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I notice that the "No Sale Zone" discussion has been closed & while I do not want to re-enliven it, I have a question about the MI spam thread, which is still in the classic/sticky area.

Since it's closed also & ineffective, is it tostay or be removed? Does it just take a while to get that done?

 

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Originally posted by Michael Jackson's real nose:

I have a question about the MI spam thread, which is still in the classic/sticky area.

Since it's closed also & ineffective, is it to stay or be removed? Does it just take a while to get that done?

I'm not going to delete it - there's not reason for me to do that. I closed it because we had resolved the issue, and it was...shall we say...veering off track.

 

Clsoed threads just basically sink out of sight as fast as other topics being posted in cause that to happen. Closed threads are always available in searches. The only difference between a closed and an open thread is that the closed thread can't be posted in/bumped.

 

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Originally posted by Red Winger:

I think he's talking about the "sticky" MI spam thread up at the top of the page, not one in the main body of the forum.

Ahhhh, okay...

 

That will be deleted for sure - I just haven't gotten around to it. I'll take care of it shortly.

 

Thanks for the reminder...

 

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I was disappointed that the discussion was closed after only 4 days. When it first came up, I wanted to read what others had to say before making my own comment. When I did go to make a comment yesterday, it was closed. I guess you only want the opinions of people who jump in right away, rather than people who consider their opinions?

 

That minor gripe aside, this is a great forum and I appreciate and support everyone who helps make it that way.

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Originally posted by learjeff:

I was disappointed that the discussion was closed after only 4 days. When it first came up, I wanted to read what others had to say before making my own comment. When I did go to make a comment yesterday, it was closed. I guess you only want the opinions of people who jump in right away, rather than people who consider their opinions?

Not so. When I ask for opinions, I definitely want to hear what everyone who wants to comment has to say.

 

It seemed to me that the feedback in the thread was overwhelmingly leaning in one direction. People were almost unanimous in their feelings as far as not wanting to be spammed when they were here, so I took that to be a pretty clear indication of what the majority wanted (which was what I was looking for). As far as the Manufacturer's thread issue, I thought that the direction on that was also fairly clear based on what happened within that thread.

 

Additionally, the opinions seemed to be tapering off, and the thread appeared to be deteriorating into a bit of a flame fest, so I closed it.

 

I'm sorry if you feel slighted because you did not get to voice your opinion. That was not my intention. If you (or anyone else) would like to post your feelings on the subject here, please feel free to do so.

 

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I forget who suggested it, but why not make MI Manufacturer Product Announcements a "message area" underneath the Keyboard Magazine Forum? I thought that was a good suggestion, that died a quick death. :)

 

Right now, under Keyboard Magazine Forum there is only one "message area" (I'm not sure what to call it, it's more than a thread), namely Keyboard Corner. If the MI Announcements "message area" were there, we KC-ites would never even need to see it unless we specifically made a shopping trip over to that part of town.

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Originally posted by Floyd Tatum:

I forget who suggested it, but why not make MI Manufacturer Product Announcements a "message area" underneath the Keyboard Magazine Forum? I thought that was a good suggestion, that died a quick death. :)

 

Right now, under Keyboard Magazine Forum there is only one "message area" (I'm not sure what to call it, it's more than a thread), namely Keyboard Corner. If the MI Announcements "message area" were there, we KC-ites would never even need to see it unless we specifically made a shopping trip over to that part of town.

If I'm reading you correctly, Richard, you're basically calling for what Squids is calling for - another forum. I have no control over that. If you want a forum where manufacturers and retailers can post whatever they want, you need to talk to Dendy and Craig.

 

As someone pointed out earlier - there is an area where some manufacturer product announcements and press releases are covered. It's the front page of the site: www.musicplayer.com. . The news page also contains a bunch of that sort of info.

 

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Like Jeff, I missed the thread until it was too late. I try to visit the forum a couple of times a week, but must have landed outside the window.

 

I thought the dedicated thread was a good solution, but it seemed that some folks turned it into something else. Anyhow, if you're going to lock it forever, you probably want to take it off the permalink list at the top of the forum.

 

I moderate a few church music mail lists, and belong to a few more. Our publishers' reps are valued members - we even let them announce new products that might be of interest. Also, lots of composers on these lists - and we ALWAYS want to know when one of our listmates has a new work out there.

 

So I don't mind the "spam", as long as it's from a contributing member. OTOH, anyone who's ever spent any time in a mic forum knows what a food fight product threads can turn into once the pro-SP and anti-SP forces lock horns. And that would be bad - I've left at least one board because it became uninhabitable for those of us who don't post at the top of our lungs.

 

Good luck sorting it out, dB. I'd like to see the Mfr thread unlocked (and the guys who continue to misuse it warned). But this is a great place with or without the thread, and I'll support your decision.

 

Best wishes,

 

Daf

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Originally posted by Squids:

there's no reason to be closed minded to hearing from people who probably know more about their own products than other people do!

:rolleyes:

 

You make it sound as if there's a whole bunch of MI manufacturers dying to talk about their gear here who feel unwelcome to do so. It seems to me that the only MI manufacturer pressing this point at all is you.

 

I opened the other thread up for anyone to respond. If there are all these manufacturers aching to start threads about their gear here, why did none of them say anything?

 

So, I would love to talk to people like Dave Smith or Roger Linn or a rep from Yamaha or a product specialist from Apple.
Dave Smith doesn't have the time or desire to hang out on the forums. If you really want to talk to him, call him up - he's the one who answers the DSI phone. He'll be glad to speak with anyone about his products.

 

I don't know about Roger, but he doesn't really make keyboard products, so I'm not sure why he would hang out here.

 

Yamaha has reps here, so does Apple. Both make themselves available to the forum members.

 

Next?

 

I see no reason why there couldn't be another one in the Keyboard Magazine Forum area that was even SUPPOSED to have more involvement and interactivity with the MI community.

Neither do I...if that's what "the MI community" wants. I'm not sure they do.

 

I know for a fact that this forum is frequented and/or read by representatives of (among others) Korg, Roland, GeneralMusic, Kurzweil, Alesis, Tascam, Apple and Yamaha. Some of them talk about their products, some don't. Some make themselves known, and others don't. That's by their choice. Quite a few of them choose not to post here because they don't want to have their presence known, or be forced to answer questions. Some of them are actually not allowed to post here by their companies. Some of them answer questions regularly, and are very helpful to the community.

 

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to make it seem as if this forum is off-limits to MI manufacturers interested in talking about their gear. It's only off limits to manufacturers trying to directly solicit sales from forum members.

 

Of course, not many of them have ever tried to do so, and only one has tried to do so repeatedly. ;)

 

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Originally posted by DafDuc:

if you're going to lock it forever, you probably want to take it off the permalink list at the top of the forum.

Done.

 

Good luck sorting it out, dB. I'd like to see the Mfr thread unlocked (and the guys who continue to misuse it warned).
Not gonna happen, unfortunately.

 

As you may have noticed, my warnings and requests to offending parties have done nothing but beget further arguments and complaints from said parties; and, frankly, I don't have the energy or desire to play police officer...so it'll just stay locked, and the forum's no-sell policy will just remain in place.

 

One small change will be added - from now on, repeat violators of the no-sell policy will be banned from the forum. I've been a little too flexible in the past in the name of friendship, and that has proven to be a mistake.

 

But this is a great place with or without the thread, and I'll support your decision.
Thanks, Daf - 'preciate dat. :thu:

 

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The idea about banning a MI mfg or distrib. rep that continues to try to sell to Forum members is a good anedote for hard headed MI reps. Harmony Central has banned posters for being a repeated PITA (P120dude for one), much less try to sell to members. You probably have been too forgiving of MI posters that want to do what they damn please. If they don't follow the rules, give them the ax. :eek:

 

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Hey Dave (Squids, that is, not DB),

 

Time to drop it, man. I've joined in on the first couple of group buys you guys ran, and I think they're great (particularly the TRON one). I think very highly of you, your company and your products. I also have a lot of respect for the way you run your show and your posts over at KVR. Let's not forget that you've got KVR and a bunch of other places where those group buys get blasted all over the boards. At this point, all you're doing here is damaging your cred here by not respecting the wishes of the moderator and the majority of folks on these boards. There's nothing that says all forum boards have to go by the same rules. You don't like the rules that are here, just don't hang out here.

 

Anyway, time to move on people. This horse is six feet under and then some.

 

Best,

Mark

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Originally posted by Squids:

I wonder if most non-MI business people would want that. But you enforce the rules and yet you work for two MI companies. How can you NOT be biased? We should just trust you? Because you are popular around here?

Dave,

 

First off, I want you to know that I have nothing against you, and I truly believe that you have a few sincere and valid points to make. I have also participated in your group buys, so I'm not one who can condemn all MI posts without being hypocritical.

 

But I think you are a bit off-base here because you are neglecting a few things that have to do with this forum and are pertinent to this discussion. I am hoping that you will see that my 3000+ posts here gives me some basis to express my perspective.

 

All of the minutae of these MI rules aside, we trust Dave (Bryce) and abide by his decisions because before he was working for Adam, and WAY before he was working for DSI, he was our moderator. And he did exactly what a moderator should do: deleted blatant spam before most people even saw it, gently steered people away from flamewars, and banned trolls. More significant is what he did NOT do. He didn't try to impose his will or opinions on anyone. In fact, I think he purposely tries to stay away from really heated arguments about gear because he is a moderator.

 

When he started to work for Adam and DSI, he stated his policies plainly. No one, and I mean NO ONE, disputed or expressed any concern over the way he handled it. The reason you see Adam discussions all over the place is due to the fact that they are not well known outside of the upper echelons of MI, and this was our opportunity to ask about them. Did it create massive commissions for Dave Bryce? I doubt it, but that's beside the point.

 

I've never met Dave Bryce...actually, I may have, but I wouldn't have known it at the time. My closest interaction with him is using a DM Pro. But like many of us, I consider him a friend and a good moderator.

 

Dave (Squids), I am not disputing your points. I realize it may seem inconsistent to you, having come over from KVR. I completely respect and 99% understand your point of view. And may be the time has come for some hard and fast rules about everything around here. I sure hope not, though.

 

I've been around here for a little over 18 months, and your Sonic Synth group buy was the very first direct solicitation I had ever seen here. Now again, I took advantage of it, but it's true that given the choice between seeing direct sells like that or missing out on a group buy, I'd choose missing out.

 

Now please think about that. SteadyB, Geoff Grace, Mike Martin, Jerry the K, Chuck Surack, even (or especially) Jeff da Weasel...all are or were affiliated with MI's at one point or another. And not a single direct solicitation that I can recall.

 

You may argue that it's the inferred hawking that is so insidious, and maybe people SHOULD have a constant signature, or maybe just have it in their profile. I don't know. But I'd have to disagree with the implication of your accusations.

 

It's a tricky subject and a slippery slope, but I hope you will factor in some history and humanity into your argument. You've walked into a close-knit group and we DO have an understood group ethic...at least I thought we did. It may take a while to cop to it.

 

Peace (sincerely)

 

Zero

"For instance" is not proof.

 

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Squids,

 

I mean you no disrespect at all, but you are missing a really key point. People like this forum, and hang out here, because it's different from the others.

 

Most internet forums quickly develop a very low signal-to-noise ratio because of spammers (solicitation of goods), trolls, and flamewars. This forum has not experienced any of those problems. Why? Mainly due to dB's moderation of the forum!

 

Are his policies unfair? Representative of a double-standard? Influenced by the secret society of evil wrong-doers? I don't care! It works, it's a good forum, and lots of people have been happy with it for years and years. We don't need people overtly selling us stuff to make that continue to be true. Period.

 

And frankly I don't have that much sympathy for sellers. There are tons of forums out there, try those. Or pay $10 a month to a hosting company and start you own. This one has chosen not to allow direct selling. But now we're going to let direct sellers come in here and tell us we're wrong?

 

I'm thinking not, thank you very much.

 

--Dave

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Originally posted by Squids:

While you keep tossing mud in my direction... until now I haven't gone on and on about how Adam speakers show up hundreds of times in a search here and Genelec speakers who up maybe 28 times? Maybe you don't directly solicit by starting threads about it but is it just a coincidence that it has been talked about this much on a forum about keyboards? Is it a more popular brand than Genelec and we just don't know about it? Give me a break!

Fine. As you wish. Gloves off. :mad:

 

I'm the ADAM guy, Dave. People know that. A bunch of them come here to ask me questions. There's no problem with that. If anyone asks you any questions about your business, you're more than welcome to reply. Look at the current ProMega 3 thread. The GEM guys are all over that. I have NO problem with that. Nor, I believe, does anyone else who posts here.

 

The difference is that I don't try to sell anything to anybody, and that as a rule I only speak about ADAMs (or DSI) when spoken to.

 

AFAIK, I have only started two ADAM threads in this forum ever. One was to tell people where to find our booth one year when we weren't printed in the trade show guide, and the other was the aforementioned giveaway contest where I directed people over to Phil's forum where I had asked permission to post about the contest.

 

You, on the other hand, have tried directly to sell to people on this forum repeatedly. You and I have had run-ins at least four times over this, and each time you get nastier.

 

The last time was especially despicable, because not only are you posting as a manufacturer, but also as a retailer...and you didn't even bother to tell anyone that you have ownership in the retail business selling the group buy! As a matter of fact, you tried to squirm out of it when I first questioned you about your ownership in esoundz.

 

I'm sorry, bud, but that's just sleazy beyond belief.

 

You KNEW the rules of this forum as far as that goes. Hell, having done this dance with me three times prior to this, I daresay you know the rules better than any other manufacturer who hangs out here. You could have easily suggested over in k-v-r that someone other than you go around to the other forums, but noooooo...you had to do it yourself, despite the fact that you and I have had three other run-ins over this bullshit...which, out of what I thought was friendship, I kept off the forums and in PMs.

 

Don't try to turn me into the only guy from the MI business who stands anything to gain from being around here.
You are totally full of shit, Dave. I never said that. I said that you're the only MI guy trying repeatedly to sell to the other people on the forum, and that you're the only MI guy giving me any shit about not being able to do so.

 

So I am the only one who challenged the RULE of HOW MI people are allowed to communicate with others here?
Ummmm...yes. :idea:

 

Big deal.
Indeed, it is a big deal.

 

I even said I'd follow the rule even though I don't agree with it.
Gee, that's really accommodating of you... :rolleyes:

 

However, you've said that before, haven't you? You didn't stick to it then, why should I believe you now?

 

But, at least I am up front and honest about that I am from the MI business.
...except when it comes to your being an owner in the retail establishment that sells your stuff directly... :eek:

 

A lot of people, including yourself, only put that association in your signature when you choose to put on that hat. But, when is that supposed to be? Only when you talk about that company's products? What about when you are talking about ANY music equipment related things? If you were to give an opinion about another synth (or speaker -???) don't you think people should know you work for Dave Smith who makes synths too (or Adam Speakers)?
Guess what, Dave...

 

I make it a habit not to post an opinion about anyone else's speakers for just that reason. You just assumed otherwise, and you are wrong. I'd love to be able to talk about my impressions of other monitors...but I can't, so I don't.

 

Go try and find an opinion post I made about other people's speakers in this forum, or any other forum for that matter. Good luck.

 

I have also shied away giving qualititative opinions about other people's synths since I started working with Dave Smith. You know why? Because it's a conflict of interest.

 

It's not just for when you talk about DSI products that it should be disclosed. You can't expect that people would think someone in the MI business doesn't have their biases. That is unfair too.
Bullshit.

 

Try speaking just for yourself. You have no right to speak for anyone else here, and it is downright arrogant of you to try and do so.

 

If you were really making rules according to what the forum wants then perhaps you might ask who (out of the people NOT in the MI business who wouldn't be biased) would like it to be a rule that anyone from the MI business must at least disclose it in their signature. Would you do that?

 

The question is: If you are a forum member posting in a thread, do you think it should be mandatory that if they are in the MI business that they disclose it in their signature?

People have already been weighing in on that subject in this thread , and I have already made my feelings on the subject known there. Wake up.

 

But you enforce the rules and yet you work for two MI companies. How can you NOT be biased? We should just trust you? Because you are popular around here?
In case you missed this, even though I do my best to try and run things democratically here (because that's the way I'd want to be treated), this is my forum, Dave. It has my name on it. People know who I am, and it is their choice as to whether they trust me. I think I do a pretty good job of being objective, and I believe that others agree with that. Anyone who doesn't is free not to come and hang here. No one makes anyone hang out here - there are plenty of keyboard forums on the 'net. Besides, according to you, this forum is missing a whole bunch of things that you want from a keyboard forum, so why do you bother coming here?

 

I have had more than enough of you and your bullshit. I'd appreciate it if you would leave this forum and not return. You can either do it of your own volition so you can continue to post in the other musicplayer forums, or I will have you banned.

 

BTW - I imagine this line of posting is doing wonders for your reputation and your business.

 

Do have a pleasant Thanksgiving holiday...

 

dB

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Originally posted by Dave Pierce:

Squids,

 

I mean you no disrespect at all, but you are missing a really key point. People like this forum, and hang out here, because it's different from the others.

 

Most internet forums quickly develop a very low signal-to-noise ratio because of spammers (solicitation of goods), trolls, and flamewars. This forum has not experienced any of those problems. Why? Mainly due to dB's moderation of the forum!

 

Are his policies unfair? Representative of a double-standard? Influenced by the secret society of evil wrong-doers? I don't care! It works, it's a good forum, and lots of people have been happy with it for years and years. We don't need people overtly selling us stuff to make that continue to be true. Period.

 

And frankly I don't have that much sympathy for sellers. There are tons of forums out there, try those. Or pay $10 a month to a hosting company and start you own. This one has chosen not to allow direct selling. But now we're going to let direct sellers come in here and tell us we're wrong?

 

I'm thinking not, thank you very much.

 

--Dave

Again, whether we're talking about this forum changing or another forum being added I do think that there is room for a lot of things to be considered. If we want to make it out like I am trying to turn this place into a selling zone then sure I expect you'd be against that. But, I am not just a salesman. In fact, that is only a very small part of what I do. But, even as a musician who uses these tools myself I think there is a more open way of communicating between everyone in the Keyboard community.

 

You guys like this place as it is? Great. If Keyboard magazine wants to keep it that way because that's what they want to provide then that's up to them. It's not a forum created by the public. It was provided and you guys have gotten used to it being a certain way. All I am saying is that if everyone wants THIS forum to be this way then I personally don't care. But, then what I imagined as a forum more closely related to the magazine is something I am still for and perhaps just like there are other forums under the EQ magazine header, there can be other forums under the Keyboard magazine forum header.

 

Can you honestly say there is anything wrong with that? I mean, if you didn't like that forum and preferred this one then you could just stay in this one right? So, where's the problem?

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Originally posted by DCStudios:

Squids,

 

Let me give you some good advice. I went through an issue with DB here several years ago and there is no winning. Doesn't matter if you are dead right you will still loose. Does ADAM speakers show up whenever? You bet it does. But when one person is given complete control to run something then.... well anyone can see what happens. If you are in the "in" crowd then post away. If not then just shut up.

Donnie -

 

You were banned from this forum because you intentionally deceived the members of this forum , and then got nasty when called on it.

 

You are still not welcome here, and I'll thank you to leave as well.

 

dB

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Whoa. Deep deep deep BS. I've been around since dirt in MI, or least since Sequential Circuits. I have ties to, friends of, professional relationships with a number of people on here. I rep gear in a regional setting. I don't offer to sell any of it here. If somebody pops in with a question about something I understand, I'll drop my .02. I though that was the basic spirit of the forum. So the moderator is rep. So what? If his gear gets brought up, he, or someone in the know, should respond. I though the whole idea of a spam thread was exactly that. One thread for Press Releases and hard core "buy this shit" pumping and keep it out of the rest of the forum. Because "sales" doesn't belong in the mainstream forum, which is a community of like minded individuals.

 

Personally, Dave needs to can this dialog, and the whining and in fighting and "me too", "Same to you" shit. It's not worth the cyber space. This is not about any manaufacturer, rep, distributor, it's about the open communication of gear without the marketing artifact(s). This forum is a no sell zone with a thread for the medicine show folks. If your freaking marketing plan is spam based, f*ck you and your gear, go home and leave us alone. Run an ad in the proper "mediums". Buy a banner on the page if you think there's value in here, but get off the moderator's back and get back to the business at hand which is the free and open discussion of keyboard related issues that do not involve the transfiguration of inanimate objects into money.

 

Dave does a good job. Join in the spirit of things and offer advice and information where needed. Otherwise, if you want to sell something, go through a sales channel and get the f*ck off of here with the whiny-assed BS.

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Originally posted by capnzoot:

Dave does a good job. Join in the spirit of things and offer advice and information where needed. Otherwise, if you want to sell something, go through a sales channel and get the f*ck off of here with the whiny-assed BS.

:thu::thu::thu:

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Originally posted by capnzoot:

This is not about any manaufacturer, rep, distributor, it's about the open communication of gear without the marketing artifact(s). This forum is a no sell zone with a thread for the medicine show folks. If your freaking marketing plan is spam based, f*ck you and your gear, go home and leave us alone. Run an ad in the proper "mediums". Buy a banner on the page if you think there's value in here, but get off the moderator's back and get back to the business at hand which is the free and open discussion of keyboard related issues that do not involve the transfiguration of inanimate objects into money.

Thank you, sir. :cool:

 

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Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

not only are you posting as a manufacturer, but also as a retailer...and you didn't even bother to tell anyone that you have ownership in the retail business selling the group buy! As a matter of fact, you tried to squirm out of it when I first questioned you about your ownership in esoundz.

Not cool, Squids. Not cool at all... :o:o:o
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Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

 

As a matter of fact, you tried to squirm out of it when I first questioned you about your ownership in esoundz.

 

I'm sorry, bud, but that's just sleazy beyond belief.

 

dB

Yes, SR is the only soundware company that has a store with a different name. Did you forget conveniently the point I made about Sounds On Line? How about Best Service that even has physical stores. Are you actually saying that you think I was trying to be deceptive? Pretending I wasn't involved in the group buy on the retail side? A group BUY has to be SOLD somewhere!

 

Look, the only one squirming is you. You keep trying to make me look like I am doing something sleazy or wrong and it is not going to be very good for you that's all. Sure, people who like you will like me less. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that this isn't right. It's one sided and since you are the moderator you call the shots. But, you're biased.

 

People know you work for Adam and DSI? What if they are new to the forum? Do they automatically know if you don't keep it in your signature? What about that the moderator just works in the MI business. Are they to know or do new forum contributors not count? Do you think that the rules can just be made so they suit you because you are the moderator?

 

I think you've let the power go to your head a little. You want post these: :mad: Okay. You're not the only one. You are not automatically right about everything just because you are the moderator. I've never seen you admit you were wrong or over the top. You try to turn a few innocent posts of mine into something criminal? You said FOUR posts? How many have you made about the products you rep? Oh, I forgot. It's okay because you followed your own rules to a T! Well, at least besides that one thread that you got permission from to say "Moderator Spam: Contest about naming Adams". Of course, what that has to do with KEYBOARDS I really don't know. :rolleyes:

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Let me step in here. First, in all the forums, the will of the majority of the people is that they want no posting by manufacturers or reps selling their products. Mentioning products, discussing products, soliciting opinions on products: Yes. Selling: No. I don't bring up my products although I will respond if someone asks about them, and Dave is the same way about Adam speakers and such. That's just the way that it is on MusicPlayer.com.

 

Could it change in the future? Sure, if that's what the people want. But at least in my forum, the merest whiff of commercialism gets the ire up of the Spam Rapid Response team, and I usually delete the thread as an act of mercy.

 

There are lots of places on the web where it is acceptable to sell products...in fact, where people WANT that. But that's not what these forums are about, and here's why.

 

Almost EVERYONE here has something they could sell..."Book time in my studio, buy my CD," whatever. If the forums got opened up to this, the discussion value would be gone among a sea of commercial threads. That is why there is a zero tolerance policy, because once that door is opened, it's hard to close. If a non-interested third party brings something up ("Hey, I heard this great CD") that's okay...but if the *artist* says "Hey, I made this great CD, buy it" that doesn't work.

 

We understand that some people do like to hear commercial messages. There are lots of places on the web and we encourage people to visit those places. But the thrust of these forums is different and clearly defined. Also, it is in the sole opinion of the moderater whether something is acceptable or not. Moderators HAVE to make judgement calls and they have not only the right, but the obligation, to do so.

 

I hope this clears things up a bit. This is a great place to discuss, just not a place to sell...regardless of how good anyone's intentions are. Because as soon as these kinds of threads pop up, people with not-so-good intentions are sure to follow. They have in the past, and we don't want a repeat of those situations.

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Originally posted by bearded yeti:

Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

not only are you posting as a manufacturer, but also as a retailer...and you didn't even bother to tell anyone that you have ownership in the retail business selling the group buy! As a matter of fact, you tried to squirm out of it when I first questioned you about your ownership in esoundz.

Not cool, Squids. Not cool at all... :o:o:o
How else do you sell a group buy but through a retail outlet? You have to make a transaction for the group buy. Is it uncool of East West to say they made a product and it is available from Sounds On Line? We're openly affiliated with eSoundz and shit... I'll happily put the link in my sig! Sure. In fact, I am on the side of disclosing at LEAST that someone is from the MI business in any capacity in their sig.

 

But, understand that nearly all software/sound developers have an on line shop. That doesn't make them the same "retailer" as a chain store. Different animal. So, when you say "Not cool at all" just please think about that though. Also, think about whether you think I was trying to hide it really. It's in my sig on KVR all the time. I'll put it here too. I don't care. That's not the point I don't think.

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Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

Donnie -

 

You were banned from this forum because you intentionally deceived the members of this forum , and then got nasty when called on it.

 

You are still not welcome here, and I'll thank you to leave as well.

 

dB

Whoah, I missed this one...before my time. What a complete unabashed asshole. This is what happens when someone working on a doctorate in percussion tries to act like he has a doctorate in marketing.

"For instance" is not proof.

 

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Originally posted by DCStudios:

...But when one person is given complete control to run something then.... well anyone can see what happens. If you are in the "in" crowd then post away. If not then just shut up.

I think that is a good point there.

One person, because of his qualifications & willingness to do the work, does have control here...but it's not complete control.

The MPlayer administration could override DB---if someone could make a valid case that he was either unfair or abusing his position.

Good luck on that.

He also opened the whole issue here to the forum members to discuss & test (a move we can hardly call dictatorial) & as far as I noticed all that came of it was a continued debate from some rather than actual progress in taking advantage of the opening....& he's done that again here.

 

I'd suggest that if enough want to allow some to post true PR & news, rather than free ads, it might happen but we need to move on from carping about what's not allowed/wanted to taking advantage of what is.

 

"So it shall be written; so it shall be done." [ :D Yule Brynner as Ramses in the 10 commandments]

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