Arafat to Bin Laden:Start your own band

[Alndln]

In a manner of speaking anyway. [quote]From the Accociated Press[b]"Why is bin Laden talking about Palestine now?" the Palestinian president was quoted as saying in an interview with Britain's Sunday Times. "He never helped us. He was working in another, completely different area and against our interests." [/b][/quote]Why this isn't headline news is beyond me,as it shoots down most of Bin Ladens.....err......excuses, if you will.It also shows that Muslim extremists are far from united, contrary to what Bin Laden would have you believe.Very interesting.

[Alndln]

Oh sorry,here's a link [url=http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/abs_news_body.asp?section=World&OID=11199]www.abs-cbnnews.com/abs_news_body.asp?section=World&OID=11199[/url]

[Alndln]

Hmmm.......Hmmmm......,No replies? I guess our pants are around our ankles again.

[Jotown]

[quote]Originally posted by AlndLonChaney: [b]In a manner of speaking anyway. [quote]From the Accociated Press[b]"Why is bin Laden talking about Palestine now?" the Palestinian president was quoted as saying in an interview with Britain's Sunday Times. "He never helped us. He was working in another, completely different area and against our interests." [/b][/quote]Why this isn't headline news is beyond me,as it shoots down most of Bin Ladens.....err......excuses, if you will.It also shows that Muslim extremists are far from united, contrary to what Bin Laden would have you believe.Very interesting.[/b][/quote]The major media is onboard for a war against Iraq. It helps the war agenda to paint all Muslim terrorist's with a broad brush. It's less confusing that way. I saw the story on PBS on Lehrer's show. I figured I wouldn't see it on the networks.

[Audioboticatoccata]

Oh puhleeeeezzzzzz! The fix is in, Bush and his oil buddies want to rule the good old USA and control allllll the worlds oil. Get it? Osama, the Libyans, , the Iraqis, THE DRUG WAR, alllll just excuses for actions that forward this AGENDA... GET IT??? Never mind, go watch another rerun of Heehaw. Your brain will hurt less... more? whatever!

[Jotown]

Audioboticatoccata, who is you puhleeeezzzzz directed to?

[Alndln]

Whats extremely important here is that all of Bin Ladens messages to America,he proffesses allegiance with Palistine and a united Muslim allegiance against the United states which has gone uncontested.Now Arafat is saying that is completely untrue officially and is telling Bin Laden in so many words to shut up and get lost.I don't want to get into a debate concerning Israel/Palistine as this is not the point here.The point is that a Major Muslim leader is claiming there is no unity amongst Muslim extremists.This should give Bush even more ammo and incentive to concern himself with Bin Laden and Muslim extremist who are a threat to this country first and foremost,unless he has other priorities.FINISH THIS JOB FIRST GEORGE,the door is wide open now.

[Jotown]

[quote]FINISH THIS JOB FIRST GEORGE![/quote]That would be a good place to start.

[Audioboticatoccata]

[quote]Originally posted by O' Little Jotown Of Bethlehem: [b]Audioboticatoccata, who is you puhleeeezzzzz directed to?[/b][/quote]The general viewing public watching the big three, CNN, etc. The brainwashing of our ability to judge what is going on in the middle east is in full swing. Drowning us in a sea of "Osama did this" "Hussein did that" etc... Don't trust me, or your TV... that's all I can ask...

[ECBRules]

I just heard a public service message on news radio by the Israel coalation of something or other with a bunch of anti saudi arabia sentiments. They said all this negative crap about saudi arabia. It was a very strange PSA indeed. I don't really believe everything I hear on the news. Check out the associated press and you'll see a much more level impression of the news.

[Audioboticatoccata]

[quote]unless he (Bush) has other priorities.[/quote]Well DUH! Controlling the largest oil supply left in the world isn't enough? GreenPower Now! (not the Party, the ecological concept) Hydrogen, renewable, non-polluting. Known tech. Why is it not common tech by now??? In a world where new cell phones hit the market multiple times per year!!!!

[Alndln]

[quote]Originally posted by AlndLonChaney: [b]unless he has other priorities.[/b][/quote]Actually I should have said conflicting buisness interests.

[Rog]

I think they buried this to stop the masses thinking of all Muslims, not as a bunch of towelheads that need bombing into next week, but as people, just like us. If word gets out that Arafat and Bin Laden are not singing from the same hymn sheet, people may also ask difficult questions about Saddam's relationship (or lack thereof) with Bin Laden too. This would obviously undermine Bu$h's efforts to bomb the fuck out of Iraq and make it the new Texas.

[SFOracle]

(Can't remember where I saw this, but sing it to the tune of "If you're happy and you know it ...") If you can't find Osama bomb Iraq, If the markets hurt your momma bomb Iraq. If the terrorists are Saudi and the bank took back you Audi and the TV shows are Bowdy bomb Iraq.

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b]I think they buried this to stop the masses thinking of all Muslims, not as a bunch of towelheads that need bombing into next week, but as people, just like us. If word gets out that Arafat and Bin Laden are not singing from the same hymn sheet, people may also ask difficult questions about Saddam's relationship (or lack thereof) with Bin Laden too. This would obviously undermine Bu$h's efforts to bomb the fuck out of Iraq and make it the new Texas.[/b][/quote]Jeez, man. That's exactly what Bush and CNN want...us thinking that Muslims are all bad. And it's funny how everyone thinks the jihad is something against America. Some people know the half of it, that it's a holy war. But everyone thinks it's an offensive. It's not. The jihad is a defensive, sometimes armed, but nonetheless a defensive. So basically, what OBL and all those other folks are doing is not jihad. They are going on the offensive. And they say 9/11 was part of the jihad...ha! Aren't they wrong. Rog, it's weird how we can disagree on one thing (though I forget what over), but totally agree on another. It's great. Let's keep talking about war, and we'll be cool.

[BNC]

[quote]GreenPower Now! (not the Party, the ecological concept) Hydrogen, renewable, non-polluting. Known tech. Why is it not common tech by now??? In a world where new cell phones hit the market multiple times per year!!!! [/quote]The tech is not common because it has not been refined (ha) to the point where it can be an abundant, safe, and affordable solution. Hydrogen- If you have a tank of H2 (2 in subscript) on your car, and you get hit, think about the consequences (hindenburg). Also, it would require an entire change to the infrastructure for distributing fuel, very expensive and time consuming. Renewable- What exactly are we renewing here? Non-polluting- Fuel cells and electric cars not polluting is plain BS. They vehicle itself does not pollute directly. Electric cars need alot of juice to go anywhere. How do we make than much electricity? Fossil fuel powered generators. The problem is that some much electricity would have to be produced that the cut in pollution in the vehicle is totally offset by the increase from electricity production. Fuel cells pollute also. They contain large numbers of batteries that will eventually be worn out and discarded (bateries, especially of that size and number, pollute terribly). The problem with any new technology is that it can not, and will not be rushed. If GM, for instance, suddenly changes their entire line to fuel cells, and the products are defective because the technology is not ready, GM is dead. They made an electric car about a decade ago, don't see many of them arond since it was tiny, slow, expensive, and could only run for about a hour before needing and all day charge. The risk in putting out new technology before it is ready is too risky. There is a temporary improvement that would be easy to put into effect. DIESEL. Diesel engines are roughly twice as efficient and last twice as long, and also provide much more torque. This is exactly why they have been the engine of choice in nearly every industrial application for decades. In Europe, over 50% of cars a diesel, while light trucks (suvs) are around 90% diesel. As for pollution from diesels, the noisy smoke spewers are are long gone (some are still driven, but not made anymore). Go check out the newest diesel trucks from the big 3. No smoke, easy to start, not loud, PLENTY of go. In Europe, they have higher quality diesel fuel with less sulfer, that makes diesel just as eco friendly as the any of the cars out there. They are currenty arranging for this clean diesel to be available in the US. Also, ,any manufactures have extensive diesel lines in their world markets, they are just beginning to bring some of these vehicle here. Jeep is bringing the diesel Liberty here. The big 3 are developing smaller versions of their big diesels to go into suvs and 1/2ton trucks. Toyota has been making excelent diesel for decades, and will shortly be selling them here. Same for SAAB (famous for semis), Volvo (them too), and Mercedes/Diemler Chrysler (largest truck manufacturer in the world). In fact, you can get a Mercedes S class sedan with a 4 liter twin turbo v8 diesel (approx 300hp) in Europe. Volkswagen is another huge diesel maker, with plans to sell a v10 tt diesel in their new Taureg suv. Landrover too... Bush and other officials are not purposely snubbing better cars. It is just that technology takes time. The fact that it sounds like there are all these magic cars just waiting to be driven is just the media spinning up some more crap to raise hairs. Do you think Katie Kurrack, and all the other muckrackers out there, knows anything about automobile/engine technology?

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote] BNC said: [b]The tech is not common because it has not been refined (ha) to the point where it can be an abundant, safe, and affordable solution.[/b] [/quote]Well, that's partly true. They are really working on it, especially now. [quote] Renewable- What exactly are we renewing here? [/quote]Water. You take water, and somehow extract the oxygen from it. You are left with H2. The oxygen combines and becomes the oxygen (O2) that you and I breathe (at least I do). Water is the most abundant resource on this planet. Even more is melting into the oceans. If we use up the water in the oceans at the same ratio that is melting, screw global warming. We won't have a problem. And there will be more oxygen to breathe. Of course, this is completely unscientific (my post), so don't take me completely seriously. I'm not a chem major.

[jackpine]

just as an "aside" We give the Israelies [b]17 million[/b] dollars a day. [b]They[/b] have free health care and all education, from Kindergarten through Phd., is free. So we can keep a foothold in the region. I have 2 kids in collage.... any one wanna pay for that?

[BNC]

Also keep in mind that when you graduate in Israel, you go into the army, no choice. Kind of how they pay the country back for the free edu. Thats also why Israel has the second best army in the world (behind U.S.).

[BNC]

The Patric of Christmas... Ok, water is the resource being renewed. The problem with that is still that 1. The process is not easy, most experimental systems separate the elements first, then have a tank of liquified H2 on board. 2. Having to separate it before pumping it to your car means that there will have to be massive plants that preform the process to produce enough H2 to power cars. Having an onboard (compact) separation system would be great, all you have to do is hook your car to a hose, and there would be no H2 stored on board. But, this then leads to who controls all the water. Do you just get out the garden hose or leave it to stations? You would need stations if your going on a trip. If these stations are run like normal fuel stations, that raises a huge problem with water regulation, that problem is better left unexplored. And again, when dealing with H2 there is no margin for error. Thats why it takes forever to put new tech to work, they MUST perfect it. As for technology as a whole, most things are old, even when they come out. This applies most heavily to vehilces. The newest plain, car, what have you is actually old tech by the time it comes out. The new F22 Raptor is the most advanced fighter anybody has, but its technology is at least a decade old. You would be blown away if you new the absolute latest things that are just being though of, mind blowing.

[Soundscape Studios.]

[quote]Originally posted by jackpine: [b]just as an "aside" We give the Israelies [b]17 million[/b] dollars a day. I have 2 kids in collage.... any one wanna pay for that?[/b][/quote]LOL! If only you would have gone to college, you would have learned to spell,too. I think people misunderstand America's relationship with Israel. Yes, the US provides billions in aid, but then again, the second largest portion of aid goes to....Egypt! Yep, the birthplace of Mohammed Atta, and not close to being an ally. Israel on the other hand, personifies what a comraderie between countries should be. Having lived in Israel for a year and a half, I can tell you with absolute certainty that there is a tremendous feeling of patriotism - in an American way - among the general populace. Israeli's consider themselves to be quasi-Americans on account of the the values they share. Human rights, freedom of the press, the list goes on - Israel is just a damn fine country by anyone's standards. And don't go complaining about the way they treat the Palestinians - is there any way to diplomatically deal with people who are fanatical suicide bombers? I will get flak for saying this, but most Palestinians are in the same boat as Mohammed Atta - as long as you are not Islam, you must die! Can you possibly reason with that??

[Soundscape Studios.]

Hey, that's funny - now that I realize it, we had quite an argument about this a while back jackpine, remember?? I guess it's an ardent supporter of Israel against someone who ain't so fond of Israel (or jews??)