RIAA site haX0red again

[phaeton]

Probably old news... Here's a screenshot: http://www.fament.com/macahan/riaa_hacked.gif Stupid Kids.

[Cowfingers]

well i cant say i'm upset. i hate the riaa. oh yeah!

[phaeton]

Naw.. they're not my favourite entity either.. But neither are crackerz and/or other laymerz that do this sort of thing. They perpetuate the mis-meaning of the word "hacker". But what can you do..... It's a dangerous Internet out there.

[RobT]

[quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b]They perpetuate the mis-meaning of the word "hacker". [/b][/quote]You got that right. It used to be a badge of honor, imagination and flexible technical creativity. What a perversion its become! Script kiddies have no imagination!!

[phaeton]

[b] You got that right. It used to be a badge of honor, imagination and flexible technical creativity. What a perversion its become! Script kiddies have no imagination!! [/b] it *still* is a badge of honour, ability, imagination and flexible creativity. It causes much chagrin when used inappropriately, especially in such a public manner.

[Jeebus]

[quote]Originally posted by Cowfingers: [b]well i cant say i'm upset. i hate the riaa. oh yeah![/b][/quote]I can't say that I'm losing any sleep over it either. If the RIAA, er.. I mean [b]The Man[/b] were hacked on a daily basis I think that it would be the least of my worries.

[Duhduh]

Sorry guys. But these kind of antics are what hackers have always been about.

[Rim]

[quote]Originally posted by Duhduh: [b]Sorry guys. But these kind of antics are what hackers have always been about.[/b][/quote]I must disagree. Here's an excerpt from http://www.sptimes.com/Hackers/history.hacking.html : 'At first, "hacker" was a positive term for a person with a mastery of computers who could push programs beyond what they were designed to do.' I don't remember where, but I read somewhere that the origin of "hackers" didn't even have anything to do with computers. To paraphrase, "hackers" were ingenious pranksters. The intent of the original hackers were not malicious.

[KHAN]

[quote]Originally posted by riffing: [b] To paraphrase, "hackers" were ingenious pranksters. The intent of the original hackers were not malicious.[/b][/quote]The 'original hackers' had nothing good to steal. ;)

[Duhduh]

[quote]Originally posted by riffing: [b] To paraphrase, "hackers" were ingenious pranksters.[/b][/quote]Sounds like the same thing to me.

[phaeton]

Duhduh... I don't know if you're trolling or if you're serious... If you're serious, take a look [url=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/hacker.html]here[/url] , [url=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/hacker-ethic.html]here[/url] and [url=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/cracker.html]here[/url] . This is from the Official Lexicon of Computer Jargon, and is the De Facto Authoritative document. Feel free to send an email to the author explaining that crackers and hackers are the same thing, and tell me what kind of response you get. Peace :)

[RobT]

Dagnabbit phaeton ya beat me to it! Many of the heads of some of our biggest computer companies were/are considered hackers in their youth. We would not have had many of the breakthrus in computer technology had it not been for the person who hacked together a solution to a problem. These folks nowadays are glorified electronic graffiti artists. There is a difference between hackers, crackers, trashers, script kiddies and the like. The media picked up a term and abused it.

[phaeton]

[b] Dagnabbit phaeton ya beat me to it! Many of the heads of some of our biggest computer companies were/are considered hackers in their youth. We would not have had many of the breakthrus in computer technology had it not been for the person who hacked together a solution to a problem. These folks nowadays are glorified electronic graffiti artists. There is a difference between hackers, crackers, trashers, script kiddies and the like. The media picked up a term and abused it. [/b] Heh.. ph33r my 1200kbps wireless link! True- many of the heads of our technology companies are brilliant folk. Bill Joy at Sun Microsystems is a helluva guy. All my other opinions of Bill Gates aside, he's actually quite a competent programmer. Even if i think Steve Jobs is a lunatic, he's definately got some hacker-spirit in him. And although Steve Wozniak is no longer with Apple, he's the epitome of the stereotypical Hardware Hacker. So forth, so on. [b] These folks nowadays are glorified electronic graffiti artists. [/b] "These folks nowadays", or simply "These folks that defaced this site"? The former implies that you may feel there are no True Hackers(tm) left in this world. If that's the case, i could introduce you to about 8K or so ;)

[RobT]

[quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b][b] "These folks nowadays", or simply "These folks that defaced this site"? The former implies that you may feel there are no True Hackers(tm) left in this world. If that's the case, i could introduce you to about 8K or so ;) [/b][/quote]I meant these folks that defaced this site. Personally, I think the L0pht and Cult of the Dead Cow did some fine work. That Swedish kid and DeCSS was one fine piece of code too. I'm sure there are others but I'm outta that loop nowadays.

[phaeton]

RobT- Yeah i agree. And i'm pretty much out of the loop on that one too. I began the way of the $krYp+ K|ddI3z myself in '97 or so. DOS Attacks, WinNukes, m4d k4r4z33 kLUzt0r pr0+ phUx and the like. Yeah.. i was one of THEM. But the more i learned about computing, programming, and networking the more i wanted to just study things and create. Less and less i wanted to do the things of laymerz. I was (surprisingly) accepted into the Hacker Community and i never looked back. It's a family, not unlike musicianship, but on a different level. I love it. :D It doesn't make *me* a hacker, persay (and one can never call themselves one anyhow, you can only be called one by someone else after you've earned it) but these days i most certainly am no more a cracker than a roll of scotch tape. What's your story? :p

[Rim]

[quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b]All my other opinions of Bill Gates aside, he's actually quite a competent programmer.[/b][/quote]I don't know if it's true or urban myth but somebody told me a story about Bill Gates that earned my respect. Supposedly, it was at a conference that Bill was extolling a new programming app, I think it was Visual Basic, and how much faster you can code with it. There were folks in the conference that was kind of heckling them so they set up a programming challenge the next day. Bill himself, using his new app, beat the other programmers with whatever programs they were using.

[RobT]

[quote]Originally posted by phaeton: [b]RobT- Yeah i agree. And i'm pretty much out of the loop on that one too. I began the way of the $krYp+ K|ddI3z myself in '97 or so. DOS Attacks, WinNukes, m4d k4r4z33 kLUzt0r pr0+ phUx and the like. Yeah.. i was one of THEM. But the more i learned about computing, programming, and networking the more i wanted to just study things and create. Less and less i wanted to do the things of laymerz. I was (surprisingly) accepted into the Hacker Community and i never looked back. It's a family, not unlike musicianship, but on a different level. I love it. :D It doesn't make *me* a hacker, persay (and one can never call themselves one anyhow, you can only be called one by someone else after you've earned it) but these days i most certainly am no more a cracker than a roll of scotch tape. What's your story? :p [/b][/quote]Eh. I gotta a few years on you but the nutshell version is I got turned on to electronics by way of some friends who built some home-brew synths in high school. Bought a PC in college with a whopping 1200 bps modem. Beat the heck out of the schools 300 baud modems and teletype terminals. Heck CRT's had the longest lines. That was a step up from the batch punch cards jobs we had to submit freshman year!! Started rolling my own software apps, became a CompSci major, found out about 2600 and the rest is history. Watched it go from command line to current state of GUI affairs. I see by your tag line your using debian :thu: I like Mandrake and SuSe myself ;) Perl is still my favorite swiss army knife for programming.

[phaeton]

[b] Eh. I gotta a few years on you but the nutshell version is I got turned on to electronics by way of some friends who built some home-brew synths in high school. Bought a PC in college with a whopping 1200 bps modem. Beat the heck out of the schools 300 baud modems and teletype terminals. Heck CRT's had the longest lines. That was a step up from the batch punch cards jobs we had to submit freshman year!! Started rolling my own software apps, became a CompSci major, found out about 2600 and the rest is history. Watched it go from command line to current state of GUI affairs. I see by your tag line your using debian [Thumb] I like Mandrake and SuSe myself [Wink] Perl is still my favorite swiss army knife for programming. [/b] Wow.. A True Geek from the Glory Days(tm)! That's amazing. Even though you may disagree with me :p i really wish i would have seen it all from the perspective you had. Homebrew synths... excellent! Yes yes debian. I went from Solaris to being a slackware wh0re to being a debian user. I've got a couple of machines around here that boot into FreeBSD also, but i don't use them as much anymore. I've run a lot of different distros over the last couple of years in addition, but haven't tried SuSe yet. And i will agree that Perl fills a definite need. I don't mess with it enough for it to stick in my head, but i know what it can do, and i seriously wonder sometimes how UNIX got along without it. I mostly mess with C but i haven't typed a line of code in months, unfortunately :o ( I seemed to have missed out on that era from commandline--->gui. I'd have loved to see that all unfold like that. My entry to the Internet in '97 was after a 9 year hiatus from computing. I was quite into my 8-bit Commodore Plus/4 up until my early teens, when i discovered an electric guitar, and became incapable of putting it down for quite some time.