HomeAmateur Posted November 3, 2005 Author Share Posted November 3, 2005 dgrennan, ya that may be,.. although one might assume that this new MO8 is there new flagship ??? unless.... this will be the "low-end" flagship and there next unit will be more of a Tyros2 / Motif ES combo.... which this move will justify them charging an amr and a leg for it.. which wont suprise me...that they'll hold back the better piano's for the "high-end" flagship... when they could so easly just put it in the MO8... and if that happens.... well lets just say that nobody should be in the dark about their greed and profit priorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinwv Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Originally posted by homeAmature: dgrennan, ya that may be,.. although one might assume that this new MO8 is there new flagship ??? unless.... this will be the "low-end" flagship and there next unit will be more of a Tyros2 / Motif ES combo.... which this move will justify them charging an amr and a leg for it.. which wont suprise me...that they'll hold back the better piano's for the "high-end" flagship... when they could so easly just put it in the MO8... and if that happens.... well lets just say that nobody should be in the dark about their greed and profit priorities If Yamaha follows the pattern established by the S90 Classic and Motif ES, the piano on the "new flagship" will not subjectively be as good as the piano on the S90ES, unless they finally listen to the market and put a P-series quality piano in the "next flagship". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrennan Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Yeah I agree, To me, the Mo8 is a very viable alternative to an S90es, but also an alternative to the Motif ES8. I can't see them introducing a product that would threaten sales all the way up to the top. I guess we'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeAmateur Posted November 3, 2005 Author Share Posted November 3, 2005 davinwv,..(unless they finally listen to the market and put a P-series quality piano in the "next flagship".) listen to the market that buys there products and makes them a multi-billion dollar corp .... now why in the world would they want to do that ??? i mean why start now ??? I think probably nearly EVERONE that owns a S90,ES,MOTIF,ES MO8, etc...... Agrees.... WHY THE HELL ISNT THE P-SERIES PIANO SAMPLE IN THEM ???? I think ive stated in the past the in the "broader sence" I actually usually prefer Yamaha over Roland BUTT I own the RD700sx PRIMARILY because of its MUCH better piano then what was in the originaly S90 or either of the Motifs.... and im sure im not the only one that didnt give Yamaha their money for that very reason... I mean, put a freaking P piano or equivelant or better in the dang Motif or "NEW" Motif and Id probably buy it today... dont get me wrong I "do" understand "profits" and "market share" etc etc.....BUT there comes a time when ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY..... we (the people) just keep on gettting shafted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 At first I was confused, but now I understand. There are really two different companies, both named Yamaha making keyboards. One, thinks they should be longer--they came out with a new keyboard called the S90ES. The other Yamaha thinks shorter keyboards are the way to go and they came out with the MO8. Now it all makes sense. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I'm still waiting for an S76ES. Compact package (wheels above the keyboard), same sounds/features, with a 76 note fully weighted keyboard. The MO8 is an intriguing product and looks like if I could get past the lack of aftertouch, the wallwart and the color , then it would be a good incremental improvement to my S90 Classic. Plus, it would fit nicely into the same case and weighs about 7 lbs less. At first I was confused, but now I understand. There are really two different companies, both named Yamaha making keyboards. One, thinks they should be longer--they came out with a new keyboard called the S90ES. The other Yamaha thinks shorter keyboards are the way to go and they came out with the MO8. Now it all makes sense. Busch, I had exactly the same thought when I first viewed the photos of the MO8. This is one of the things that offended me about the S90ES...it would have been a simple swap from the S90 Classic to the S90ES, but that extra 5-6" in width made it difficult and more costly (buying a new case and trying to fit it in the vehicle). My guess is that the S90ES' chassis is sourced from the Motif ES8 and the MO8's chassis is sourced from the S90 Classic. Regards, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I can't get too excited about this thing. In a live performance keyboard, I don't need the sequencer. A sampler I can use, certainly, but the MO doesn't have one. No PLG cards (I use all three on my S90). Wall-wart, no AT. No high-end piano or advanced piano features. In comparison to the S90 classic, you gain some sounds but you also lose some important features. I wonder if the sound of it is in the same league as the MotifES and S90ES? Did they scrimp on the DACs? It is an entry-level workstation. The silver is SO 1990s. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fortner Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Ah, the cat's outta the bag. I've known the MO8 was coming for a couple of weeks now, but couldn't say anything out of respect for Yamaha's wishes. Wall wart and no aftertouch is pretty standard for "lite" versions of mainstream workstations. I'm hoping to get my hands on one soon, though it's not determined yet who'll be doing the review. Stephen Fortner Principal, Fortner Media Former Editor in Chief, Keyboard Magazine Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine Industry affiliations: Antares, Arturia, Giles Communications, MS Media, Polyverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeAmateur Posted November 3, 2005 Author Share Posted November 3, 2005 well at least i would hope this is their "lite" version of whats to come... if so then it looks like its possibe there going to follow Korgs lead and have a "few" versions of their "same ole'" own "flagship" unless they come out with something completly differnt for their "NON-Lite" version of a new workstation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fortner Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Yeah... entry-level or more affordable versions of things tend to be based on existing products... they don't really offer any sneak peeks of what's to come. Technology benefits always flow downwards through a company's product line. Stephen Fortner Principal, Fortner Media Former Editor in Chief, Keyboard Magazine Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine Industry affiliations: Antares, Arturia, Giles Communications, MS Media, Polyverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 I think the MO "lite" makes sense from a product positioning standpoint. Not everyone wants an ES8 for a retail of 3495.00. Having a lite weight board with a little less at a lower price might drive buyers to Yamaha instead of Roland. I've been working with the ES8 sequencer extensively for over a month, and I have been able to get a lot of work done on the ES8, but there are still things I can't figure out how to do. I wish Yamaha would make some changes to the OS of the ES8. Not being able to save individual songs is a PITA, no matter how Yamaha slices it. I need to juggle my song list around for different venues, and being able to save individual songs to compile different sets would save a lot of headaches. The ES8 user manual is a waste of trees. I still put in calls to Yamaha to find out how to do things I did on Ensoniq TS10. DUH! Mike T Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Mizzell Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Yawn....zzzzzzzzzz "I've got an idea for a great new product!!! Let's just take our "MegaThinga-X18A" and the "MageThinga-X18A-B", combine the two and put it in a new box and call it the "MegaThinga-A-OK"! We'll sell a million of them" because everybody just HAS to have the newest thing! Plus, we can save ourselves a lot of money because we can drop support of the two other models too! Brilliant!" Jezz - somebody do something INNOVATIVE, will ya?!?!?!?! I'm so sick of repackaged sameness!! Les Mizzell ---------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 Originally posted by MikeT156: I think the MO "lite" makes sense from a product positioning standpoint. Not everyone wants an ES8 for a retail of 3495.00. Having a lite weight board with a little less at a lower price might drive buyers to Yamaha instead of Roland. I've been working with the ES8 sequencer extensively for over a month, and I have been able to get a lot of work done on the ES8, but there are still things I can't figure out how to do. I wish Yamaha would make some changes to the OS of the ES8. Not being able to save individual songs is a PITA, no matter how Yamaha slices it. I need to juggle my song list around for different venues, and being able to save individual songs to compile different sets would save a lot of headaches. The ES8 user manual is a waste of trees. I still put in calls to Yamaha to find out how to do things I did on Ensoniq TS10. DUH! Mike T Holy S$%T - Mike's back. How you doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Hughes Posted November 3, 2005 Share Posted November 3, 2005 "Hi, this is Ken from Keyboard Magazine. Don't bother sending that MO8 for review. The guys on our forum have already sussed it as a miserable failure and a waste of money." Technical Editor Keyboard Magazine More people pay for Keyboard than any other music-tech magazine. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by Ken Hughes: "Hi, this is Ken from Keyboard Magazine. Don't bother sending that MO8 for review. The guys on our forum have already sussed it as a miserable failure and a waste of money." Just doing what we do best, bitch about things. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by Ken Hughes: "Hi, this is Ken from Keyboard Magazine. Don't bother sending that MO8 for review. The guys on our forum have already sussed it as a miserable failure and a waste of money." Well.. Yamaha used to be a company that really pioneered a lot of things (FM, VL, etc) now they just regurgitate technology... I've been using a Vsynth for 1 week now and already even things like the touch screen make Yamahas GUI efforts look like something from a decade ago.. C'mon Yamaha what have you got in the pipeline for us guys who want something a bit more evocative or inspiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resigned Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Why would you want to review something you've reviewed before anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeAmateur Posted November 4, 2005 Author Share Posted November 4, 2005 maybe they just have a ton of leftover Motif and S90 parts in there warehouse and wanted to use them up (get their money out of them) before they move on to the next "Genuine" "NEW" board.... so they threw em' all together and put em' in a new box...and wa-la the new MO6/8 and whats up with the name MO ??? looks like there not just holding back on features..but hell we cant even get more then two letters of of them for a name..... actually im suprised its not called the S99 or something... or at least the Motif ES/LE or Motif ES Studio.... and just get it over with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 By homeAmature: "and whats up with the name MO ??? looks like there not just holding back on features..but hell we cant even get more then two letters of of them for a name....." It represents the number of features. Without the sequencer it would be just M8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analogaddict Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 And if they release a rack version, would it be... the MO'rack??? And how would it differ from the Mo'rack..?! If Carlito is right, they could call it the M-rack or M-box or perhaps MO'Phattsomething. The kids want "Phatt" these days! If there's a 2nd gen somewhere down the line, they could call this one the M1r. Or, as an 80's latin-tinged paraphrase, the Mexpander - complete with full length Mega Mariachi samples... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildbill Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by Analogaddict: And if they release a rack version, would it be... the MO'rack??? And how would it differ from the Mo'rack..?! ................... they'd have to take out the connectors for the plug-in boards. as far as the Mo6/8 go, i don't think it's a bad idea. makes a lot of sense as a gigging board and in a home studio, the ability to control your DAW and have 'total recall' thru the 'studio connections' would be pretty cool. it's definitely a 'motif lite' tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Svensson Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Not having the possibility to add the plugin boards can only mean one of two things: 1. No one buys the plugin boards, i.e. it costs more to add the possibility to attach the plugin boards than Yamaha makes from selling the boards. - or - 2. Yamahas next new synth will not have the plugin boards either. Just like Korg did with the Extreme, the boards will be built-in from the beginning (OK Extreme is just the ROM added and not the MOSS). Yamaha will add the FM, virtual analog and VL synth in the new uber-everything mega workstation released next year and the demand for plugin boards will then be nil from then on. The fun has just begun TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resigned Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Yamaha's PLG boards are a great idea conceptually, and they are better than Roland or Korg boards in terms of functionality, but they still aren't that great. I own most of them and some are okay, like the PF piano board which has a good sound and it's own 64 notes of polyphony, and the DX board which is like adding a DX-7 to your keyboard with 16 note of polyphony, but the remainder are of questionable usefulness and some outright suck (the XG expansion board in particular). For example, the monophonic VL board is best when used with a wind controller, not a keyboard. To make matters worse, while Yamaha markets their PLG boards as "compatible" with all their synths that accept PLG boards, they only release PLG voice data for their most popular synths and the rest go wanting. Documentation is also poor to non-existant. So for the MO's to not use PLG boards is a saving grace for both Yamaha and the customer. As far as the uber-synth that everyone now expects from Yamaha, I wouldn't expect much. I seems likely that Yamaha may come out with a Motif ES+ that features a few new Megavoices along with the Super-Articulation keyboard features and hard disk recording capability that are now appearing on the new Tyros 2 arranger but not much beyond that. Think of it this way: the more features that their high-end workstations and arrangers have in common, the less diverse their customer service department has to be. While the Motif and the Motif ES opened to much fanfare, reality has set in for many owners who are tired of that small green LCD display and the convoluted operating system and user interface. Judging from people I know personally there is a quiet migration away from Motifs going on that may turn into a stampede. Yamaha is crafty enough to know this and the Mo seems priced to take away the used-Motif market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guestuserguestuser.com Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by homeAmature: and whats up with the name MO ???It's a taste of what's to come: Next NAMM they'll introduce the YAMAHA Lari, and a year later, the YAMAHA Kurli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrennan Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Lol, It's interesing the the new Yamaha 'LE' model is called the MO, and the new Korg 'LE' model is called the TR. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeAmateur Posted November 4, 2005 Author Share Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by The Pro: Judging from people I know personally there is a quiet migration away from Motifs going on that may turn into a stampede. Yamaha is crafty enough to know this and the Mo seems priced to take away the used-Motif market. Very interesting thought,.. if this is there thinking, there definatly "craftier" then we might think... this way all the people that would of bought a used Motif (where Yamaha gets NO money from that) may now buy a MO8 instead (thus Yamaha CASHING IN AGAIN) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Originally posted by Ken Hughes: "Hi, this is Ken from Keyboard Magazine. Don't bother sending that MO8 for review. The guys on our forum have already sussed it as a miserable failure and a waste of money." OK...here goes. A lot of us in here are working musicians, playing out for a living, and time and time again we see the big three pass us up. When it comes to a product like this, we're all making do with a workstation version (which is not ideal...they're big, costly, and not set up well for gigging on the front panel), or having to go with a "performance" keyboard like the Roland RD series or Yamaha's P series, which treat us like dumbshits because you can't edit as deeply as their workstations, and don't have all the sounds either. So...Yamaha updates the S...yay! But wait a minute, it's kinda long for gigging. Must be more for studio cats and churches. And no 76 or 61 key versions...damn. And then...there's this. A budget workstation...wow. And they do come out with two versions of this one. Dang. Passed up again. Many of us are older and remember the time when keyboard manufacturers catered almost exclusively to us, and probably got a little spoiled by it all, but still...I just get the feeling that we're getting snubbed year after year by the big three. It's frustrating, and by the tone of others in this forum I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeAmateur Posted November 4, 2005 Author Share Posted November 4, 2005 also, very interesting to about the plug in boards NOT being an option on the NEW MO... to come out with a new product that wont even accept another of the same companies products is definatly a significant tell-tale sign that something is in the works... either the PLG cards are being fased out due to lack of sales and/or a "new" technology coming to replace them... i wouldnt think they would now start "building in" all of those cards into there "new" workstations... that would seem like a tremendous cost...and very self defeating of the profit from having them as an "add-on option" instead and,.. i cant seem them even bothering to make a rack version of this thing... although an ES rack with the sequenceer and sampling it in it might be a good idea... i might even buy that and just keep my 700sx which reminds me,.. Im suprised that Roland hasnt yet come out with a NEW SRX card with a soundset to compete with the Motif... they must know that the general conceses is that with the execption of there awesome pianos.. that the majority of people prefer the soundset of the Motif... it seems an SRX card loaded with higher quality sounds and some of those Yamaha style arpegiated rythems, etc would be a nice addition -- im sure they would be a big seller... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeAmateur Posted November 4, 2005 Author Share Posted November 4, 2005 Bill, also, and I might be wrong but it seems like there used to be a "rack" version of almost every sound (especially piano) you could get in a board... Ive mentioned this before, but Ill say it again... I think its blatent disreguard for there customers actuall needs/wants, that Yamaha hasnt after all this time put there P-series piano in some kind of rack version.... I would almost gurarantee that tons and tons of them would be sold... but instead they force you (us) if you want that piano to buy a full keyboard... and that is NOT the ideal for many people..... seems "in the old days" there would of been a P-Rack released with the first P80 or whaterver it was...... ITS JUST WRONG ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guestuserguestuser.com Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Actually, homeAmature, if my memory is correct, the only piano module ever released by Yamaha was the P50M, I think it was called, a half-rack module. Although Yamaha has a history of releasing rack versions of their synths, they don't have a history of rack versions of their digital pianos, as far as I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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