Wewus432 Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 You people are incorrigible. How's your weather?
The Bear Jew Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Erm.... Wewus... Don't go there, girlfriend. We both know ol' Chuck D is an extremist. He makes these kinds of statements to stir people up. Rapping and singing are both really difficult to do well. Try to do either, and an inexperienced person will embarrass themselves quickly. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu
Alndln Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 They(rappers) can cheat on me on me all they want and fool me every time because I definitley don't know 90% of what their saying.I singer with no conviction/timing cannot get away with fooling me. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
BP3 Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 My weakness at the art of wrapping is always exposed during the holidays. Mr. D is right.
Botch. Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Time to reintroduce the Chuck Mangione principle: a flugelhorn is much more difficult to play than a trumpet, but if it sounds like shit even if its played perfectly, what's the point? Flame suit on! :p I actually enjoy chuck D's opinions when I read any interviews he does, but its hard to take someone seriously who has four grown men with plastic machine guns running around on stage :rolleyes: Botch "Eccentric language often is symptomatic of peculiar thinking" - George Will www.puddlestone.net
Alndln Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Botch.: [b]four grown men with plastic machine guns running around on stage :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]That takes talent!! :D "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows"
Roto Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 [img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:m3WuXNKaTB0C:www.homegame.org/merch/HGflava.jpg[/img] Yeah boyeeeeee! Now [i]that's[/i] talent!
Sylver Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Rap is an underappriciated art form, espcially with non-rock musicians.. It's really difficult to do well. Good rap flows from the rappers tongues, and is constantly dynamic. Harder than singing? No, I don't think so. It's hard in a completely different way. You can't just hum over a part if you forget a word. Especially if that word is in a critical spot. Sure you don't have to concentrate on rhythm quite so much, but keeping melody and rhythm together is a challange. Add to the fact that most rappers don't play an instrument, while many singers do and can play at the same time as they sing. I really don't know what to put here.
meccajay Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Singing well requires more skill. Rapping well requires more effort. As a former drummer Ive been in several bands where the singer forgot the whole 2nd verse and "vamped" the lyrics(scatting the melody or repeating the same verse over and over), and the audience never knew the difference. Ive seen rappers forget lyrics onstage and get booed if they stumbled more than once. As for Chuck D well, he's a legend who just happens to be past his prime. TROLL . . . ish.
Sylver Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Hank The Cave Peanut: [b]... good diction ... [/b][/quote]What rap and/or rock have you been listening to? No one has good diction, otherwise they would sound like lounge lizards. Most singers use appropriate diction. I really don't know what to put here.
strat0124 Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 I respect Chuck, but I do have to come to my own conclusions about rap in general. One thing I've noticed is the juvenile rhyming styles. Theres not much that I would call poetic, in the classical sense. Having said that, lyrics on the radio aren't very removed from that either...in any genre. Country is the worst, at its sappy best. Not that I'm looking for Hemmingway in a lyrical statement, but when I hear folks elevating some artists as "genius" and all I hear is something like "I got my mind on my money and my hand on my nine....", it may be real, truth, and socially revealing, but genius it ain't. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in
nhcomp45aol.com Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Rap is an art I can admit that and it may be difficult to do just like building a bridge is but that doesn't make it music.
Tedster Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Hearing a "singer" who is off key all the time is really sad. Hearing a "rapper" with no rhythm is perhaps even sadder. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine"
Jotown Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Must be a slown news day. I do both and they both have challenges, but it's really apples and oranges. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great"
Wewus432 Posted January 2, 2003 Author Posted January 2, 2003 That might be what he meant Hank, but if did, he didn't say it very clearly. If you like I could change the title of the thread to "Bite Me, Chuck D."
The Bear Jew Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Either way, I REALLY don't wanna see another "Hip-hop-isn't-music-no-you're-a-racist-scumbag-no-you're-a-bleeding-heart-liberal-asswipe-shut-up-you're-funny-lookin'" thread start here. They're so stupid. And you're funny-lookin'. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu
The Bear Jew Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Hmmm... How 'bout a "someone-send-me-some-new-casters-for-my-amp-'cause-mine-just-snapped-and-I'm-broke" thread? \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu
Wewus432 Posted January 2, 2003 Author Posted January 2, 2003 Idiot genius, there is a difference. I wasn't being deliberately misleading, nor was I saying that all rap is bad. I think his original statement is misleading. Chuck D. said you can't cheat on rap but you can cheat on singing. You can cheat like hell on rap, sheeot. Ok, that's all the back pedaling I'm gonna do, it's time for everyone to bite me. (see I'm trying to say it, fresh and unusual ways)
Cowbell Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Rapping- the hobby one does when that person is not capable of playing a real instrument.
The Bear Jew Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 [quote] I think his original statement is misleading. Chuck D. said you can cheat on rap but you can't cheat on singing. You can cheat like hell on rap, sheeot. [/quote]Um, don't you mean you CAN'T cheat in rap, but you CAN cheat in singing? IMO, you can "cheat" in both, if you're smart. I've seen SO many singers simply go "yeah yeah," let the audience sing for them or scream when they were stuck. By the same token, I've seen rappers fall into the ol' "Yes, yes ya'll," or "Uh, uh" thing when they get stuck. if the performer is good, they can pull these things off without a hitch, and nobody is the wiser. Either way... Please.... no more rap discussions. They only lead to bad things. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu
Wewus432 Posted January 2, 2003 Author Posted January 2, 2003 Yeth thir, that is what I meant. You're right about this subject matter, could go way South. I think I'll try to close it down.
ernest828 Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Rap definitely takes some talent because some are excellent at it and others are shit. Same goes for singing. I think Chuck D is comparing apples to oranges and the comparison can not be made. Both rap artists and singers have demanding jobs. To do both well requires the some of the same skills and some very different ones. Listen, Whitney houston can`t rap and Eminem can`t sing but they both do what they do very well. EJB
Brakka Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by ernest828@aol.com: [b]Listen, Whitney houston can`t rap and Eminem can`t sing but they both do what they do very well. [/b][/quote]They both do drugs. :eek:
Rog Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Worst ... thread ... ever. "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards.
The Bear Jew Posted January 2, 2003 Posted January 2, 2003 Nothin to see here, folks. Move it along. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu
Duhduh Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 The Wewus might not be a genius, but he very well might be an [i]evil[/i]-genius! "Meat is the only thing you need beside beer! Big hunks of meat and BEER!!...Lots of freakin' BEER." "Hey, I'm not Jesus Christ, I can't turn water into wine. The best I can do is turn beer into urine." Zakk Wylde http://www.hepcnet.net/bbssmilies/super.gif http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15_1_109.gif
patrick_dont_fret Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 [quote] Originally spoken by Sylver: [b]You can't just hum over a part if you forget a word. Especially if that word is in a critical spot.[/b] [/quote]Yeah, you just say the "f" word over and over again, and no one notices the difference.
Chip McDonald Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 Chuck D makes me want to kill white people. Of course, I *am* white people, so that could be a problem. I suppose it would probably be just as difficult for Elton John to pull off "911 is a Joke" as it would be for Chuck D to pull off "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me". Not that I would want to witness either trying. Hmm. On the other hand, Luther Vandross could probably do both, but Chuck probably couldn't sing "Can't Get Enough of Your Love". Although that might be funny. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien
The Bear Jew Posted January 3, 2003 Posted January 3, 2003 How bout the weather lately? Crazy, huh? \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu
Wewus432 Posted January 3, 2003 Author Posted January 3, 2003 One of the great things about North Carolina is the Winter weather. It never stays cold for much more than 2 weeks at a time, then it'll be climbing into the high 50's or 60's, but of course the summer's can be rather sweltering.
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