Jotown Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 No this is not a thread about the diminished E chord. It is about the Enron movie that was on last night. It wasn't a great, or even very good movie. But just to see the Enron story unfold chronologically, was just amazing. Where is the outrage!? Where is the press coverage? What is happening with these people, and this case? Why is the mainstream media not covering this harder? Whay aren't people making a bigger deal about the Bush connection? This is not old news. This is an ongoing story, and many people who have lost confidence in the integrtity of the stock market care about the outcome. Where's the beef? Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
GZsound Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 "Why aren't people making a bigger deal about the Bush connection". Get a clue, goofuss...the head of Enron was a Clinton golfing buddy. Are you honestly so stupid you think all this happened in the last 12 months? The company wasn't crooked before Bush became President? Liberal dogma, again.. Mark G. "A man may fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame others" -- John Burroughs "I consider ethics, as well as religion, as supplements to law in the government of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Jotown Posted January 8, 2003 Author Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]"Why aren't people making a bigger deal about the Bush connection". Get a clue, goofuss...the head of Enron was a Clinton golfing buddy. Are you honestly so stupid you think all this happened in the last 12 months? The company wasn't crooked before Bush became President? Liberal dogma, again..[/b][/quote]Well then Goofuss.....Bush is the current president, in case you missed that. He and Ken Lay were best friends, and more than a couple of Enron's alumni have high ranking positions in Mr. Bush's administration. That would make it relevant. Oh but I forgot, a [b]GOOFUSS like you [/b]probably would be honestly too stupid to understand that. And by the way, get yourself a clue. That would be Mr. Goofuss to you. :wave: Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Salyphus Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]Get a clue, goofuss...the head of Enron was a Clinton golfing buddy. Are you honestly so stupid you think all this happened in the last 12 months? The company wasn't crooked before Bush became President? Liberal dogma, again..[/b][/quote]If you have nothing to say better to say nothing.
Super 8 Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Zero: [b] [quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b][/b][/quote]If you have nothing to say better to say nothing.[/b][/quote]DITTO Sal and Jotown! Geeezzzz! Jotown! How much more bent on finding [i]'the BIG conspiracy'[/i] can you get!!!??? Don't you think it's just a little bit paranoid? I mean like 'Kenneth Star' obsessive! Man... Get a girlfriend or something! The sky isn't falling... I didn't even vote for Bush, and I still feel like defending him against you. Super 8 Hear my stuff here
Salyphus Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b]Where is the outrage!? Where is the press coverage? What is happening with these people, and this case? Why is the mainstream media not covering this harder? Whay aren't people making a bigger deal about the Bush connection?[/b][/quote]The gov. and the media are doing their best to distract public attention away from this issue (and succeeding, it seems). Reminds me of that Kurt Vonnegut Jr. story "Harrison Bergeron" where the general public are reduced to drooling idiots who stare at flashing images on a screen----that prediction pretty much came true. Kinda funny how, for example, back in the summer there were suddenly all these "really important" stories about child abductions plastered all over the news outlets. Of course these types of crimes, though tragic, happen all the time and have no direct effect on most of our lives--but they sure got attention when there wasn't anything more "useful" for the headlines. Then that sniper thing happened and they didn't have to worry about kidnappings any more, then the elections, Iraq, etc. --- [i]Hey Ken Lay, what the fuck you got to say? Cash in your 'special favors' as the public eye wavers, eh? Distraction attraction, social action liquefaction. Is any transaction worth a military action? (or a nuclear reaction...)[/i] © 2002 Sal Orlando, The Pyramid is Crumbling
Chip McDonald Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Super 8: [b]Geeezzzz! Jotown! How much more bent on finding [i]'the BIG conspiracy'[/i] can you get!!!??? Don't you think it's just a little bit paranoid? [/b][/quote]What's paranoid about knowing that Bush was friends with Lay, and that Enron people are in the admin....? Knowing that the administration dragged their feet on the issue, that doesn't bother you one bit? Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
Salyphus Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Super 8: [b] Geeezzzz! Jotown! How much more bent on finding [i]'the BIG conspiracy'[/i] can you get!!!??? Don't you think it's just a little bit paranoid? I mean like 'Kenneth Star' obsessive! Man... Get a girlfriend or something! The sky isn't falling... I didn't even vote for Bush, and I still feel like defending him against you.[/b][/quote]Geez, listen to what you are saying here man! A bit defensive perhaps? What did Jotown say exactly that you disagree with so violently or think is so obsessive? How about laying aside the personal attacks and making some kind of point, preferably backed up by relevant facts...?
Super 8 Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Zero: [b][QUOTE]Geez, listen to what you are saying here man! A bit defensive perhaps? What did Jotown say exactly that you disagree with so violently or think is so obsessive? How about laying aside the personal attacks and making some kind of point, preferably backed up by relevant facts...?[/b][/quote]You're right, I shouldn't have launched off like that -I take it back. Sorry Jotown. It's late, I'm tired, I don't know why I'm still up. I DO think people jump to quickly to hit the panic button. I guess that is what I was trying to say, but in doing so, [i]I jumped up and hit the paninc button[/i]. Sorry again. You guys on the board seriously ROCK! Maybe that's why I'm up too damn late flipping through the threads. This is the coolest place on the 'Net. Anyway, please forgive a tired dumb-ass for his [i]tired dumb-ass-ness[/i], and I'll see Ya-All tomorrow with a renewed spirit and fresh attitude -ready to take on all of the world's problems. :wave: Later, Super 8 Hear my stuff here
Jotown Posted January 8, 2003 Author Posted January 8, 2003 I just find it odd that not more is being written or reported on it. And for the record to me coservative zealot freinds. I would like them to go after every politician that recieved Enron money. Democrat, republican, independant.. makes no difference. Cheny still hasn't released the record about his Enron energy meetings. The manipulating of the energy market that Enron did in California, that led to rolling blackouts... All of this stuff is relevant. Again I say; where is the outrage? Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Salyphus Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 What do you think of my assessment Jotown? I think it can be summed up as: [b]the guilty parties are the same ones who are in charge, the media is a willing accomplice, and the general public are asleep[/b].
Mats Olsson. Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Hmmmmmm........ [pouring another single malt, Ardbeg10] Mind if I sit down? I'd like to watch. /Mats http://www.lexam.net/peter/carnut/man.gif What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Later!
Bunny Knutson Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Jotown: [b]... Cheny still hasn't released the record about his Enron energy meetings. The manipulating of the energy market that Enron did in California, that led to rolling blackouts... All of this stuff is relevant. Again I say; where is the outrage?[/b][/quote]Well, [b]I[/b] am OUTRAGED!!! To this day, people still aren't aware that the "power crisis" in California was mostly caused by manipulation of the market by power-brokers, not by a lack of electricity. Yes, we screwed up as a state when we initiated deregulation, but those rolling blackouts could have been avoided nonetheless. If you want to discuss conspiracy theories, I think that the Bush administration allowed the California power crisis to occur because the California electoral college vote went to Gore in the 2000 presidential election. Talk about holding a grudge! :mad: https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/
joegerardi Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Zero: [b]What do you think of my assessment Jotown? I think it can be summed up as: [b]the guilty parties are the same ones who are in charge, the media is a willing accomplice, and the general public are asleep[/b].[/b][/quote]That doesn't make sense. The liberal-biased media would never do anything to protect Bush. They'd do everything possible to crucify him. As I recall, the media [i]did[/i] try to connect Bush. They came up with a big fat squat. Maybe that's why they buried it: There was campaign contributions made by Enron to the DNC, and they could do nothing to advance the cause for the libs. ..Joe Setup: Korg Kronos 61, Roland XV-88, Korg Triton-Rack, Motif-Rack, Korg N1r, Alesis QSR, Roland M-GS64 Yamaha KX-88, KX76, Roland Super-JX, E-Mu Longboard 61, Kawai K1II, Kawai K4.
Salyphus Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Let's just drop the 'liberal media' smokescreen, please. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
Bunny Knutson Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 No, it's true, Sal. Every single member of the media is a registered Democrat. :rolleyes: https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/
Jotown Posted January 8, 2003 Author Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Zero: [b]What do you think of my assessment Jotown? I think it can be summed up as: [b]the guilty parties are the same ones who are in charge, the media is a willing accomplice, and the general public are asleep[/b].[/b][/quote]I completely agree with that. [quote]Originally posted by Dbunny:[QB]Well, I am OUTRAGED!!! To this day, people still aren't aware that the "power crisis" in California was mostly caused by manipulation of the market by power-brokers, not by a lack of electricity. [/quote]Thank you for you sincere burst of outrage :thu: [quote]Originally posted by Sal Zero: What do you think of my assessment Jotown? I think it can be summed up as: the guilty parties are the same ones who are in charge, the media is a willing accomplice, and the general public are asleep. -------------------------------------------------- joegerardi said: That doesn't make sense. The liberal-biased media would never do anything to protect Bush. They'd do everything possible to crucify him.[/quote]That the media is liberal is a myth. The so-called "major Media", is owned by a handful of multi-national corporations that are anything but liberal. The only truly liberal media on radio or television might be found on PBS, but certainly not on the networks, and that includes CNN, FOX etc....If you can't see that the major media is covering Dubya's ass, or at the very least allowing him to hide behind his war on terrorism, you just aren't paying attention. Sorry to burst your bubble. :p Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Salyphus Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 This isn't a right vs. left or repub vs. dem thing. This is Big Money vs. 'the rest of us'. And Big Money has both parties in their pocket, AND owns the media. Let's not degenerate into that distraction. This is one of the main reasons people are asleep. Sure, Clinton was in their pocket too. That doesn't help us now, Bush is the prez and he's also in their pocket, and he is the one we have to deal with right now. As was said above, I'd be happy to see all Dems, Repubs, etc. who are involved go to jail along with the 'executives' and anyone else resposible. But my point is it won't happen because they are the people in charge, and the public would rather argue about which 'team' is better, etc. :mad:
GZsound Posted January 9, 2003 Posted January 9, 2003 Funny, here I sit watching a program about the Enron guys and the Global Crossing guys and how many millions of dollars they gave to the Clinton administration yet still folks try to tie them to Bush. I have news for everybody..they were crooks and cheats regardless of who they gave money to. They simply grease the wheels. Now about Cheney having "secret" meetings with the power companies. What a stupid thing to do!! If I was going to look into legislation and regulations that affected the music industry I sure as hell wouldn't meet with anybody in music....no. Plumbers, garbagemen, florists..that's who I would meet with. Worried about getting most of our oil from the middle east? Whatever you do, don't have a meeting with oil guys..the liberals will accuse you of sleeping with them. Mark G. "A man may fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame others" -- John Burroughs "I consider ethics, as well as religion, as supplements to law in the government of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Dogfur Posted January 9, 2003 Posted January 9, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Mats_Olsson: [b]Hmmmmmm........ [pouring another single malt, Ardbeg10] Mind if I sit down? I'd like to watch. /Mats[/b][/quote]Make mine a double...This ain't gonna be pretty... ( Dogfur sits for a round with Mats, and after light-heartedly clinking glasses - knocks it back and with a bit of drool and light stagger gets up to go make a post...) Woof!
Jotown Posted January 9, 2003 Author Posted January 9, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Sal Zero: [b]This isn't a right vs. left or repub vs. dem thing. This is Big Money vs. 'the rest of us'. And Big Money has both parties in their pocket, AND owns the media. Let's not degenerate into that distraction. This is one of the main reasons people are asleep. Sure, Clinton was in their pocket too. That doesn't help us now, Bush is the prez and he's also in their pocket, and he is the one we have to deal with right now. As was said above, I'd be happy to see all Dems, Repubs, etc. who are involved go to jail along with the 'executives' and anyone else resposible. But my point is it won't happen because they are the people in charge, and the public would rather argue about which 'team' is better, etc. :mad: [/b][/quote]You are so right my friend. gzsound wrote: [quote]Now about Cheney having "secret" meetings with the power companies. What a stupid thing to do!! [/quote]With all due respect gzsound,(or is it DOOFUSS/)The problem isn't that he had the meetings, it is that he will not disclose who was in attendance, or what was discussed. In light of the California energy crisis of 2001, and the Enron fiasco, that information is pertinent. Also at least three people on this thread have said "go get Clinton too!", but I guess you missed that. One more thing. In case this got by you; Clinton is not the president anymore, Bush is. You can't blame Clinton for Dubyah's mistakes. Get over it. :D Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
GZsound Posted January 9, 2003 Posted January 9, 2003 Feel free to call me Doofuss..although I prefer Spot or Shithead.. Maybe we can change your name to Airball.. The point I was trying to make is this: Any government official involved in making regulations or legislation should have the right to meet with "insiders" without having to turn transcripts and guest lists over to the media. If the government is involved in trying to stop drug trafficing from Columbia, meetings with drug dealers, undercover narcs, etc. would be beneficial. Should the government officials release the transcripts of the meetings and the names involved to the media? What a dumb idea. During Senate hearings regarding censorship of song lyrics, Tipper Gore had many meetings with folks in the music industry..except for Zappa. I would love to know who was feeding her insider crap, but who cares? Why is everything a conspiracy? The idea that everything that goes wrong is some kind of a government conspiracy gets tedious. The energy crisis in California was caused by the California leadership. But don't blame the democratic party of California or Gray Davis..blame Mr. Cheney. I simply get tired of one sided anti-government, anti-American rhetoric regardless of who is the target. Scores of messages about what a terrible person Trent Lott is but nothing about Patty Murray the liberal Bin Laden supporter. However, I have and will fight for your right to hate our country, our government and our way of life. I'm sure you would do the same for me. Mark G. "A man may fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame others" -- John Burroughs "I consider ethics, as well as religion, as supplements to law in the government of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
StoneinaPond Posted January 9, 2003 Posted January 9, 2003 [quote] Any government official involved in making regulations or legislation should have the right to meet with "insiders" without having to turn transcripts and guest lists over to the media. [/quote]Why? Yorik Stone In A Pond "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."
Jotown Posted January 9, 2003 Author Posted January 9, 2003 Hey Mark G. You called me a doofuss first. :mad: But I do agree with you about Bush and Cheney's energy buddies being alot like Colombian drug dealers. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Bunny Knutson Posted January 10, 2003 Posted January 10, 2003 From Sal's link: [i]"[b]Ken Lay[/b] played golf with [b]Bill Clinton.[/b] Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, [b]Enron[/b] gave [b]$100,000[/b] to the [b]Democratic party.[/b]"[/i] There ya go, GZsound. I don't give a flying GOOFUSS about Clinton or the Democrats, if that's what you [i]really[/i] want to focus on. Clinton committed some highly questionable acts. For all I know, he's a flat out criminal. All that said, Bill Clinton is not the POTUS right now. He's already been through his impeachment procedure. Let us now focus on the current administration. This isn't a partisan issue. Can we get past that, please? Thank you. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/
Dan South Posted January 10, 2003 Posted January 10, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]"Why aren't people making a bigger deal about the Bush connection". Get a clue, goofuss...the head of Enron was a Clinton golfing buddy. Are you honestly so stupid you think all this happened in the last 12 months? The company wasn't crooked before Bush became President? Liberal dogma, again..[/b][/quote]Clinton didn't allow Ken Lay to write his energy policy. Bush and Cheney did. This has nothing to do with Republicans and Democrats, liberals, conservatives, moderates, radicals, reactionaries, or anarchists. It has to do with a particular administration giving free rein to a particular businessman to write the rules regarding policy directives in his own industry. If you don't like it, please feel free to write Mssrs. Cheney and Bush a nasty letter. Nothing is going to improve in this country until we stop spewing partisan venom toward one another. "United we stand," or "Divide and conquer." You can't have it both ways. The Black Knight always triumphs!
Super 8 Posted January 10, 2003 Posted January 10, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]Feel free to call me Doofuss..although I prefer Spot or Shithead.. Maybe we can change your name to Airball...[/b][/quote]NO! No more multiple aliases! I don't know who anybody is anymore... [quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]The idea that everything that goes wrong is some kind of a government conspiracy gets tedious.[/b][/quote]I can agree with that. That's not to say that there are never government conspiracies, but if people are always hitting the consiracy button how are we to know which ones are real and which ones not? I refuse to buy into this 'liberal vs conservative' thing. Every conservative is probably liberal about something, and every liberal is probably conservative about something. One side isn't all bad or all good. I wish people would be more objective in their views. The moment someone referes to our President as 'shrub' or 'dubya', they lose credibility with me because I know that this person is going to hate him no matter what he does. There's no way to win I want my information and discussion/debates to come from unbiased sources... Super 8 Hear my stuff here
Salyphus Posted January 10, 2003 Posted January 10, 2003 Congratulations on a content-free post, Super8. Maybe you should be a politician :eek: [quote] I want my.... discussion/debates to come from unbiased sources... [/quote]So basically you don't want to have discussions or debates, since they are by definition about the exchange of opinions? Well, that explains everything I suppose. Why not just stay out of discussions/debates in the first place then? Or do you expect to have it both ways: you want to give your own 'biased' opinions but you don't want to have to consider anyone elses'? I'd thank you for proving one of my earlier points, but I didn't really need the help...
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