The Apocolypse is upon us...

[thisDude]

Yes, we all know we're going to war next month, but this seals it. [url=http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/27/human.cloning/index.html]First Human Baby Cloned[/url] Her name is Eve.

[Dan South]

[quote]Originally posted by thisDude: [b]Yes, we all know we're going to war next month, but this seals it. [url=http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/27/human.cloning/index.html]First Human Baby Cloned[/url] Her name is Eve.[/b][/quote]I heard that experts are skeptical, because the company's president claims that space aliens taught him how to clone people. If it's on the level, it's probably not the first attempt. I'm willing to bet that the Chinese, Russian, or perhaps even the American government have taken (secret) strides in this area. Cloning is inevitable. Get used to it.

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by Dan South: [b]Cloning is inevitable. Get used to it.[/b][/quote]I resent this implication, and so does that guy who looks exactly like me. :D - Jeff

[Sylver]

My only problem with human cloning is that there is really not enough information on the long term viability of the clones. I've heard that Dolly the sheep has some health concerns, and may be aging prematurely. It would be a shame to have a few hundred or thousand kids born, then have to tell them, "Gee, we're sorry. We didn't really know what we were doing and you're not going to live past 20. Oops!"

[meccajay]

I mean, we ALL know microchip technology came from outer space, but THESE people are just Karaaazy...right?? THE RAELIAN MOVEMENT Founded: 1973, France Founder: Claude Vorilhon, who took the name Rael; his book is "The Final Message" Basic tenet: The old Hebrew phrase "Elohim" -- usually translated as a name for God -- should have been interpreted as a reference to non-Earthlings "from the sky." These entities are, Raelians say, responsible for the creation of life on Earth. Membership: The organization says it comprises some 40,000 members worldwide, with highest concentrations in France, Canada and Japan. Outside researchers have suggested the membership may be smaller. Source: The University of Virginia's New Religious Movements source

[BP3]

THE RAELIAN MOVEMENT - The belief that all life is derived from Rael (Peter Gabriel) and the the Slippermen will come for you when the end is near. [img]http://www.afn.org/~afn20039/rael.jpg[/img] *at least they're not cloning Phil Collins! [img]http://genesis.musichall.cz/images/anursery.jpg[/img]

[Gtoledo3]

Call me when it turns out that the "Apocalypse" is upon us. ;)

[realtrance]

"Dr., I want a baby with the fur of an arctic seal, the temperament of a radish, with yellow-orange goat's eyes and bluish-green skin..." The future should prove interesting. Imagine Penthouse in 2032 ("the Barnyard Edition"). :) rt

[Sylver]

[quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]"Dr., I want a baby with the fur of an arctic seal, the temperament of a radish, with yellow-orange goat's eyes and bluish-green skin..." The future should prove interesting. Imagine Penthouse in 2032 ("the Barnyard Edition"). :) rt[/b][/quote]That sounds reasonable to me.

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]"Dr., I want a baby with the fur of an arctic seal, the temperament of a radish, with yellow-orange goat's eyes and bluish-green skin..."[/b][/quote]Wow, you too? What a coincidence! :D - Jeff

[BP3]

Here's a bit of background on the Raelians - http://www.skepdic.com/raelian.html Funny stuff.

[Roto]

I'm an atheist and even I believe that God will smite these people :D Cloning frightens me for many reasons, mostly for the clones themselves. Growing embryos for organ transplants is just creepy, so what if they clone people and let them live among society? Will they have health issues? They will definitely have discrimination issues. Human cloning is just disturbing.

[realtrance]

Jeff, you make yours a girl, I'll make mine a boy, or the other way around, whatever your preference. Just so long as they can procreate. :) rt

[Bunny Knutson]

[quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]Jeff, you make yours a girl, I'll make mine a boy, or the other way around, whatever your preference. Just so long as they can procreate.[/b][/quote]But, of course, they won't NEED to procreate in the traditional sense, because they can be CLONED! Those Clonaid people are nuts. Nuts! :freak: ~~~ When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be about the current activities in North Korea. Now, THAT is certainly shaping up to be a potential apocalyptic scenario: [url=http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/27/nkorea.expulsions/index.html]Click here.[/url] [url=http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/27/nkorea.dmz/index.html]And here.[/url]

[pauldil]

This reminds me of the great Dorsey tune "Armageddon sentimental over you" :p

[michael saulnier]

Clones rock! I'm waiting for the "new" Jackson 5... All named "[b]Michael[/b]" :freak: guitplayer

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]Jeff, you make yours a girl, I'll make mine a boy, or the other way around, whatever your preference. Just so long as they can procreate. :) [/b][/quote]Screw it, we'll just make some more. V2.0 will have a plume of peacock feathers, gazelle legs and a big-ass horn on the front just to fuck with people. Wait...what if they start cloning themselves? This could be a problem. They might attack us, and Yoda and the rest of the Jedi Council will come try to save us, and... Oh, never mind. - Jeff

[techristian]

First of all, I don't believe that "Eve" is healthy, if she isn't just a hoax. Second, if she is healthy, how many botched clones did they have to abort to get her? The other thing which was touched on is the aging thing. If the DNA comes from a 30 year old, it is 30 year old DNA which has already undergone some breakdown (aging) over the 30 years. Will Eve age rapidly? I feel that this whole cloning thing is mankind playing with a new technological toy, not caring about the consequences. It is Frankenstein medicine. THIS WORLD IS GOING MAD! Dan http://musicinit.com

[Super 8]

:eek: [b]"The APOCALYPSE is upon us????!!!!"[/b] :eek: Oh dear, I just knew this would happen... :( Well, I was able to catch the press conference on the tube, and I would say if you are skeptical over this you have good reason to be. They offered absolutely no evidence, no pictures, no nothing, to back up their claims. Anyone on this board could have called the same conference... The woman who spoke had two or three different colors of hair, and seemed to be more of a displaced dead-head than a doctor. By the way, she was just a spokesperson, she didn't claim to have been the one who did the cloning. According to the experts, human or primate cloning is thought to be a far more complex process than it has been for cats, mice, and sheep. And apparently, science is a good distance away from perfecting THOSE processes! So, the odds of this just being a hoax to get attention for the UFO religion is probably around 99%. :rolleyes: Cloning humans may be inevitable, I don't know. I hope not. I have a hard time seeing any reason to do it -other than just to prove that we can. But for now, I think we can safely say it hasn't been done yet.

[Super 8]

[quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b]Wait...what if they start cloning themselves? This could be a problem. They might attack us, and Yoda and the rest of the Jedi Council will come try to save us, and... Oh, never mind. [/b][/quote]Yeah, this could get interesting... A little like X-men and Bladerunner combined. We can create a 'worker-class' and give them the necessary genetic traits to make them big and to accept commands without questioning anything. Just think of it! Wait... We don't need cloning to do that! Aren't we already getting the same results through fast-food and television???? :freak: YES, MASTER....

[Kendrix]

Some people thought the wright brothers were crazy cause man had no buisiness trying to fly. Some people think medicines and vaccines are unethical cause they subvert the intent of God/Nature. Some people thought that organ implants created the same ethical dillema- same with test tube babies, Hey, on the face of it, belief that extraterrestials played some role in mankinds past is no less plausible than a belief in any number of religions/ God(s). To some extent its a mater of faith at this point. Is this less plausible than reincarnation? ( which the majority of the worlds poeple believe in). Yes there are unanswered questions and issues facing cloning. - but this is par for the course with things like this. Im pretty certain that stem cell research and cloning-based technologies , in one form or another, will help millions of folks with a wide variety of health problems in our lifetime. Lets try and open up our minds a bit eh. Besides, if it werent for experimentally-enabled progress we probably would not have Jack Daniels ;)

[Tedster]

CLONES? Oh...I thought you said "clowns". Never mind. Seriously though, these Raelians or whatever believe that human life originated from aliens. Stupid question... Where'd the aliens come from?

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by Tedster Lombardo: [b]Where'd the aliens come from?[/b][/quote]Other aliens. Where'd [i]they[/i] come from? Yet other aliens. Can you see some circular logic happening here? :) And the weirder part: the aliens...are...us. (Play spooky sci-fi-music here). - Jeff

[Tedster]

I know, Jeff, you're really Rod Serling.

[Bunny Knutson]

[quote]Originally posted by Super 8: [b]Cloning humans may be inevitable, I don't know. I hope not. I have a hard time seeing any reason to do it -other than just to prove that we can.[/b][/quote]Here are a few possible reasons: 1. Fertility issues. 2. Replacing a lost child. 3. Unmitigated vanity. Beyond that, I don't see the point in cloning humans. This is much different than stem cell research, IMO. Stem cell research may lead to medical breakthroughs, but human cloning just seems like an trajedy waiting to happen. Anyone here ever see The 6th Day? Silly movie, but interesting vision of the future and human cloning.

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by Tedster Lombardo: [b]I know, Jeff, you're really Rod Serling.[/b][/quote]No, just his clone. :eek: :eek: :eek: - Jeff

[realtrance]

Okay, so let's get this back into the sphere of musical meditation: Can a clone make original music? I think not! Whence we'll soon get the teenage-girl epithet, said about some nasty former boyfriend who thinks he's the coolest thing on earth: "he's such a clone!" rt

[joegerardi]

[quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]Okay, so let's get this back into the sphere of musical meditation: Can a clone make original music? I think not! rt[/b][/quote]OMG! Think about it... Someone just might clone the 1910 Fruitgum Company and we'd have to go through that ALL OVER AGAIN!!!! There's the most ethical reason to disallow it, right there... :D :eek: :D :eek: :D

[realtrance]

Uh-oh. I hadn't thought of that. Be afraid, be VERY afraid. :eek: rt

[not Cereal]

[ [i]voice of spoiled brat child[/i] ] "I WANT MY MINI ME!!!! MOMMEE! I WANT IT I WANT IT I WANT IT!!! [img]http://www.funofun.com/images/funnypics/dr_evil_laden.jpe[/img]