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If you could play, on stage, with any band/musicians in the world, who would they be and what would be your dream 10 song setlist - could be multiple genres. What equipment would you use for what songs?

 

Here's mine:

 

1. E street band, almost any cut off BTR, using a full size grand piano

 

2. Won't get fooled again or baba o riley, someone would have to tell me what equip!

 

3. Cold as ice - any digital piano and an analog synth (moog ??)

 

4. something from the Doors, too hard to choose, maybe 'touch me' so I can use both organ as well as strings

 

5. Life on mars or Aladdin Sane - Bowie - also on a grand

 

6. Have to have deep purple - highway star - nice big fat organ!

 

I'll have to think more about the rest!

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It's a bit strange to me that we all long for the old equipment, old music, old everything. Were we more creative then or are we less creative now?

 

I'm in my late 40's, and I've noticed something strange - when I go to a place with live music, I hear mostly 70's music... even from bands and musicians that weren't around in the 70's. The bars are full of young people the same age as my kids but the music is from MY youth, not theirs. This is especially true with 20-something solo singer-guitarists that play Eagles, Buffett, CSN, James Taylor, Van Morrison etc. It's a little pathetic that there are so few modern songwriting equals to The Eagles or Bruce Sprngsteen.

 

Seems like music equipment is caught in a similar time warp - analog is in, old B3's are boss, same with old guitars and amps. What's cool is what's old.

 

What happened? :confused:

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The recording labels got tired of dealing with real talent. They can make much more money by promoting marginally talented but pretty artists and not have to argue about earnings percentages and intellectual property rights.

 

There are a lot of mega-talents out there that the record companies won't even talk to.

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We were more creative then. A relatively new music - electrically amplified music - was coming into its own. Rocl&roll had been played, and it was time to see what else could be done on those instruments.

 

This coincided with amazing technological leaps which begged for an entirely new music. Both those factors influenced established genres, which then created a positive feedback loop into the 'new' music and the new technology.... in addition (and perhaps most importantly), there were audiences who were willing to receive it - all of it.

 

Don't lament that those days are past, Pro. Celebrate that such a confluence was possible, and that happened in our lifetime and with our participation! But yeah, your "what happened?" question indicates that it will likely never happen on that scale again.

 

Lucky me... tomorrow night I get to rehearse with my band which can and does play all the great stuff we remember as well as cool originals, and we get to do it on a Hammond & Rhodes and synths & Marshalls etc. So my dream is fulfilled :) If I could bring back Thelonius & Miles, and sit in with them at the Blue Note, that would be another dream fulfilled - though there's no way I could hope to play at that level.

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Originally posted by Jon Doe:

The recording labels got tired of dealing with real talent.

Ain't that the truth! You know, my old prog band in the 70's came so close to making it. The biggest problem was that they sounded too much like Kansas, Yes, Styx, and Boston. Greg Allman, Todd Rundgren and Bon Jovi all thought they were the next big thing and tried to help them get going. Boston even recorded one of our guitarist's songs.

 

After I left, they even got to the front office of Atlantic. Same complaint--you guys are phenomenal, but you sound like Kansas, Yes, Styx...

 

The president of Atlantic said the lead singer had gained too much weight and would have to go. He wasn't fat, mind you, just not 80' glitterband material. They fired him and lost the chemistry. They never got it back until they did their reunion tour recently.

 

Isn't it ironic how, if we were around today, that we would probably get signed BECAUSE we sound like everybody rather? We were 25 years ahead of our time, I guess.

 

But, it proves the point that the industry has destroyed itself. It forces artists to sell themselves out. There was a time when creativity was essential to make it. You had to work at being different, refreshingly new, if you were going to get signed; now it is just the opposite.

 

As great as my old band was, I left them because I didn't feel they were creative enough for my tastes. They were too focused on stardom. Today that would be an asset, not a liability.

 

Kurt Cobain was a rare innovation in the 90's, but one who became cloned hundreds of times, each time diminishing the creativity and the returns a little more than the last one. Alas, we have bought into the lie and have rendered ourselves as little more than lazy, self-absorbed technophiles.

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Originally posted by synthetic:

Originally posted by InTheDark:

1. E street band, almost any cut off BTR, using a full size grand piano

What is BTR?
You were born and raised in New Jersey and don't know this? Shouldn't you be tarred and feathered or something? ;)

 

- Jeff

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Originally posted by InTheDark:

If you could play, on stage, with any band/musicians in the world, who would they be and what would be your dream 10 song setlist - could be multiple genres. What equipment would you use for what songs?

OK.

 

Guitar: Allan Holdsworth

Bass: Dario Deidda (Italian fretless virtuoso)

Drums: Paco Sery

Percussion: Arto Tunboyancian

 

Set list:

 

- Young and Fine (Zawinul - Weather Report)

- Pools (Grolnick - Steps Ahead)

- Giant Steps (Coltrane)

- Tutu (Miles Davis)

- Africa (Toto)

- Trilogy (Emerson)

- Celestial Terrestrial Commuters (McLaughlin)

- Nite Club (Scott Henderson)

- Rite of Spring (Strawinsky) arr. by me

- Nubian Sundance (Zawinul)

 

Encores:

- Blues Variations (Emerson)

- Birdland (Zawinul)

 

As an alternative, a whole set of *my* music wouldn't hurt too! :D

 

Equipment:

 

I think I could pull out the whole mess with a couple of K2600s, one weighted (K2600x), one semiweighted (the 'regular' 76-key model), plus maybe an analog synth like the Voyager.

 

One can dream, no? :)

Now, give me just a couple of months to learn the music and program the stuff, and I'm ready. :D

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Also, if I'm allowed to choose musicians who are no longer with us, or simply older, I'd like to attempt a more jazzy version, on piano...

 

Sax: John Coltrane

Bass: Niels Orsted-Pedersen or Charles Mingus

Drums: Billy Higgins

 

Set list:

 

- Solar

- Moment's Notice

- Here's That Rainy Day

- Giant Steps

- Joy Spring

- Lush Life

- Armando's Rhumba

- Recordame

- Soul Eyes

- Cheryl

 

Of course there's the (very high) risk that I would end up being thrown off the piano bench... :D

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Hmm, I was a kid in the 70s and am clearly one of those who's favorite music was made from the 60s to the 80s. Simply put, the music was better (more varied, interesting and vastly more vibrant) and the instruments have never been surpassed IMHO. Mind you, technology evolved, but nobody came up with a sound more thrilling than a B3, Moog, Obie, Wurly, etc. Not that some recent instruments lack personality (Nord Lead is a good example). Only they do not stick to your ears like the old beasts.

 

Now if this "Industry kills itself" idea is right and the Web is smartly explored as a music-spreading medium, we will soon have an opportunity to find out which one is true: If there really are talented innovative people who are just in need of a chance, then the web will deliver them. Conversely, if the talent we saw between 60 and 80 was a freaky accident which will not happen again, music will become something like painting or sculpture, where the talents of long ago are revered forever...

"I'm ready to sing to the world. If you back me up". (Lennon to his bandmates, in an inspired definition of what it's all about).
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I would absolutely love to fill Kevin Moore's shoes in OSI

 

Otherwise, I would love to play in an outfit like Pink Floyd, Genesis, Marillion, Ayreon, or the Flower Kings.

 

A sampling of 10 songs I would like to play live

 

1. Shine on you Crazy Diamond (Pink Floyd)

2. Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd)

3. Highway Star (Deep Purple)

4. Firth of Fifth (Genesis)

5. Trilogy (ELP)

6. Fatal Tragedy (Dream Theater)

7. He Knows You Know (Marillion)

8. Freedom of Speech (Liquid Tension Experiment)

9. Shock the Monkey (Peter Gabriel)

10. Double Vision (Arena)

 

Since I get to dream, I would play with a Minimoog, a Hammond B3 (real one), and a Kurzweil K2600XS (fully loaded). Behind the scenes I would probably add on a a Triton rack.

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:):):)

 

Originally posted by tarkus:

Any incarnation of King Crimson.

My band's doing lots of KC, including:

Sleepless

Frame By Frame

Matte Kudasai

Elephant Talk

Red

21st Century Schizoid Man

One Time

Dinosaur

Indiscipline

 

We're staying away from some of the more extreme stuff :D

I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist.

 

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