Kevin F Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Has anyone else seen this crap about driving an SUV? First it was the 'What would Jesus Drive?' crap and now there are ads stating that if you drive an SUV you are supporting terrorist. It is bad enough we get a bunch of shit about being musicians but now we have to hear how wrong we are for driving a big SUV. I am sorry I can't fit my guitar rig..and the rest of the bands crap, in a Yugo. I drive a GMC suburban, and it is the 'Band' vehicle. It would be nice if it got better gas mileage, but what is worse, driving one vehicle that gets bad gas milage or 5 that get ok mileage? You can't do anything these days without offending someone.
dirtydog Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Haven't you heard? Breathing air supports terrorism! :eek: [quote]You can't do anything these days without offending someone.[/quote]I am offended that you would say that. :bor: :thu:
Dogfur Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 The "SUV" terrorist connotation is not directed at you a guy who needs transport hardware & bodies from place to place, but the knuckle headed single occupant flat-lander who drives huge vehicles without comprehension of the toll of his/her wasteful fossil fuel use. I think it started as a backhanded response to the "Drug Use" supports terrorism ads that started around the super bowl last year. Woof!
Deathtoallwhoopposeme Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 FUKEM...I'll drive whatever the hell I want.....Not my fault there is a corporate conspiracy to subdue alternative non-poluting technologies that could make my SUV virtually polution free......THEY are the assholes supporting terrorism, as well as all the right wing SHEEP who those people support...Hypoctrites as always....And clueless to boot, about it all... Sean Michael Mormelo www.seanmmormelo.com
Super 8 Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Geeezzz! This is stupid! Next we'll be hearing that the World Trade Center has to take part of the blame for 9/11 by being there! Super 8 Hear my stuff here
DeluxeReverb Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Thank Gaia I've got the obviously left-wing sheep Sean Michael Morello to set me straight about "corporate conspiracies", "alternative technologies", exactly who the "terrorist-supporting assholes" are, as well as who is a "hypocrite" and who is "clueless about it all". How curious to be so full of suspicion, hate and rage, yet so enlightened. How DOES he do it?
WFTurner Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 baahhh, baahhh, baahhh Lambchops my name. William F. Turner Songwriter turnersongs Sometimes the truth is rude... tough shit... get used to it.
Super 8 Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by DeluxeReverb: [b]Thank Gaia I've got the obviously left-wing sheep Sean Michael Morello to set me straight about "corporate conspiracies", "alternative technologies", How curious to be so full of suspicion, hate and rage, yet so enlightened. How DOES he do it?[/b][/quote]OH, you just like him because he has three names! :rolleyes: Super 8 Hear my stuff here
G. Ratte Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Cripes. Nobody can say anything without you guys clutching onto your little left/right labels for dear life. "My whole polarized worldview might be getting attacked! Circle the wagons! Defend the brotherhood!" THAT's the herd instinct in full effect. Anyhoo- SUVs are use lots of gas relative to other transportation options to go from point A to point B, and we all know there's not much sport-utility going on in most of them. Which means the Saudi Arabia royal family is getting more money than they have to. Who are a terrorist-cheerleading and booster organization by most accounts. Not to mention all the other places in the area choc-full of oil who are happy to sell it to us but hate our Western infidel guts and want to see them spilled out in the sand. Which is why people say, "If you drive an SUV, you're supporting terrorism." G. Ratte' http://www.cultdeadcow.com
aliengroover Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 The thread title is definitely one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. I actually laughed when I saw the first mention of it on the tube. If that's the case, everybody that drives a car to work everyday supports terrorism. I mean, just how many people really carpool. Everytime you eat, too...'cause a big, gas-guzzling truck has to bring your food to the market. And please, why DOES every opinion have to be labeled "left/right/north/south/conservative/Republican/Democrat/Wig"? That is absolutely so tired. Why can't an opinion be an opinion? Everything does NOT have to have a line drawn in the stand as to how you should think, speak, or react. Life is simply life. Peace If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking 'til you do suck seed!
Super 8 Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by gratte: [b]Which is why people say, "If you drive an SUV, you're supporting terrorism."[/b][/quote]All cars use gas. If people are going throw guilt trips on the SUV owners for having SUV's then maybe those people can start car-pooling to save gas or biking or walking, which does away with the problem alltogether. I personally do not drive an SUV, but I make up for it by mailing a check to the Taliban every week. BinLauden even sent me a christmas card -how many SUV owners can say that! :D Super 8 Hear my stuff here
Salyphus Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Paying taxes is supporting terrorism! ([b]everyone[/b] should be able to agree on that one ;) :D :p )
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by aliengroover: [b]The thread title is definitely one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. I actually laughed when I saw the first mention of it on the tube. If that's the case, everybody that drives a car to work everyday supports terrorism. I mean, just how many people really carpool. Everytime you eat, too...'cause a big, gas-guzzling truck has to bring your food to the market. And please, why DOES every opinion have to be labeled "left/right/north/south/conservative/Republican/Democrat/Wig"? That is absolutely so tired. Why can't an opinion be an opinion? Everything does NOT have to have a line drawn in the stand as to how you should think, speak, or react. Life is simply life. Peace[/b][/quote]Word. Except I drive a Honda, so it's ok for me to drive.
surfmonkey Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 WASTEFULL USE OF GAS=IMPORT MORE OIL= MORE MONEY TO COUNTRIES THAT FUND TERRORISM I don't know about you guys, but I just don't see the connection. :rolleyes: Hey, I'm not saying your a bad person for driving an SUV. And some people really need them. But most people don't. It's time to wake up, and fix our over dependance on oil. I have no homepage.
Chip McDonald Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 SUV driver = terrorist supporter North Korea = "diplomatic problem" I suspect there will be a slight nudge towards energy conservation shortly due to fears of repercussions of the possible Iraq war. In fact, I think we'll see an amazingly leftist turnabout in the administration regarding it combined with a new push for Detroit to come up with energy conserving cars, and the inevitable Alaska drilling push... Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
coxnvox Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 How can anyone be sure which countries are funding terrorists? And if you do know which ones are, please pass it on to George W., because he's been clear that countries that fund terrorist activities will be dealt with swiftly... Anyway, who's to say SUV owners use more gas? If I get half the gas mileage in my SUV that you get in your car, but you drive more than twice as much as me for whatever reason, then now you're the terrorist-funder, eh? It's a really silly argument. Later, kc
Deathtoallwhoopposeme Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by DeluxeReverb: [b]Thank Gaia I've got the obviously left-wing sheep Sean Michael Morello to set me straight about "corporate conspiracies", "alternative technologies", exactly who the "terrorist-supporting assholes" are, as well as who is a "hypocrite" and who is "clueless about it all". How curious to be so full of suspicion, hate and rage, yet so enlightened. How DOES he do it?[/b][/quote]It's Called Being intelligent, Informed, Educated and well read...... :) Sean Michael Mormelo www.seanmmormelo.com
mr. rob Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 http://www.spies.com/~gus/osama/ I think this website poignantly illustrates just the type of rhetoric being discussed here. SUV drivers for Osama Bin Laden even has their own bumpersticker: "Powered by Osama". But, I can't say this offends me. I think it would be kind of funny if people started puting these bumper stickers on gas guzzlers. And I think the people who are offended by this should lighten up.
Jotown Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Dogfur: [b]I think it started as a backhanded response to the "Drug Use" supports terrorism ads that started around the super bowl last year.[/b][/quote]Exactly. More terrorist's are funded by oil than ever were by drugs. Yet baby Bush did not declare a war on oil, only a war over oil. [quote]WASTEFULL USE OF GAS=IMPORT MORE OIL= MORE MONEY TO COUNTRIES THAT FUND TERRORISM I don't know about you guys, but I just don't see the connection. Hey, I'm not saying your a bad person for driving an SUV. And some people really need them. But most people don't. It's time to wake up, and fix our over dependance on oil. [/quote]That's what it's all about. That we are not working overtime to wean ourselves off of oil is shameful. President Carter tried to steer us in that direction, but the American public would have none of it. [quote]How can anyone be sure which countries are funding terrorists? And if you do know which ones are, please pass it on to George W., because he's been clear that countries that fund terrorist activities will be dealt with swiftly... [/quote]Puhleaseeeeeee......Dubyah knows which countries are funding, and supporting terrorism. That is such a smoke screen. Saudi Arabia does more to aid terrorists than Iraq is even capable of, but they are his daddies buddies, so we won't be invading them anytime soon. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Philter Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 When you're thinking about what car to buy, it seems like considering the gas mileage is a responsible thing to do. If you need a big vehicle for work, so be it, but no one needs a Ford F150 to commute to the office or go grocery shopping. I believe that people who actually need the space are the exception, not the rule. I just saw Peter Jennings do a piece on midwest moms driving huge trucks to soccer practice with groceries in back. It's stupid. My car gets almost 3 times the mileage of an SUV. That's obscene. Personally I think that we should raise the federal taxes on gasoline to somewhere between where they are here and where they are in Europe. That would be the single best thing that the government could do to encourage efficient use of oil and alternate fuel sources. The tax dollars would go far towards other stuff- maybe healthcare, or education... SUV's are wasteful and typically American, along with obesity and credit debt, which are other notable American traits these days. Sad but unarguably true. ---------------------------- Phil Mann http://www.wideblacksky.com
Chris Johnson Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Hey, we're not talking about truck drivers here. Semi rigs use lots of diesel fuel etc. but they carry heavy payloads, have lots of gears to keep the engine as efficient as possible, and trained drivers working hard to maximize this efficiency. The point is not trucks or people with genuine need to do haulage, the point is stupid-ass SUVs and the stupid-ass attitude of 'duuuuhhhh, I'm gonna use lots and lots of gas to show I can, if them Ay-rabs gimme any trouble we'll just kill them all and take their oil'. That sort of thing does indeed indirectly support terrorism by funneling lots of money to the people associated with terrorism, and why even indirectly support terrorism? Bush and Company aren't gonna do squat to help the problem, either- they are OIL BARONS, remember? They WANT you to buy all kinds of SUVs and consume outta-control. In fact even without the oil barondom, that crowd would still want you to consume outta-control because they're basically religious ubercapitalists and cannot comprehend or forgive the concept of economizing, budgeting, saving- you're supposed to consumeconsumeconsume until you die, and for what? Dunno. Further cancerous growth of Wal-Mart or something. Don't look at me- I don't have a car, and I get around on foot or on a bike. However, the terrorists will be quite happy to still kill me with the money they got from YOU. I'm real tired of the whole capitalist treadmill lets-exploit-everything-as-hard-as-possible nonsense. Free trade and that. Having lots of tariffs and protectionism seems to keep things more peaceful. People might be more frugal if our government wasn't prepared to destroy entire countries to appease its thirst for hydrocarbons and enable American consumers to continue sucking them down totally unthinkingly.
KHAN Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Eventually, we'll use up all the oil. Then we can finally have world peace. :freak: So Many Drummers. So Little Time...
Philter Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 quote:Originally posted by KHAN: Eventually, we'll use up all the oil. Then we can finally have world peace. :cry: ---------------------------- Phil Mann http://www.wideblacksky.com
Chip McDonald Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by coxnvox@aol.com: [b]How can anyone be sure which countries are funding terrorists? [/b][/quote]Because we know who makes what and when we find it, or catch it in transit like we did last month when the Navy interdicted a North Korean ship filled with missiles - "we know". [b] And if you do know which ones are, please pass it on to George W., because he's been clear that countries that fund terrorist activities will be dealt with swiftly...[/b] Ha, what a joke. He's got a job on his hands then, because that means just about every country on the planet including our good friends the Israelis. Too much money is being made in the weapons industry, and there's practically no accountability. North Korea has too big of an army, too friendly with China, and would cause repercussions of "Imperialism". China is going to be the world's economic superpower here shortly, we can't have a war with them on the ground OR through trade. Not gunna do it, wouldn't be prudent. But he's not going to tell you that; Jack Nicholson had a saying in a movie once.... Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
Chip McDonald Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Philter: [b]Personally I think that we should raise the federal taxes on gasoline to somewhere between where they are here and where they are in Europe. [/b][/quote]Guess what? The government gives a $32,000 tax break to SUV owners if their SUV weighs more than 6,000 lbs. - Ford Expedition, Chevy Suburban, Toyota Outback, a number of others fit that category. Taxes on gas - no. Tax *breaks* for people who buy energy efficient vehicles - yes. Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
Super 8 Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Philter: [b] quote:Originally posted by KHAN: Eventually, we'll use up all the oil. Then we can finally have world peace. :cry: [/b][/quote]Never count your chickens before they hatch. If we got rid of all of the SUV's tomorrow we'd still be funding terrorism -there's no way around that. Also, I don't buy that crap about oil barons being for inefficient use of gasoline. That's a baseless assumption. They're still making their money. There are more and more drivers on the roads every year. The greater the demand, the more they have to supply. The more they have to supply, the sooner they start tapping out their resources and have to go to the trouble and expense of finding and securing more. Just because these people are rich doesn't mean their stupid or necessarily greedy. Super 8 Hear my stuff here
Chip McDonald Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by coxnvox@aol.com: [b]How can anyone be sure which countries are funding terrorists? [/b][/quote]Actually, the State Department has leveled over 123 violations of the Arms Export Control Act and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations against Hughes and Boeing - U.S. firms. Loral Space and Communications paid out $14 million after being outed for providing "sensitive material" with the Chinese after the 1996 satellite launch mishap. That's just the tip of it - U.S. firms and other "allies" are making a ton of money, they're not giving that up just for the "War on Terrorism". Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
coxnvox Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 Let's face it, then. The terrorists already have the funding to do us tremendous harm. Thinking we can make any kind of a dent in their funding by switching from an SUV to a smaller car seems a little naive to me. Seems a better option to me is to continue to track down the bastards and kill 'em before they do us any more harm. I especially like those little remote controlled planes that can take out a van full of 'em at a time... Peace to all... kc
Mats Olsson. Posted January 8, 2003 Posted January 8, 2003 People worry about their cars, what about the enviroment? The air that we breathe and the water that we need to survive. Just as the supply of oil is not an endless reserve, there's no unlimited supply of fresh water. When we have used up all oil there will probably be some other source of energy but if we run out of fresh water most life on the planet will die. Cars that consume more gasoline or diesel pollute more. Manufacturing a large car pollutes more than a smaller. This is NOT an opinion, it is the plain uncolored truth. Another thing to consider, the gas don't get to a vehicle without someone shipping it from the oil field to the refinery to the gas station. Less gas consumption = less oil to transport & refine = less air pollution, and let's not forget water pollution for wich oil tankers is highly responsible. It will always be consumption that dictates how much gas & diesel they will produce. Better mileage and car pools DO make a difference, not only in your wallet. Why do I care? Well, I don't even live in USA, but I do breathe the same air and drink the same water. Irresponsible use of oil/gas is enviromental terrorism that affects the entire planet. /Mats http://www.lexam.net/peter/carnut/man.gif What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Later!
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