eightyeightkeys Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Firstly, I would much rather record a live drummer than have to program my own drums but....(sigh)...more times than not, I end up programming drum tracks for a lot of clients. A LOT ! I listen (and have listened intently) to drummers, live and on CD/LP..etc...and I am truly in love with the instrument and in live concerts I end up listening and watching the drummer more so than any other instrument. But, my fills are getting somewhat predictable. I'm reaching for the same or similar fills time and time again. Are there any really good drum fill books where fills are notated on score ? eightyeightkeys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod S Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Get the twiddly bits drums disk. It´s only about $30, and well worth it. Tons of patterns, fills in midi - no programmed, but played by drummers in electronic sets. You can always open up it in a sequencer and look at the notation if that approach works better. I have a few disks from that series and I find them well worth it for the price. Korg Kronos X73 / ARP Odyssey / Motif ES Rack / Roland D-05 / JP-08 / SE-05 / Jupiter Xm / Novation Mininova / NL2X / Waldorf Pulse II MBP-LOGIC American Deluxe P-Bass, Yamaha RBX760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightyeightkeys Posted January 22, 2003 Author Share Posted January 22, 2003 Thanks Rod. Is it under twiddly bits.com or ....? eightyeightkeys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Are you sequencing from a keyboard? I find it way easier to program drums with sticks in my hands. I've got a Roland SPD-8 (I think it is). Looks like an Octapad with a pedal for kick. It seems to make drums come out way more realistic. -David http://www.garageband.com/artist/MichaelangelosMuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod S Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by d-dmusic: [b]Thanks Rod. Is it under twiddly bits.com or ....?[/b][/quote]They are distributed by Keyfax. http://www.keyfax.com/keyfax/prdct.html I have the 'Drums and Percussion' one.. I can't really vouch for the others, but I recall someone saying the Bill Bruford series was good. Korg Kronos X73 / ARP Odyssey / Motif ES Rack / Roland D-05 / JP-08 / SE-05 / Jupiter Xm / Novation Mininova / NL2X / Waldorf Pulse II MBP-LOGIC American Deluxe P-Bass, Yamaha RBX760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techristian Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 As a drummer I just want to say one thing to all of you keyboard players. [b]LESS IS MORE.[/b] So many times I know that I'm hearing drum parts done by keyboard players because they have fast 16th note rolls every 8 bars ! It gets sickening! It tires out the listener. If the same rolls are played over and over they lose their IMPACT. Even though I can play very fast, I would rather play 8th note rolls only a few times in a 4 minute song TO WAKE UP THE LISTENER. If you are talking about METAL though this may be a bit differnent, but who ever heard of metal with sequenced drums? Dan http://teachmedrums.com TEACHMEDRUMS.COM My Music Videos RED PILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 Just pick up a variety of drum instruction books. They all write out the fills. Just step edit them in. Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_dup3 Posted January 23, 2003 Share Posted January 23, 2003 But don't you think that fills copped from a book will be "predictable"...or perhaps I should say [i]generic[/i]? While you may find a source that fits your goal, I think it'd be better if you derived drum fills (as with any musical material) from the context of the piece at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFTurner Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 [quote]But don't you think that fills copped from a book will be "predictable"...or perhaps I should say generic? [/quote]Improvisation lends itself to the piano roll just as easy as an instrument in hand. It's just a matter of how wide or narrow you perspective is I guess. William F. Turner Songwriter turnersongs Sometimes the truth is rude... tough shit... get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcohol Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 There's no way a keyboard players flabby fingers can duplicate the speed of hard bouncing sticks. Fills in general are a kind of shortened pattern and there's a repeated vocabulary of patterned fills that can be discerned by listening to drummers. It's possible to emulate good fills with editing, not really possible to play them on the keyboard. (there are some exceptions to this rule) I think if you find a preprogrammed drum fill and utilize the fill appropriately, that's good. That's a skill right there, though time consuming. If you make your own fills, mimicking a drummer with editing will do (again time consuming). Otherwise, you need to own a midi drum pad, which I think is the second best solution to having your own set of drums in the house. I found that Drum Trax had a good library of fills, but since I bought a set of drums, it's all natural and don't use midi drums no mo'. "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality." [Dante Alighieri] (1265-1321) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 I AM A ROBOT AND I WILL HUNT YOU WHILE YOU SLEEP JDL on Purevolume Bird\'s Eye View on Purevolume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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