Jazz+ Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 ? Harry was the technical editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 850 of Harry's solo piano arrangements of standards and jazz tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLights Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 The P-90 is pretty limited when it comes to MIDI control. I had a P-80 which I used to control a module; it worked, but couldn't do anything beyond sending a handful of basic MIDI commands. If that's all you want to do, it would probably be fine. You might want to download the P-90's owners manual and check the MIDI implentation chart just to double check. I've seen some threads here and elsewhere from people who say the P-90 doesn't send the full range of velocity (+127) - and seems to top out at 100 or so. May be a minor problem for your use. _______________________________________________ Kurzweil PC4; Yamaha P515; EV ZXA1s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geosync Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 MIDI Solutions makes little boxes that do exactly what you want very well for little money. http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm For your problem, I would suggest the Velocity Converter. Good Luck Take Care, George Hamilton Yamaha US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guestuserguestuser.com Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Does changing the Touch settings (soft/medium/hard) on the P90 have any effect on the outputted midi velocity range? What about using different patches on the P90, do different patches send different midi velocity ranges, or are they all the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted August 16, 2004 Author Share Posted August 16, 2004 ? Harry was the technical editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 850 of Harry's solo piano arrangements of standards and jazz tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheye Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by nolights: I've seen some threads here and elsewhere from people who say the P-90 doesn't send the full range of velocity (+127) - and seems to top out at 100 or so. May be a minor problem for your use.My P80 reaches every velocity; it doesn't stop at 100. Haven't used it with Electro Rhodes though. For one thing, real rhodes don't play that well either. Letting them bark is rather tuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guestuserguestuser.com Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by fisheye: For one thing, real rhodes don't play that well either. Letting them bark is rather tuff.True, especially the earlier models that had the heavy, sluggish action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 I've noticed similarly unresponsive velocity from my P90 - and home Clavinova keyboard - to my Kurzweil ME-1 and until now I've thought it was the module. Jazz+, if you do end up with that midisolutions box, can you PM me and let me know how it works for you? ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve123 Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 George Hamilton wrote: http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm For your problem, I would suggest the Velocity ConverterI couldn't agree more with this. I've have a Velocity Converter and it's ideal for mating disparate controllers and modules together where you might not have the time, inclination, or ability (either within yourself or the equipment) to reprogram sounds to match the controller. It's the easiest way to change the response of a keyboard. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by fisheye: [My P80 reaches every velocity; it doesn't stop at 100. Haven't used it with Electro Rhodes though. [/QB]True but the curve over MIDI is wrong, exactly the same as the p120.. I owned both.. I found I could get to around 110 with normal playing, 127 with abnormal and perhaps even dangerous playing.. Its a common problem on p90, p80, p120, not sure about P250 and P200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted August 16, 2004 Author Share Posted August 16, 2004 ? Harry was the technical editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 850 of Harry's solo piano arrangements of standards and jazz tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheye Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by orangefunk: True but the curve over MIDI is wrong, exactly the same as the p120.. I owned both.. I found I could get to around 110 with normal playing, 127 with abnormal and perhaps even dangerous playing.. Its a common problem on p90, p80, p120, not sure about P250 and P200Aha. The problem then might be that the P series are too much piano-like for your taste. After all, when a real piano has to go loud, you have to bang it really hard. It also gives the player better controllable dynamics since the velocities are spread over a larger pressure range. The electro might be programmed for typical semi-weighted or unweighted keys, which usually reach the 127 quite soon (from a pianist perspective). Can't it be tweaked a little bit? [i agree with you that it's not sure whether the keys of the P series can hold when played on 127 for long!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Well I'd class myself a pianist first and foremost.. the actual onboard sounds on the P series pianos are superbly matched with the keyboard... but you try playing a Motif 7 rhodes patch from the p120 on different settings... you will get nowhere near the same feeling of expression... yet the rhodes is superbly dynamic from the motif.. I also play a rhodes 73 Mk1 too.. Originally posted by fisheye: Aha. The problem then might be that the P series are too much piano-like for your taste. After all, when a real piano has to go loud, you have to bang it really hard. It also gives the player better controllable dynamics since the velocities are spread over a larger pressure range. The electro might be programmed for typical semi-weighted or unweighted keys, which usually reach the 127 quite soon (from a pianist perspective). Can't it be tweaked a little bit? [i agree with you that it's not sure whether the keys of the P series can hold when played on 127 for long!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 I took the Electro to Guitar Center Harry was the technical editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 850 of Harry's solo piano arrangements of standards and jazz tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guestuserguestuser.com Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Jazz+: I took the Electro to Guitar Center and tried playing if from the the P120, P90 and the Roland FP5 and they are all kind of similar: "Hard" touch is too low, "Medium" barks a little to easy and "Light" barks way too easy... Maybe its partly the fault of the Electro and the way it receives velocity?Or maybe it's just that the Electro's playback engine is tweaked for the Electro keybed, or vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 ? Harry was the technical editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 850 of Harry's solo piano arrangements of standards and jazz tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Petros, Did you ever get resolution to your issue with the velocity coming from your Yamahas into the Electro? I think you are now looking into the Roland pianos as an alternative controller, based on your more recent posts. Out of curiosity, did you decide that the P120 Rhodes was not good enough? I personally think that the Rhodes in the P120 is very good. Maybe not quite as good as the Electro, but definitely good enough to bypass the spend on adding an Electro. Just a thought for you. Regards, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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