JV1010: question for Dave McM?

[gangsu]

Hi Dave! As you know, I often use the JV1010 module for harp. I assign it to one of the promega's unused sections, and flip between that and an onboard piano.

 

My concern: switching different sections of the promega on and off will 'sometimes' cause the module to switch to a new sound, without indicating a change on its LED display. Switching "patches" on the promega will definitely cause the module to flip to a new sound, without indicating the change. I have to first take the precaution of resetting the knob to make sure it hasn't been disturbed. That is, if I remember. Not fun in a live situation.

 

I've got the module connected to the promega via audio ins so I have easy control of both volumes. But if I could assign that harp sound to a patch on the keyboard, I'd be much happier. No flipping the master volume down, input volume up, etc. Although, I don't think the input slider is motorized? Also, I thought that using the promega's "local off" button, would mean that I would only hear the module sounds. But local off results in no sound from either the keyboard, or the module. Ahhhh! mabye that only works when the module is connected via an external mixer. That would make sense...maybe....

 

Well, I just wondered if my 1010 eBay special is messed up, but now I'm thinking not.

 

BTW, I have tried the same setup with a brand new PM3 having the latest update, with the same result.

 

Just Airing a Grievance, not expecting a free solution.

Thanks, though! Sue

[DaveMcM]

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[DaveMcM]

Originally posted by gangsu:

Just Airing a Grievance, not expecting a free solution.

Thanks, though! Sue

Hi Sue,

 

What you are referring to as a grievance is really just a situation of not having things set-up properly; sometimes referred to as 'operator error'. Although I feel that this term should only be used when the operator knows the correct procedure for a task but insists on trying to accomplish it in the wrong way (and then typically gets upset with the equipment when things don't work right). In this situation, it is more a case of 'un-informed operator'. So allow me to inform you.

 

 

This is easy to set up.

 

First a little info - The JV1010 is a 16 part multi-timbral sound module and as such it has the potential of receiving MIDI data, i.e. notes, program changes, etc. simultaneously in all 16 MIDI channels. It is likely that when you turn ON a sound section of the Promega, the program change assigned to that section within the current preset is being transmitted and the JV1010 responds by changing sounds.

 

I would suggest creating a user preset on the Promega that will call up the appropriate harp sound at the appropriate volume level from the JV1010. Here's how;

 

If I remember correctly the JV1010 has two play modes, Preset and Performance (though I may have the names wrong). A Preset consists of one sound only while a Performance can access a total of 16 sounds for creating layers and/or splits from a single incoming MIDI channel or for use as a template for external sequencing. I suggest you use Preset mode. You need to determine what the reception channel (Rx) is for Preset mode. This will be the MIDI channel you assign to the sound section on the Promega. SUGGESTION: Select a MIDI channel other than the Promega default channels of 1 thru 4. This way when selecting other Presets on the Promega 3, the JV1010 will not respond (as long as it is in Preset Mode or whatever it is called).

 

On the Promega;

1. Turn ON the sound section of your choice and turn the other sections OFF.

2. Press the MIDI button.

3. Using the fader in the chosen section, set the transmitted MIDI Channel to that of the JV1010 reception channel.

4. Turn all other sections to MIDI OFF by lowering their faders to the bottom of their travel.

5. Press the Right Arrow button in the Edit & Controls section one time to display the Program Change screen and use the chosen sections fader to set the appropriate program change number for the Harp sound from the JV1010.

NOTE: When using the section fader to set the program change, you will notice that the Rotary Dial LED will turn OFF. This indicates that the section is in Section Local OFF mode. If you want to layer the external sound source with a sound within the section, using the Rotary Dial to select the desired sound within the sound section will allow that section to play the internal voice along with sending MIDI note data to the receiving device.

6. The next two screens under MIDI Edit relate to Most and Least Significant Byte (MSB and LSB). These two values allow for the access of additional banks of sounds. MIDI is limited to a maximum of 128 program changes so by using MSB and LSB to access additional banks, many more sounds can be accessed. You will have to look in the Users Manual for the JV1010 to determine the proper setting for MSB and LSB.

7. Save your changes as a User Preset.

 

Thats all there is to it. What will take the most time is determining the MSB, LSB and MIDI channel of the JV1010. Setting it up on the Promega 3 should take all of about 30 seconds.

 

Good luck. Let me know if you get stuck and I will try to download the manual for the JV1010 and get the necessary information for you.

 

Best Regards,

 

Dave

[DaveMcM]

Hi Sue,

 

Any luck with the above steps?

 

Dave

[gangsu]

Originally posted by DaveMcM:

Hi Sue,

 

Any luck with the above steps?

 

Dave

LUCK, you ask? With a most excellent friend and mentor such as yourself, guiding every step of my way?

 

I really really appreciate this. I mean, I really appreciate you! Thanks, Dave. I'm dying to give it another shot. unfortunately my gear's set up elsewhere right now and I can't get to it til later tonight.

 

I must have been in the wrong "mode" last time I tried doing things the right way. "Performance" maybe, instead of "preset". Man though, it sure would have been nice to be on top of this 4 days ago. Ridiculous, really, flipping piano/harp scores while transposing madly and swapping volumes .... all the while dreading that cheezy brass band that's always, for some reason, the default patch...

 

I'll keep you posted. Thanks again.

[DaveMcM]

Hi Sue,

 

I had a little spare time so I downloaded and took a look at the JV1010 manual. OK, so forget what I said about using Performance Mode. It will be much easier to do what you want if the JV1010 is in Patch Mode.

 

I would still suggest setting the MIDI reception channel (Rx) on the JV1010 to something other than 1-4 since these are used as the default channels of the four sound sections of the Promega 3. How does Midi channel 5 grab you? That means you turn the Patch Rx CH knob to 5 which is in the 3 o'clock position. Easy to remember. And then make sure that you set the JV1010 to Patch Mode by using the Value/Mode button. That's it for the JV1010!

NOTE: Be sure that the JV1010 Receive program change switch and the Receive bank select switch are both turned ON. Ill leave that one up to you to find in the manual. My hope is that these switches are turned on by default because I had no luck finding how to do it in the manual.

 

For step 5 from my previous post, you will enter Program Change 49. The Harp Patch in the JV1010 is in Group PR-C and is Patch number 50. Since the JV1010 Patches are numbered 1-128 you need to subtract 1 from the Patch number to arrive at the MIDI Program Change number. "Easy, Ain't It?"

 

For step 6 of my instructions, enter 81 for the MSB and enter 2 for the LSB.

NOTE: I don't think you need to subtract 1 from these values, but if you don't hear the harp sound, you might want to try doing that.

 

Let me know how it works.

 

Dave

[gangsu]

O happy day! Everything works like a charm. You have a gift, Dave. You got through to me.

Thanks!

[DaveMcM]