and bad results...but for me, the bad outweigh the good, especially when death is involved.
Bunny Knutson Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b]It all depends... Leary used to preach "set & setting" - who you're with and where you are. There are too many dumb kids doing acid in the wrong place and with the wrong people and it's no surprise that they have a bad one and it scars them. Done right, it's a beautiful, spiritual and often hilarious experience :) [/b][/quote]Word. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/
Tedster Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 That's what kinda caused me to quit doing the stuff when I was in high school (back in the 70s). It wasn't enough to do one hit...people were doing multiple hits...and they weren't "finding God, or experiencing the ultimate truth of the universe or whatever" (like the hippies of the 60s)...they were just getting burned out. Tripping to me was like having everything on a TV set on a program you were watching, and you couldn't really control it, just experience it. And, like after a couple hours for me it was like "Okay, cool, this is enough", and then realizing you're going to be tripping for a long time yet. My experiences with mescaline were much funnier, a milder and shorter buzz. But, that was back in the day. I wouldn't really recommend it these days. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine"
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 Yeah Tedster, I wouldn't recommend mescaline these days either. It's quite hard to find peyote these days, unless you can wrestle it from a Native American. Most of what is called mescaline is actually refined somehow, much like LSD is refined...with certain chemicals I'd rather not have in my body. Psilocybn (magic mushrooms) is supposed to be pretty cool, but I think I'll stick with the one that never lets you down, the good ole delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Works (just about) every time.
Jode Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 For fun trips, go for acid or mushrooms, but leave peyote alone. It is a sacred plant, and it is highly disrespectful to just take it for kicks. Unless you are invited into a real live peyote ceremony in a real live tipi run by a real live Indian roadman, you're doing it wrong. I have seen what happens to people who disrespect the medicine, most of it you wouldn't believe if I told you. Let's just say, BAD things happen. Trust me, you don't want to piss off God. It only grows in certain parts of Mexico and Texas, it has a maturation period measured in DECADES, and the peyote gardens are getting seriously depleted. Besides, if all you want is pretty colors and a long evening, you have to eat soooooooooo much peyote, and it tastes so FOUL, that most people wouldn't get a good "buzz" anyhow. It has more of a spiritual and emotional effect than "visuals," so it has a pretty low "Wow, maaan" component. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul
Bunny Knutson Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 Wow, Jode! You've actually had the opportunity to be invited into a real live peyote ceremony in a real live tipi run by a real live Indian roadman? That's so cool. Are you part native American? I'm part Pomo. How did you hook up with the "Indian roadman" in order to have this experience? I'm envious! :thu: https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/
phaeton Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 Wewus... is this even wierder than the Toe Eating Cartoon Monkeys? Shit... i ph33r LSD. In fact, after a really intense trip of LSD (trip #3 of 4 total) when i was 17, smoking pot just wasn't the same again either. Or fun. Everything goes 2-dimensional and i don't know which way is up or down. LSD is the drug that made me quit doing all the other drugs i was doing. I'm kinda glad i don't do any drugs anymore, but sometimes i wish i'd have never done LSD. I still see trails and very faint visuals, and it's been some 12 years later. From what i understand, this is normal for anyone that's ever done LSD. So i can imagine that if something REALLY goes wrong, you're fucked. And probably for the rest of your life, too. While set and setting is *VERY* important, my guess is that there are also some people that should just never do LSD. I should have been clued in by the fact that out of all us that used to smoke pot, I was the one that would sometimes get all paranoid. Oh well. Can't change the past. Hopefully i didn't screw myself up too bad with it. But if you *did*, how would you ever know? Dr. Seuss: The Original White Rapper . WWND?
Bunny Knutson Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 I don't think you screwed yourself up, Phaeton. Those things were all there before you ever took acid. You just never noticed them. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/
whitefang Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 I just got here. Wewus' story reminded me of a time, in the late '70's, when a friend of mine brought a vile of acid to another friends party. While going through the task of dropping small droplets of the stuff on sugar cubes, he knocked the bottle over and spilled a small amount on his finger. This would still equal far more than only one person would consume. We had to literally sit on him for several hours until he calmed down to a point where we wouldn't be afraid of him hurting himself. Longest night I can remember! That shit can get you wasted just soaking into the pores, man. Poor kid, indeed. Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left!
Skip_dup1 Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 What`s really scary is-what happened to that poor kid is what`s done to test animals on a regular basis, to let us all know how `hazardous` the stuff is. Gasoline does really cool stuff if used properly, but don`t carry huge cans of it around...
nursers Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 Regarding "Set and Setting", that work was done by Norman Zinberg, called "Drug, Set and Setting". The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields
Anon-a-Monster Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters had a different attitude than 'set and setting'. Read the Electric Kool Aid Acid Test. If you think Hunter S Thompson is Gonzo...
phaeton Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 [b] I don't think you screwed yourself up, Phaeton. Those things were all there before you ever took acid. You just never noticed them. [/b] This is most likely true. The more i've studied HPPD the more it makes sense. Shortly after that episode, i also developed an anxiety/depression disorder. I realise this can happen in people who've never done drugs too, but i guess we'll never know. Dr. Seuss: The Original White Rapper . WWND?
Wewus432 Posted January 23, 2003 Author Posted January 23, 2003 Some people and you don't know who until you take it can develop mental illness from one dose of LSD. I saw it happen to a guy I knew. He totally freaked out on acid and then a couple of weeks later he started talking about everybody being after him. I asked him who and he said "The Cia, The FBI, The IRS, the KKK, the Power Company etc." He actually had a list of about 20 people or organizations he thought were trailing him or after him. Schizophrenia! LSD, not for the faint of heart. Damn it, I gotta go board the back door up, frigging robots are trying to break in again.
phaeton Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 Yeah, scary stuff... Btw, Wewus.. I recall some time ago you started a thread similar to this (the one with the Toe-Eating Monkeys). Many people put in a lot of input of some scary/fsckedup stuff they've seen. I've got to credit you for probably one of my most favourite OT articles. :thu: Dr. Seuss: The Original White Rapper . WWND?
rog951 Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 I didn't even know about the dragon living inside my wall until the 'shrooms came along! :eek: I gave 'em the ol' "college try" (three or four tries, actually) but it was always more like a nightmare for me. I guess my setting left a lot to be desired. I was in the process of flunking out too so my mental state was probably pretty fragile at the time... None more black.
Wewus432 Posted January 23, 2003 Author Posted January 23, 2003 Thanks Phaeton: That was an interesting thread. I wish it would have been longer but I think a lot of people shy away from that subject matter out of fear of ridicule or just plain fear. I think there is a HUGE part of reality that the human mind filters out but in children and some adults those filters don't always work.
phaeton Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 [b] Thanks Phaeton: That was an interesting thread. I wish it would have been longer but I think a lot of people shy away from that subject matter out of fear of ridicule or just plain fear. I think there is a HUGE part of reality that the human mind filters out but in children and some adults those filters don't always work. [/b] You know, it's funny you say that. A young woman (actually just starting her career as a psychologist) i met when i was in HS, told me that when you are born, you are golden. And when you are a kid, it is imagination and creativity that gives you life. When you become an adult, the world in general tries to squeeze it all out of you and call it `maturity'. She said "Don't EVER forget how to use your imagination." Those words echoed in my head like a bowling ball dropped on a kettle drum. And the older i get, the more it makes sense. I think kids are more sensitive to a lot of things- both real and imagined. And by the time we are adults, we've basically been made to forget such things, so they essentially "don't exist". I can't even begin to count how many times i wish i were a kid again. What i'd give to sit down for an entire afternoon and have another Epic Space Battle with all my Legos again. Those were the days :) Dr. Seuss: The Original White Rapper . WWND?
nursers Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by TheWewus: [b] Damn it, I gotta go board the back door up, frigging robots are trying to break in again.[/b][/quote]Exterminaaate!! Exterminaaaaaaaate! [img]http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/old/pics/dalek-1.jpg[/img] The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields
Wewus432 Posted January 23, 2003 Author Posted January 23, 2003 You know when I was a kid, other kids would say stuff like "hey let's build a robot" and then just sit there and dream about it, but I actually built a robot, and I still have it. god damn, I did have it. Where'd that thing go?
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