Would you kill your son for oil?

[EXAGON]

This war is not conceived to kill terrorists or enmys, it's conceived to kill women, children, inquinate, and let Saddam alive, like the other one (Bin), They are all alive and well. Like all wars the only people who will pay are the soldiers too, american youth, who will die for oil american multinationals, whom speacksman is GWB

[EXAGON]

i want peace [img]http://csf.colorado.edu/peace/goose.gif[/img]

[Philter]

Tron, do you ever wake up and feel like a troll in the morning?

[george costanza]

Isn't that the question YHWH posed to Abraham back when all the Semitic tribes were one people? [rolling, droning rhythm, not unlike ZZ Top's "La Grange" played at the wrong speed] ...God sez t'Abraham, "Kill me y'son!" Abe say, "Man, y'must be puttin' me on!" God sez, "No". Abe say, "What?" God sez, "Y'can do what you want, Abe, but the next time you drive an SUV you better run!" Abe say, "where y'want this killin' done?" God sez, "Out on some forsaken sand dune near the alledged Garden of Eden." [apologee-whizes to Bob Dyll, the Singin' Pickle (he's such a sour-puss)

[Tedster]

There are a lot of times I've wanted to kill my sons anyway. Anyone with teenagers will be able to appreciate it.

[joegerardi]

[quote]Originally posted by tron: [b]i want peace [img]http://csf.colorado.edu/peace/goose.gif[/img][/b][/quote]1- Find a hole. 2- Crawl in it. 3- Pull a rock over the hole. 4- Leave us the fuck alone. You'll have all the peace you can handle. ..Joe

[sbrock1san.rr.com]

[quote]Originally posted by tron: [b]This war is not conceived to kill terrorists or enmys, it's conceived to kill women, children, inquinate, and let Saddam alive, like the other one (Bin), They are all alive and well.[/b][/quote]I do not believe we are trying to kill the inquinate. This is not the Spanish Inquinition.

[Botch.]

[quote]Originally posted by SteveRB: I do not believe we are trying to kill the inquinate. This is not the Spanish Inquinition.[/QB][/quote]ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!! :D

[Franknputer]

No One expects the Spanish Inquinition!!! [img]http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/paulfitz/spanish/tt11.jpg[/img]

[Jotown]

[quote]Originally posted by tron: [b]i want peace [img]http://csf.colorado.edu/peace/goose.gif[/img][/b][/quote]So do I, you silly goose. :) Don't take joegerardi too seriously. There are many, many, many Americans who want peace as well.

[not Cereal]

hmmm.. anyone remember dratsab? TRON TROLL hmmm [coaster makes crazy gestures at troll}

[whitefang]

Kill my son for oil? HELL no. But the Government has killed many a man's son for something far less intangible. Or have we all now forgotten Viet Nam. Shit, I wouldn't even punch my son in the NOSE for oil. Especially Olive Oyl! Whitefang

[patrick_dont_fret]

If I had a son, no. Absolutely not. Not an option. Not at all. No one should die for something so material. There is plenty of hydrogen to go around, seeing as how it is 66% of water, and water is something like 75% of the earth. So, no. I'd rather walk, or ride a bike or a skateboard. And no, I won't forget the Vietnam war, my girlfriend wouldn't be here if it wasn't for it.

[GZsound]

Kill my son for oil? No.. Of course, our sons aren't going to war for oil so the question makes very little sense. Here is a question for you: If your neighbor down the street swore to his god daily to give him the power to kill you, your son, your wife, your girlfriend, your dog, your neighbors and your neighbors dog, would you let your son join the police force? Our sons are fighting and will fight so you have the right to spout your liberal psychobabble.. I get the feeling you wouldn't fight to defend anybody from anything. Hug the next guy that attacks you. Give a mugger a big kiss. Love your local criminal. It's all about the oil..right? liberal dogma...

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote] our sons aren't going to war for oil so the question makes very little sense. [/quote]BULLSHIT!!! That's all this supposed war is about. Ooooh, empty warheads? A dozen of them. Wow, that's it? I bet they were filled with sand, too. Let's see how many we have... This isn't about weapons or terrorism...it's about following Papa Bush's agenda, which was oil. They're from Texas (sorry, but true)...they're oil mongers. And they love seeing people die. Not about oil my ass.

[fantasticsound]

Tron, you've lost all sense of reality. What happened? You used to be interesting to talk to. This obsession that we're fighting just for control of oil is getting sad. There's truth to your perspective, but it's far from the only reason we're there. I'm embarrassed for all the world's industrialized nations that we chose to stay out of the African genocide, but that doesn't mitigate the needs of the Iraqi people and, as GZ stated, our need to squelch terrorism rather than wait for another 9/11. I've been to Afghanistan last year. Our troops are doing good work, in addition to hunting down terrorists.

[BNC]

I agree with fantasticsound. There is alot more at stake than oil. A relativly minor war now will prevent massive attacks later. Terrorsists and Saddam are patient if nothing else and will gladly wait another 15yrs to launch another 9/11 type attack. Also, oil is alot more important than you can imagine or would be willing to admit.

[Charlie-brm]

[quote]Originally posted by fantasticsound: [b]Tron, you've lost all sense of reality. What happened? You used to be interesting to talk to. This obsession that we're fighting just for control of oil is getting sad. There's truth to your perspective, but it's far from the only reason we're there. I'm embarrassed for all the world's industrialized nations that we chose to stay out of the African genocide, but that doesn't mitigate the needs of the Iraqi people and, as GZ stated, our need to squelch terrorism rather than wait for another 9/11. I've been to Afghanistan last year. Our troops are doing good work, in addition to hunting down terrorists.[/b][/quote]Show of hands; how many people gave a rat's ass about the people of Iraq until lately? Who's going to give a burnt rat's ass about them five years from now?

[Super 8]

[quote]Originally posted by tron: [b]i want peace [img]http://csf.colorado.edu/peace/goose.gif[/img][/b][/quote]Did he say he wants [i]geese[/i]??? Oh, and that looks to be a Canadian goose. We get a lot of them around here. They're pretty cool, but they kind of bully the ducks around -which isn't very nice.

[patrick_dont_fret]

Guessing by how far back the legs are, that may be a loon. They have trouble walking on land as a result of leg placement, but they can swim with the best of them. It's also fun to watch them take off, as they need at least 100 feet to take off. Quite amusing, at least when you've been on the water for several days.

[Bunny Knutson]

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[Super 8]

[quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]Guessing by how far back the legs are, that may be a loon. [/b][/quote][img]http://csf.colorado.edu/peace/goose.gif[/img] A Loon!?!? That's not a loon! That's a Canadian goose, if it's any kind of bird at all! We've got tons of them all around here. They put a ban on feeding them because the geese had stopped migrating and just stayed year 'round. Kinda like the 'guest who wouldn't leave', except these guests were also having lots of babies! The ducks were all like: "There goes the neighborhood"... :rolleyes: I think we're starting to get the numbers down a bit. [quote]Originally posted by fantasticsound: [b]Tron, you've lost all sense of reality. What happened? You used to be interesting to talk to. This obsession that we're fighting just for control of oil is getting sad. There's truth to your perspective, but it's far from the only reason we're there. I'm embarrassed for all the world's industrialized nations that we chose to stay out of the African genocide, but that doesn't mitigate the needs of the Iraqi people and, as GZ stated, our need to squelch terrorism rather than wait for another 9/11. I've been to Afghanistan last year. Our troops are doing good work, in addition to hunting down terrorists.[/b][/quote]Sorry Fantasticsound, but you are wrong. Tron was never interesting to talk to. ;) But I can agree with everything else you wrote. :D Thanks for introducing a voice of reason into this. What were you doing in Afghanistan???

[D_dup3]

I don't know the answer to how to best deal with violence as a "necessary" device in a world that's violent by nature &, further, inflamed by human self-righteousness & selfishness (often on both sides of a conflict). Some times it's tough to do (or even know) what's right...but consider this : An eye for an eye leaves us all blind.

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by Super 8: [b] [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [qb]Guessing by how far back the legs are, that may be a loon. [/b][/quote][img]http://csf.colorado.edu/peace/goose.gif[/img] A Loon!?!? That's not a loon! That's a Canadian goose, if it's any kind of bird at all! We've got tons of them all around here. They put a ban on feeding them because the geese had stopped migrating and just stayed year 'round. Kinda like the 'guest who wouldn't leave', except these guests were also having lots of babies! The ducks were all like: "There goes the neighborhood"... :rolleyes: I think we're starting to get the numbers down a bit.[/quote]Sooooorrrrrrrrryyyyyy.

[Anita Fix]

As a recording engineer, I guess my opinion on international relations and american foreign policy isn't worth shit, but I have long since stopped believing or trusting politicians or business. Therefore I don't trust GWB or the white house press releases. These are powers so far beyond my control that I choose to ignore them. It wouldn't surprise me that oil interests were behind the push for war any more than I'd be surprised at news of a second gunman in Dallas when JFK was shot. Teen violence kills more every year than died in the 9-11 tragedy, why don't we declare war on teenagers? Or maybe we have and it's called pop music. My only faith lies in science. Trust no one and prepare for the worst. And be happy; my mother told me "from the time you're born until you ride in a hearse, things are never so bad they can't get worse" I miss her.

[Charlie-brm]

I've been told to cheer up, things could be worse. And sure enough, I tired to cheer up, and things have been worse.

[sbrock1san.rr.com]

[quote]Originally posted by Anita Fix: [b]As a recording engineer, I guess my opinion on international relations and american foreign policy isn't worth shit[/b][/quote]Don't sell yourself short. I've read your opinion and it definitely is worth shit. ;)

[george costanza]

[quote]Originally posted by d: [b]...Some times it's tough to do (or even know) what's right...but consider this : An eye for an eye leaves us all blind.[/b][/quote]:thu:

[Super 8]

[quote]Originally posted by Anita Fix: [b]These are powers so far beyond my control that I choose to ignore them. Trust no one and prepare for the worst. And be happy; my mother told me "from the time you're born until you ride in a hearse, things are never so bad they can't get worse".[/b][/quote]UGH! Boy, theres some good advice to overdose to... I don't think it's possible to "Trust no one" *AND* to "be happy", at the same time. Maybe for snakes and many insects it is, but not for humans. We are social by nature. We NEED each other. Why else would solitary confinement be considered the most cruel form of punishment? I went through a period in my early 20's (as many do) of becoming cynical. Maybe it has something to do with realizing that the idealistic notions you had as a teen aren't panning out quite the way you thought they would... That your impact on the world won't be as extreme as you had envisioned. But I emerged on the other side of that cynicism to adopt what I feel is a healthy dose of skepticism. The difference between cynicism and skepticism may seem small, but it is a significant difference: Cynicism questions everything but assumes the worst. Therefore the answers it finds are usually in alignment with it's dim outlook because it doesn't stop until it validates it's worst fears. Skepticism questions everything but doesn't necessarily take sides. The only thing it assumes is that there's probably more to the story than you are aware. It gradually forms conclusions as it gathers details, rather than gathering details to validate preclusions. 9/11 is an AMAZING example of the worst and the best that humanity has to offer. When I think about the tragic events that happened, I have to wonder why anyone even bothers to care about anything anymore. But when I look at the bravery and compassion that was demonstrated by the firemen (and so many others), I know there is still good reason not to abandon hope but to continue striving toward the good. Because the good really does outweigh the bad. And NEVER question your impact on society -it's far greater than you know. So choose carefully what you want that impact to be...

[Curve Dominant]

I want war. [img]http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/ah64d003.jpg[/img] Have a nice day!