Jotown Posted January 13, 2003 Posted January 13, 2003 Sorry to shout at ya' I have been looking for some better drum loops/looping tools. I have checked out Stylus, but I think it's a bit too hip-hop/electronica for me. A couple of people have recomended Liquid Grooves, and Backbeat sample disks. What are you thoughts. Thanks in advance. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
ulven Posted January 14, 2003 Posted January 14, 2003 Hey Jotown! I´m not Craig but he does not seem to be here and I own the products you were asking about. I agree that the Stylus is more hip hop/dance than one might be comfortable with. I can happily recommend both Backbeat and Liquid grooves. Backbeat is more straight clean drumming than Liquid grooves. LG is more processed sound and wavedrum loops, but there are clean sounds as well. You might also check out their exellent "Retro funk", that has a more vintage feel. I guess you are familiar with groove control, if not check it out, life is easier with it. :D I´d say that Spectrasonics has an overall high quality on their stuff. I own a lot of their products and I´m happy with everyone of them. Kind regards, Ulven :cool: http://www.twendysplace.co.nz/smilies/buttong.gif
BP3 Posted January 14, 2003 Posted January 14, 2003 Agreed on the nature of Stylus, but it's really good for what it is. Atmosphere is also quite good. A bit slow on the load times though.
Anderton Posted January 14, 2003 Posted January 14, 2003 Stylus is more flexible than you might think, but it is definitely more for the dance/hip-hop crowd. I'm not sure exactly what you want, but Ilio's Stark Raving Beats is excellent for high-energy drums. They also have the "groove control" function. If you have the bucks, the Discrete Drums sample CDs are truly awesome - they're multitracked, with room mics and such, so you can really customize the sound. They're more rock-oriented, though. (Full disclosure: I did a hardcore/dance remix of their Series 1 samples called "Turbulent Filth Monsters," which they distribute.) There are two series out, the first one is harder, the second has percussion added in. I use their stuff a lot in my own work. As to Spectrasonics, I think pretty much anything Eric Persing does is awesome. If Spectrasonics has a CD in the genre you want, I don't think you'll go wrong. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton
Jotown Posted January 14, 2003 Author Posted January 14, 2003 Thanks for the imput. The particular project I am working on is hard to describe. I call it "Alternative/acoustic oriented soft rock. Think Dave Mathews, Sara Mclaughlin, Norah Jones, Tori Amos (Scarlets walk) kind of drum sounds. Not too hard, not too funky, just right. And some cool brush things would be hip. Any more advice would be appreciated. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Mark Zeger Posted January 14, 2003 Posted January 14, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b]Thanks for the imput. The particular project I am working on is hard to describe. I call it "Alternative/acoustic oriented soft rock. Think Dave Mathews, Sara Mclaughlin, Norah Jones, Tori Amos (Scarlets walk) kind of drum sounds. Not too hard, not too funky, just right. And some cool brush things would be hip. Any more advice would be appreciated.[/b][/quote]Sounds like Liquid Grooves is perfect. It's a favorite of mine. There are several great brush loops and many others with a soft rock feel. With all the loops, there are Mixes and Remixes, and Elements with separate components for each loop. I find the Elements to be the most useful. For example, you'll get separate tracks for a drum kit loop (but not separate hi-hat/snare/kick), a shaker loop, a conga/bongo loop and a Wavedrum loop that you can mix as you like. Many loops give you the choice between wet and dry Elements. The Wavedrum loops have a nice tabla-like vibe and can provide great texture to a mundane track. With some editing in your sequencer, you can alter the drum kit loop even though the hi-hat/snare/kick are on one track. The only thing sorely missing from Liquid Grooves are fills, so I have to create my own.
Jotown Posted January 14, 2003 Author Posted January 14, 2003 Thanks, Are there many one hits and cymbals from the kits used in the loops for making your own fills? Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Jotown Posted January 15, 2003 Author Posted January 15, 2003 Just bumping this past all of the addiction threads. :D Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Mark Zeger Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b]Thanks, Are there many one hits and cymbals from the kits used in the loops for making your own fills?[/b][/quote]You can trigger single hits from your keyboard, drum pad, etc., or edit the MIDI data file. "Groove Control" is Spectrasonics version of a ReCycle processed loop. The loops have 2 components: the sound data for your sampler, and MIDI note data for your sequencer. Reading their description is better than my explaination: http://www.ilio.com/groovecontrol/index.html See the "creative tips" link on the right for ways to edit loops, trigger single hits, create fills, etc.
mikegrijak Posted January 16, 2003 Posted January 16, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b]Thanks for the imput. The particular project I am working on is hard to describe. I call it "Alternative/acoustic oriented soft rock. Think Dave Mathews, Sara Mclaughlin, Norah Jones, Tori Amos (Scarlets walk) kind of drum sounds. Not too hard, not too funky, just right. And some cool brush things would be hip. Any more advice would be appreciated.[/b][/quote]Hey Jotown, is getting a real drummer and recording the real drum tracks an option for you? If so, I will be HAPPY to help you out no charge at all cause you be da man! :D Let me know if you want me to lay it down for ya! :thu: This way, no, wait, that way!
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