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hermanjoe

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What are people using for softsynths in order to get some PHAT analogic tones?

I mean what soft synths do you guys dig that I can check out instead of buying a V.A? :idea:

"Learn the changes, then forget them."

 

-Charlie Parker

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Originally posted by BenOne:

I adore Arturia's CS-80V, the soft synth version of the vintage Yamaha CS-80 synth. The CS-80V produces very fat, rich tones and is quite versatile, as it creates nice pads, bass, and lead lines.

 

Ben

Yes,Arturia makes the finest software synthesizers.Before Arturia there was Creamware.They did the first emulation of Minimoog and Prophet vs.About the cs 80,its the synth the Vangelis describe as the instrument that is nearest best physical control.That means that you will need a lots of sliders(motorized would be nice) and keyboard with polyphonic touch and ribon controller to experience nearly the same thing.

Korg Legacy is also nice software synth.Every kind of emulation of the famous synthesizer is good thing,but you'll need good controller to experience the real control.There is also the emulation of the famous EMS AKS Synti but I didnt try this.

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You can control it of course with Karma,but the cs 80 is designed to control with the sliders(with one move of your hand you can change the sound instantly-look at the next videoclip

http://www.arturia.net/samples/videos/vtmahm.mpeg

)like the juno or similar synths but much more better.If you are looking for decent fader box(which features 100mm ALPS motorized faders you can look for bcf2000 from behringer

http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Price 220$

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ok guys

hi

emmm

im new to all this so sorry and thanks in adavnce

 

you see- i have cakewalk and soundforge but still cant get much intrestin goin on- cakewalk just makes cheesy kiddies website MIDI music and soundforge puts echoes behind bits of audio..crap

 

anyways..what i wana do is be able to press my computer keyboard and hear moog sounds.. why does this seem impossible?

is there any freeware/shareware which will do something like this for me? i have spent the last 12 hours downloading rubbish ossilators or whatever they are called..

 

thanks.. moon safari

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Originally posted by dudem:

what i wana do is be able to press my computer keyboard and hear moog sounds

For $3,000 plus travel costs, I'll bring a Moog and whenever you hit a key on your computer keyboard I'll play it. ;)

 

Not sure about freeware, but you probably can't do much better than the Arturia software for Moog emulations.

 

But, it sounds like the hardware synths mentioned in this thread would be more to your liking for instant and dependable gratification. Not sure what you're looking to spend, but check out the Alesis Ion.

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The ION conected to a computer sounds pretty cool. Then you have a lot of real time control with the sonic possibilities of the software.

Has anyone tried Korgs MS-20 conreoller?

"Learn the changes, then forget them."

 

-Charlie Parker

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If you want to check out softsynths, both Reaktor and Tassman 4 have downloadable demos, which are very check-out-able.

 

And both are excellent construction kits, so if you get interested enough to the point of wanting to learn how to really use them, you can then purchase them and custom-roll what you want.

 

rt

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Originally posted by hermanjoe:

is there a current controller that can handle the duties of controlling a soft synth? The cs-80 is great, but 200lbs. Oh Man!

I didn't meant to control your software synths with real yamaha cs80(2000 were produced so they are extremely rare and very expensive-5000$ and up).What I meant is that you control your Arturias cs 80 with the midi controller.You can control it with your Karma.I'm still waiting for ultimate midi controller with polyphonic aftertouch(it would be probably from Roland,because they only have beside Yamaha technology to produce keyboards with polyphonic aftertouch) with implemented endless knobs and ribbon controller,and lots of memory storage.No doubts that this controller will be expensive one.

Hermanjoe,if you want the great controller to control your software synths my recommendation is:

1.Roland A-80(best hammer action that Roland ever produced with true polyphonic aftertouch-Its old controller,abot 10 or 15 years but trully the best one and I saw one on ebay for about 500$.

2.Behringer BCR2000(32 rotary endless knob controller)for controlling software synths with knobs like Arturias minimoog V

3.Behringer BCF2000(8 motorized faders with pan knobs)this is for mixing and controlling software synths like Arturias cs80(with only one bcf2000 you can controll every parameter on the synth -lets say if you are controlling the filter section of the first oscilator on the Arturias cs80 at the press of the button on the bcf2000 you can control the second filter section fot the secpnd oscilator and the faders on your bcf2000 will setup and move like on the screen)

Advantage of behringer controllers is that everything you see on the screen is the same as the faders/knobs on your bcr/f2000.

I guess this kind of controller(A 80+bcf2000+bcr2000) is worth every penny

It will cost you 900$

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Originally posted by hermanjoe:

is there a current controller that can handle the duties of controlling a soft synth? The cs-80 is great, but 200lbs. Oh Man!

Arturia (the maker of the CS-80V) recently sent registered users a questionnaire asking what features we would like to see in a hardware controller for their soft syntn products, so I bet something is in the works from them. Right now I use my mouse and Alesis keyboard and I am satisfied with my level of control over the CS-80V.

 

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Originally posted by BenOne:

Originally posted by hermanjoe:

is there a current controller that can handle the duties of controlling a soft synth? The cs-80 is great, but 200lbs. Oh Man!

Arturia (the maker of the CS-80V) recently sent registered users a questionnaire asking what features we would like to see in a hardware controller for their soft syntn products, so I bet something is in the works from them.

Ben

Does that mean Arturia is planing make hardware controllers,or what( I dont think they have technology to make controllers of that calibre)
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Hermanjoe,if you want the great controller to control your software synths my recommendation is:

1.Roland A-80(best hammer action that Roland ever produced with true polyphonic aftertouch-Its old controller,abot 10 or 15 years but trully the best one and I saw one on ebay for about 500$.

I actually own a Roland A-90 which is a great. It's getting old and keys now break frequenlty. I could control it from my GEM Promega 3. I suppose this would work.

"Learn the changes, then forget them."

 

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Has anyone used the Roland SH-32? I see it's being liquidated on the fairly cheap in many places. Is that because it's a piece of junk, or is an option for someone on a heavy budget?
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Originally posted by Milos:

Does that mean Arturia is planing make hardware controllers,or what( I dont think they have technology to make controllers of that calibre)
Good point--my original description was inaccurate. Looking more closely at the survey invitation, I think they are trying to see how they could design their software synths to work better with existing hardware controllers.

 

Ben

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Originally posted by Immordino:

Has anyone used the Roland SH-32? I see it's being liquidated on the fairly cheap in many places. Is that because it's a piece of junk, or is an option for someone on a heavy budget?

I have one. It is good for digital sounding pads or those dings and beeps. It is too thin for good base or analog sounds. It is also easily overloaded when doing layered pads. Pull up some of the layered pads and hit a four note chord. The result is a initial partial sound, then the true patch comes in after a bit of delay. :(

 

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A few thoughts on the whole CS80v issue...

 

I'm still waiting for ultimate midi controller with polyphonic aftertouch(it would be probably from Roland,because they only have beside Yamaha technology to produce keyboards with polyphonic aftertouch)
1.) Ensoniq made a few keyboard models w/poly-aftertouch... though I never liked their product offerings, you might be able to track down a used one... if there are any still working.

 

2.) The Roland A-50 provided 76 keys w/poly aftertouch. I have one, it's great, and yes... I did have the "mod" done to it to be able to achieve the maximum value without having to lean so hard into the keys.

 

3.) If you've ever had the pleasure of playing an actual CS80, then you'd know how important using a controller w/poly-aftertouch is to recreating the CS80 "experience" (with the CS80v).

 

4.) Lastly, as great as the emulation is of the original CS80, the CS80v brings new meaning to the term "CPU hog".

 

Robert B.

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The Roland A-50 provided 76 keys w/poly aftertouch. I have one, it's great, and yes... I did have the "mod" done to it to be able to achieve the maximum value without having to lean so hard into the keys.

I think your thinking of the A-33 or A-37.

I don't know of a Roland A-50.

"Learn the changes, then forget them."

 

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Originally posted by hermanjoe:

The Roland A-50 provided 76 keys w/poly aftertouch. I have one, it's great, and yes... I did have the "mod" done to it to be able to achieve the maximum value without having to lean so hard into the keys.

I think your thinking of the A-33 or A-37.

I don't know of a Roland A-50.

http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/plank/Roland%20A-50_files/a50.jpg

It's a GREAT controller.

"For instance" is not proof.

 

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When I looked for the A-50 on the Roland site it does not come up. How old is it? Is it a predessor of the A-90?

I love my A-90 but the keys break all the time!

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Originally posted by marino:

Correct me if I'm wrong... Isn't the Roland A-50 the unweighted version of the A-80? If so, it predates the A-90 of a good deal.

it is.

 

looking at more recent models, a semi-weighted version of A90, an A70 might be a good idea.

 

A50 and A80 are kinda old, so when buying used, if previous owner didnt dust cover them regularly, problems with contacts are to be expected..

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Originally posted by clusterchord:

Originally posted by marino:

Correct me if I'm wrong... Isn't the Roland A-50 the unweighted version of the A-80? If so, it predates the A-90 of a good deal.

it is.

 

looking at more recent models, a semi-weighted version of A90, an A70 might be a good idea.

 

A50 and A80 are kinda old, so when buying used, if previous owner didnt dust cover them regularly, problems with contacts are to be expected..

Yes,they are quite old.They have been producing since 1989 -1994 and and when Roland would produce them at the present,I would buy it without hesitation.Many peoples are very satisfaid with these keyboards and would not trade it for anything.They are saying that the A 80 is much more better than the A 90 even it is older.It also has the best hammer action roland ever produced(better then one on Fantom and digital pianos).The new A series from Roland (A37) is the economic A series and its not comparable to its predeccesors,but even then,its the best midi controller in its class and the price range(76 semi weighted quality action keys,350$-400$).

Connecting it with fader/knob box like UC33e or the new behringer stuff,it would be a great controller for software synthesizers/

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I have no idea why Roland ever stopped producing the A90. My life might've been different if I'd had the money to get one new before it was discontinued. It was/is a GREAT master controller, with what (for me) was an optimum balance between piano keyboard feel and organ/synth keyboard feel.

 

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I have a Roland A-90. I think its a great board and served me well for the past 8 years or so. I mentioned before about the keys breaking a lot. Pretty much my only complaint. Its rather heavy about 80lbs or so.

It would be great if roland were to produce new models of those keyboards. I think they have put that energy into the rd series. But the Rd series seem to have less capabilties as controllers.

"Learn the changes, then forget them."

 

-Charlie Parker

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I had an A-80 for about 12 years- great piano touch, lousy editing, horrible polyphonic aftertouch (you needed hands of steel to use it, even with the Roland approved mods). I eventually ended up with a Kurzweil MidiBoard- decent piano touch, OK editing, PHENOMENAL Poly AT. I have a Peavey 1600x and a Kurzweil Expressionmate sitting on top of it to round out the controller functions- I am SO HAPPY with this......!
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I think your thinking of the A-33 or A-37.

I don't know of a Roland A-50.

First things first...

 

I hope you all will forgive me for being so thin skinned... I don't know any of you (with the exception of D. Bryce... more on that in a moment), but the idea of suggesting to one of you that you don't know the equipment (by name) that you've slaved to purchase and use in your studio in an on-going basis is something I would never do... unless I was damned certain you made an error.

 

A little about me... (not meant to be a resume ;-) I'm a keyboardist and drummer who had the pleasure of working a couple of years in music retail in Marin with Dave Bryce. I served as a Regional Product Specialist for 3+ years with Roland Corp US, and wrote and appeared in the Video Owners Manual for the V-Pro Set (V-drums). Been following synths since the 70's and bought my first poly-synth (Roland JX-3P) in '83.

 

A50 and A80 are kinda old, so when buying used, if previous owner didnt dust cover them regularly, problems with contacts are to be expected..
I've had mine for 12yrs+... no problems with contacts, never used a dust cover. A far more likely problem is a dimming, or completely burnt out backlight element for the LCD display... get a replacement from Telesis.

 

I had an A-80 for about 12 years- great piano touch, lousy editing, horrible polyphonic aftertouch (you needed hands of steel to use it, even with the Roland approved mods).
It's true that the UI design is "unintuitive"... I've heard (unverified) that the UI for the A-80 & 50 (the same) was designed by a third party out of Australia and Roland simply bought it. In any case... as with anything, if you invest the time to learn it... at that point it's easy. Also... I had one of Roland's techs (while working there) do my aftertouch mod, after which I have no trouble getting expressive response without having to "dig in" to the key bed.

 

looking at more recent models, a semi-weighted version of A90, an A70 might be a good idea.
Perhaps... but there would go your polyaftertouch capability... and consider this... pretty much since the mid 90's, every time I see Eric Persing (Spectrasonics) perform/demo using a keyboard... it's been with his trusty A-50... (at least as recently as Jan. '03). The point being: it's a pretty dependable axe with a healthy amount of control... even by today's standards.
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