Cowbell Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Robert E. Lee day! Oh what joy. Let us have a moment to recognize the great American general.....
Jotown Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 There seems to be one on every thread. He will later say that he was misunderstood, and meant no harm, and that it was all in good fun. Oh boy....... :rolleyes: Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Jotown Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by CowbellAllen: [b]No seriously it is Robert E Lee day[/b][/quote]So how exaclty are you celebrating? And are you saying that you had no idea that this thread might offend some people? :confused: Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
joegerardi Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b][QUOTE]Originally posted by CowbellAllen: [qb]And are you saying that you had no idea that this thread might offend some people? :confused: [/b][/quote]Wait a minute.. Whilst I agree that the timing was probably to incite some replies, with that exception, why exactly would this thread offend some people? When I moved to Savannah from NY, I was surprised to see that we gets days off for Confederate Memorial day, and Robert E. Lee's birthday, but if it IS Robert E. Lee day, then what is the problem? I am confused by your reply. ..Joe Setup: Korg Kronos 61, Roland XV-88, Korg Triton-Rack, Motif-Rack, Korg N1r, Alesis QSR, Roland M-GS64 Yamaha KX-88, KX76, Roland Super-JX, E-Mu Longboard 61, Kawai K1II, Kawai K4.
Jotown Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Whilst I agree that the timing was probably to incite some replies, [/quote]Your answer is in your question. For the record; Robert E. Lee's birthday is the 19th of January. Today is the 20th. Unless you are living under a rock, you know that today is the official celebration of Martin Luther King's birthday. Now if Cowbellallen just got his days mixed up, and innocently made a mistake, I stand corrected. On the other hand, if you read his post, it seems to me he was trying to stir something up. Thats why Sal asked him, "why he was trolling?" There are times to be funny and irreverant, and there are times to be respectful and earnest. I think this is one of those "respectful and earnest" times. Perhaps you disagree. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Wewus432 Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 First of all Robert E. Lee wasn't a great American General, he was a great Confederate General. Ok Alan your move,(start Jeopardy music in background) this is a critical point in your SSS career, I'd suggest saying something like hmmmmmmm, [i]I wasn't thinking.[/i] but it's up to you.
Tedster Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Actually, I haven't read a whole lot on Robert E. Lee...but from what I've heard, he is a guy to be respected. I believe his adversaries had great respect for him. I don't believe his desire to command the Confederate forces was so much out of a pro-slavery stance as it was from a desire to protect his homeland, Virginia. If history had had him being born on the other side of the Potomac, he probably would have been commanding the Union forces instead. He attended West Point, and wrestled grievously over the South's desire to secede. But, whether or not you agree with his motives, he stood up for his convictions, commanded brilliantly, and surrendered gracefully. That said...there are no Civil War veterans left alive, obviously. Although some folks still think they're fighting it. Happy Birthday, Dr. King! "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine"
joegerardi Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Tedster: You speak closer to the truth than you know: Lee WAS asked to command the Union forces, but could not desert Virginia. Not the South, not the concept of slavery, but Virginia. That's why he declined that offer and then went on to command the Southern forces. To show how much he was respected by the Northern Generals, I believe that it was US Grant, when asked: "Had Lee not commanded the Southern forces, would it have made a difference in the war?" His reply was: "Yes. We would have won it two years earlier." ..Joe Setup: Korg Kronos 61, Roland XV-88, Korg Triton-Rack, Motif-Rack, Korg N1r, Alesis QSR, Roland M-GS64 Yamaha KX-88, KX76, Roland Super-JX, E-Mu Longboard 61, Kawai K1II, Kawai K4.
Jotown Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Tedster wrote: [quote]Actually, I haven't read a whole lot on Robert E. Lee...but from what I've heard, he is a guy to be respected. I believe his adversaries had great respect for him. [/quote]I have nothing but respect for Robert E. Lee. He believed in hiw war as much as General Grant believed in his. There is a painting of the surrender at the end of the civil war that depicts the two men shaking hands. In Grants biography, his account of that moment, and his respect for Robert E. Lee is one of the most moving stories in the book. That being said, the issue here is not about any disrespect for General Lee, but Cowbellallens intentions in posting this thread. I hope to be illuminated, and corrected. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Grant was a raving alcoholic. He was no better suited to lead this country than Bush is now. His involvement in the Credit Mobilier scandal was less than dignified. He was the first president to recieve a speeding ticket...driving a frickin' carriage for goodness'sake. All the more reason to drink up in honor of Lee. He was a great man, however much he disliked what he had to do, he did it brilliantly. And Cowbell Allen, I stand behind you brother. I'm sure you just got your stuff mixed up...and from what your post reads, it sounds like you were just pointing out a coincidence in birthdays. And the ellipse at the end shows that you are quite amused by it. I mean, what else could "Oh what joy" mean? Really...quit having that old "Black History Month stick up your ass" attitude that everyone's gonna have for the next month...there's no white history month, and no one's complaining, so shut up. I live in Memphis...I get to put up with this crap in full force...the rest of you don't. So shut up. Sorry for yelling.
Cowbell Posted January 21, 2003 Author Posted January 21, 2003 [quote] First of all Robert E. Lee wasn't a great American General, he was a great Confederate General. Ok Alan your move,(start Jeopardy music in background) this is a critical point in your SSS career, I'd suggest saying something like hmmmmmmm, I wasn't thinking. but it's up to you. [/quote]Confederate States of America. As in American.
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Ø: [b]You might be a redneck if....[/b][/quote]Too bad those are generalized overstatements. You know, commonly referred to as STEREOTYPES, so don't even get into it, cause you won't win at this point.
Cowbell Posted January 21, 2003 Author Posted January 21, 2003 Nono, I don't mean anything by it, nor did I have any intentions that Jotown thinks I do. Robert E. Lee was a great general, and if he had the same soldiers that Grant did, there is absolutely no way that he would have lost the "civil" war. And yes is birthday was yesterday. Why can't you celebrate his birthday the day after? Or the day before? I believe that some peopl say "Merry Christmas" maybe weeks before it even arrives, and may continue to be said weeks after it passes.
Salyphus Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]Too bad those are generalized overstatements. You know, commonly referred to as STEREOTYPES, so don't even get into it, cause you won't win at this point.[/b][/quote]Trying to set the hook eh? :rolleyes: Sorry, I won't take the bait.
Cowbell Posted January 21, 2003 Author Posted January 21, 2003 [quote] Trying to set the hook eh? :rolleyes: Sorry, I won't take the bait. [/quote]Okay
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Ø: [b]Trying to set the hook eh? :rolleyes: Sorry, I won't take the bait.[/b][/quote]And we didn't ask you to...so leave it alone.
Salyphus Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by CowbellAllen: [b]Nono, I don't mean anything by it, nor did I have any intentions that Jotown thinks I do. Robert E. Lee was a great general, and if he had the same soldiers that Grant did, there is absolutely no way that he would have lost the "civil" war. And yes is birthday was yesterday. Why can't you celebrate his birthday the day after? Or the day before? I believe that some peopl say "Merry Christmas" maybe weeks before it even arrives, and may continue to be said weeks after it passes.[/b][/quote]Could you really be that naive? Let me continue your analogy: what you are doing is the equivalent of telling a bunch of jews "Merry Christmas" on the first day of Hannukah.
Jotown Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Hey Patrick, and Allen, I think it might just be getting a little past your bedtime. Now Martin Luther King's birthday is almost over, so drink up your Ovaltine, and go to sleep............ :bor: Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Jesus Christ what the hell is your problem Sal 0? I said leave it alone.
Salyphus Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]Jesus Christ what the hell is your problem Sal 0? I said leave it alone.[/b][/quote]LOL, do you have any other instructions for me, massah?
phaeton Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 While i must say that both Tedster and joegerardi speak it the way it truly was... i must still contemplate Cowbell's motive to announce this today, and not yesterday. I hope all things are in best interest. In any event, of course General Robert E Lee was a great man. How can i disagree, when my own grandfather, Harley W.Lee, was his great grandson? And before i'm through boring you folks with any more family tree stuff, please enjoy my avatar, which is the Coat of Arms for the Coffey Clan of Ireland. They were decendents of the O'Cobhthaigh Kingdom, of whom there was much little recorded about, unfortunately. This follows up my Grandfather's mother's side. So even if not by my own virtue, i may deserve to live on bloodlines alone, however diminished they be. Dr. Seuss: The Original White Rapper . WWND?
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Ø: [b] [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]Jesus Christ what the hell is your problem Sal 0? I said leave it alone.[/b][/quote]LOL, do you have any other instructions for me, massah?[/b][/quote]No, dick. Just that you give it up already. I'm sure Cowbell was just a bit late writing that up, and meant no harm. So fuck off, will you?
Jotown Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Really...quit having that old "Black History Month stick up your ass" attitude that everyone's gonna have for the next month...there's no white history month, and no one's complaining, so shut up. I live in Memphis...I get to put up with this crap in full force...the rest of you don't. So shut up. [/quote]A little tip: You can't make inflamatory statements, and then say- "Leave it alone". Maybe you should try just "leaving it alone". Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Cowbell Posted January 21, 2003 Author Posted January 21, 2003 Correct me if I'm wrong, but will this day next year be Monday, January 19, the same day as Robert E. Lee's birthday and Martin Luther King holiday? And, no I don't mean anything by this, I just don't have a calender handy.
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b] [quote]Really...quit having that old "Black History Month stick up your ass" attitude that everyone's gonna have for the next month...there's no white history month, and no one's complaining, so shut up. I live in Memphis...I get to put up with this crap in full force...the rest of you don't. So shut up. [/quote]A little tip: You can't make inflamatory statements, and then say- "Leave it alone". Maybe you should try just "leaving it alone".[/b][/quote]I was just making a simple point, ok. Then Sal 0 chimed in with his obnoxious shit and started carrying it even farther.
Jotown Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by CowbellAllen: [b]Correct me if I'm wrong, but will this day next year be Monday, January 19, the same day as Robert E. Lee's birthday and Martin Luther King holiday? And, no I don't mean anything by this, I just don't have a calender handy.[/b][/quote]Yes you are correct. So is your point that you are wishing us a Happy Robert E. Lee day a year early? Or, that you made a mistake? Or that you are just trying to stir up some sludge? :confused: Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b] [quote]Originally posted by CowbellAllen: [b]Correct me if I'm wrong, but will this day next year be Monday, January 19, the same day as Robert E. Lee's birthday and Martin Luther King holiday? And, no I don't mean anything by this, I just don't have a calender handy.[/b][/quote]Yes you are correct. So is your point that you are wishing us a Happy Robert E. Lee day a year early? Or, that you made a mistake? Or that you are just trying to stir up some sludge? :confused: [/b][/quote]Jesus Christ, he said he didn't mean anything by it. Cowbell, someone....CLOSE THE THREAD.
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