Krakit Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 I really need some new gear and I'm thinking that selling my 73 stage piano will get me enough money to do that. I hardly ever use the Rhodes and it is way too heavy to take to shows. Am I nuts? Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 If I had any room in my house for a Rhodes I'd tell you "nope, not crazy at all" and then I'd make an offer. But I have no room. Therefore, you are crazy. \ (PS - lemme know if you do decide to sell it and I'll see if I can find someone to give it a home!) I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackpine Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 I'm in the same quandry about my B3. I haven't used it in ages. And , I know it would fund, say, a Triton or a Motif. So... are we nuts or what??? www.relayerstudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovepusher Sly Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 You're not really crazy. If you do sell it, there will be days you wished you hadn't, but if you don't use it, don't have the space, can get a good price for it; why not? I sold my Rhodes 73 Stage, (actually traded it for a new Alpha Juno 1 in 1987) I kicked myself sometimes when I would hear an authentic Rhodes on a track, and if i had held onto it longer, I could've gotten more for it. But at the time I got what it was worth, and I never REALLY missed it, (all I had to do was think about carrying it). Most keyboards do a decent job of emulating a Rhodes, and check out Lounge Lizard if you're moving to a computer setup. Hope that helps. Sly P.S. 3 or 4 years ago a friend told me someone he had given an 88 Stage to was going to leave it in his apartment (he was moving, and his wife wouldn't let him take it) he asked me if I wanted it. It's HUGE, but after a cleanup and some tuning/adjusting I think I'll park it in my new studio. Whasineva ehaiz, ehissgot ta be Funky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 you're crazy...it's not too heavy to take to shows, that's what dollies are for http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: you're crazy...it's not too heavy to take to shows, that's what dollies are for Well, by itself maybe. However, I carry at least two other keyboards at all times (more typcially four and less typically 5). To throw the Rhodes in on top of that is just too much. In fact, I'm thinking of selling the Rhodes so that I can upgrade from a Roland JX-8P to a Roland MKS-70. That way I have even one less keyboard to carry. Hopefully I'll be able to sell both the Rhodes and my JX-8P to finance the MKS-70 and a PG-800. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Rhythm Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 I can't bring myself to sell mine. It just sits in the corner and waits for the day.... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 It's easier to come up with, say $600 than it is to find another good playing Rhodes. I've got a 73 dyno my and a Wurli 200 and will keep them forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmieWannaB Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Originally posted by Linwood I've got a 73 dyno my and a Wurli 200 and will keep them forever. But why would anyone in their right mind let go of a B3? By the way, have I thanked you recently for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksoper Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 I sold my Stage 73 in 1983. I didn't regret the sale then and I don't now. It was heavy, the unusually heavy action made it a beast to play (and we didn't have the luxury of forums like this to discuss tweaking), and I could never get it to sound as good as ones I heard on records. Now I'm using the Scarbee rhodes sample for Gigastudio. It's perfect and a damn-sight lighter. k. 9 Moog things, 3 Roland things, 2 Hammond things and a computer with stuff on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 man what a sad story http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted April 13, 2004 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 I must admit I'm still leaning toward selling the Rhodes. I'm not looking forward to cleaning and tuning it up for sale. However, I really want to get that MKS-70 and PG-800. Both items will get 500% more use than my Rhodes currently does. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaGe Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 It's beyond me how anyone could have a Rhodes laying around and not play it. I am always scouring local ads trying to find one, no luck so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovepusher Sly Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: you're crazy...it's not too heavy to take to shows, that's what dollies are for It's still a bit of lifting, even with the dolly. I've been using a Roland D-70 since '88, Rhodes, grand, strings, brass, organ, etc. At the end of the gig carrying the board is like carrying a guitar. Easy load out. Originally posted by Krakit: I carry at least two other keyboards at all times (more typcially four and less typically 5). What boards are you using, and why so many? In fact, I'm thinking of selling the Rhodes so that I can upgrade from a Roland JX-8P to a Roland MKS-70. That way I have even one less keyboard to carry. Maybe that was an upgrade in 1986, I don't think it's one today. Hopefully I'll be able to sell both the Rhodes and my JX-8P to finance the MKS-70 and a PG-800. Whoa, let me check the date on this thread. Yeah, you started it in 2004. Unless you're just into vintage keyboards, and depending on what else you're using, it may be time to revamp your setup. Especially if you're talking about financing. I don't know if I could bring myself to pay interest on 20yr. old technology. Have you taken a GOOD look at the big three; Yamaha Motif, Korg Triton, and Roland Fantom? Maybe you can cut the size of your whole rig down.Sly Whasineva ehaiz, ehissgot ta be Funky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 It's all about the sound...I don't know how you guys can stand playing Rhodes samples instead of the real thing all the time...it used to drive me crazy. Every once in a while is one thing but all the time is another. Don't you ever feel like your sound is less than great/cool/unique? Don't you ever miss the feel of a truly expressive keyboard? even if it might make you work a bit harder? nevermind...I know everyone has different wants and needs....and different priorities Personally I love playing my Rhodes...almost as much as having sex http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 I considered picking up a Rhodes Stage Piano a few months back. I couldn't really justify buying it except for the collectibilty/coolness factor, which my wife and I didn't really see eye to eye on, funny. In any case, pretty much glad I didn't go for it. Perfectly happy playing samples off my S80. Sorry Steve. What we record in life, echoes in eternity. MOXF8, Electro 6D, XK1c, Motif XSr, PEKPER, Voyager, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovepusher Sly Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 I never did like the mushy feel of a Rhodes keyboard. Grew up playing acoustic piano. I played a real Rhodes, I think, long enough that I can just about make the D-70 sound like I want it to. It does make me feel good to have the 88 though, even if I'm not playin' it. Tell ya one thing, I'll NEVER get rid of my Clavinet, that's a sound I haven't heard copied yet. Especially not with a Wah on it. Steve, have you checked out the Lounge Lizard? Sly Whasineva ehaiz, ehissgot ta be Funky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Your music interests and needs may take a direction someday where you'll want that Rhodes. I tried to sell my Stage 88 with Satellites about 20 years ago when I thought I'd never want to play it again. I'm glad it didn't sell. Let's face it, Harold isn't building any more of them. There is one way to possibly keep your Rhodes and get some cash from it. Is there a market in your area for renting it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Steve, have you checked out the Lounge Lizard?yeah, it's good...I want to have my own sound man ...regardless it's the levels of interface you have with a Rhodes that really appeals to me...between the action (velocity) of the Rhodes and the characteristics of my amp/leslie combo I'm in heaven. There's a natural latency in the sluggish action of my Rhodes that frustrates me but it also creates new vibes. Overall it's the vibe (for lack of a better word) that I get from playing it that will always make it worth the effort of lugging a heavy instrument to a club. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksoper Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Originally posted by Stephen LeBlanc: It's all about the sound...I don't know how you guys can stand playing Rhodes samples instead of the real thing all the time...it used to drive me crazy. Every once in a while is one thing but all the time is another. Don't you ever feel like your sound is less than great/cool/unique? Don't you ever miss the feel of a truly expressive keyboard? even if it might make you work a bit harder? Really, man...I hated my Rhodes. It was a pig. More recently, though, a friend got a Suitcase 88. I tuned it a littled, voiced it a little, and was astounded at how much nicer the action was compared to my pig. The instrument still needs a lot of work before it gets recorded, but it already has a sparkle mine never had. But I'm not gonna run out and try to find one. Too busy looking for a Leslie. k. 9 Moog things, 3 Roland things, 2 Hammond things and a computer with stuff on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 I just sold a lot of stuff. If you don't use something or if you're not happy with it, sell it. As far as a Rhodes goes, I would opt for a keyboard that had a decent Rhodes sample. As I've gotten older, I prefer to keep things simple (and light if possible) and sell, give away or throw away things I no longer use. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Problem is, these days a real rhodes or a real B3is an extra. I can't imagine toting them around. I'm not that much a purist. There is nothing like the real sound, though. That is true. A couple of years ago I did a complete gear re-do focusing on easy portability, light weight, and easy hook-up. Best thing I ever did. The down side to selling your rhodes is you will probably always look back fondly on it. When whatever you bought in its place is passe, the Rhodes will still be a current piece of retro gear. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Originally posted by Groovepusher Sly: I never did like the mushy feel of a Rhodes keyboard. Grew up playing acoustic piano. I played a real Rhodes, I think, long enough that I can just about make the D-70 sound like I want it to. It does make me feel good to have the 88 though, even if I'm not playin' it. Tell ya one thing, I'll NEVER get rid of my Clavinet, that's a sound I haven't heard copied yet. Especially not with a Wah on it. Steve, have you checked out the Lounge Lizard? Sly Oh, come on. You can't compare a Rhodes to a D70. To each its own. Every Rhodes feels different from one another. Soma suck, others are fantastic (most of 'em suck, actually). Krakit, if it's in good shape, you're gonna regret it for the rest of your life if you sell it. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted April 13, 2004 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 I'm not convinced. I just don't think I'm going to use it enough to justify keeping it. Let's face it. A Rhodes is extremely good at being a Rhodes. I like more versatility than that. My only real struggle with parting with it is that Harold himself sent me tines and instructions for maintaining this instrument. It is my only link to Harold Rhodes, whom I never met in person, but spent a lot of time on the telephone talking to. I think that is why I have kept it around so long. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Originally posted by Krakit: I'm not convinced. I just don't think I'm going to use it enough to justify keeping it. Let's face it. A Rhodes is extremely good at being a Rhodes. I like more versatility than that. My only real struggle with parting with it is that Harold himself sent me tines and instructions for maintaining this instrument. It is my only link to Harold Rhodes, whom I never met in person, but spent a lot of time on the telephone talking to. I think that is why I have kept it around so long. CarlYour case for selling was going strong until you threw in this last data point. Talk about crazy, I've got four Rhodes sitting in the garage--two Mark Vs, a stage 88 and stage 73 all in very good/excellent physical condition. I've got to get them over to my technician. I would like to end up with just the two Mark Vs, possibly one retro fitted with pre-1975 big times and the other one stock. The Vs are much lighter (about 100 lbs) and easy for one person to manuver. In addition to the other enhancements, the sustain/damper system is much improved. Mediocre Rhodes are still readily available. If the one you have doesn't knock your socks off, I'd say sell it. On the other hand, if it has great tone and action, by all means keep it. I do agree with Steve in that playing the real thing whenever possible is important. We're selling ourselves short by relying on ROMplers and the like for everything. In the olden days, the Rhodes, Clav, B3, Mini, and acoustic piano all had unique actions that forced us to develop different playing styles and techniques. Would the numerous B3 techniques have evolved if it had been tied to a single 88-note weighted keyboard? No way. Would we have all the great funky clav lines if the instrument didn't have the keyboard action that it had? Doubtful. Now we have ROMplers with 1001 sounds, but the keyboard reacts the same to each and every sound. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Originally posted by Krakit: A Rhodes is extremely good at being a Rhodes. Yup. And the Nord Electro, Lounge Lizard, EVP88, Motif/S80/P120, Scarbee Rhodes and others still don't even come close to a great Rhodes. Feel, sound, velocity switching... It really is like all the Hammond clones, really, but a real Hammond doesn't fit in here and I had my Rhodes already. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaGe Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 To me it's all about the vibrations that propagate thru the keys when you hit growling a bass note. That's priceless. And yeah, the feeling of playing something authentic (read not digital). Call me crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 What a GREAT topic! I sold my Rhodes. It was a good RHODES with great action and a fine sound. I bought it around 1976. I sold it and bought a DX7. The DX7 was lighter - even in an ANVIL case. Besides, I didn't have room to keep it in my house. Also, I figured that someone should be playing it and enjoying it as much as I did. But I miss it. I've often thought of having a house at the beach or on a lake. That would be a great place to setup my RHODES (except for humidity concerns near the water, of course.) Krakit, if I were you I would try NOT to let it go. Especially since Harold Rhodes himself sent you some tines for it. Keep it in a secure storage spot with controlled humidity and temperature. Bring it out when you've got room for it or to give to your grandchildren. You'll miss it if you sell it. It's worth a lot more than you'll ever get if you sell it. Oh... and Donald Fagen still plays one on stage - that's reason enough to keep it! I wouldn't sell it. Is There Gas In The Car? "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovepusher Sly Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by Superbobus: Oh, come on. You can't compare a Rhodes to a D70. Not comparing them. The mechanism by which the Rhodes produces sound (the tine) is, IMO, one of simplest analog (natrual) oscillators there is. What I said is, that after playing Rhodes for quite awhile, I KNOW how to make that sound. To each its own. Every Rhodes feels different from one another. Soma suck, others are fantastic (most of 'em suck, actually). Yep. That's the whole point. Krakit, if it's in good shape, you're gonna regret it for the rest of your life if you sell it. Take it from someone who got rid of theirs, you won't miss it enough to regret selling it.Sly Whasineva ehaiz, ehissgot ta be Funky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Originally posted by Krakit: It is my only link to Harold Rhodes, whom I never met in person, but spent a lot of time on the telephone talking to. I think that is why I have kept it around so long. CarlHarold Rhodes uses Lounge Lizard. What we record in life, echoes in eternity. MOXF8, Electro 6D, XK1c, Motif XSr, PEKPER, Voyager, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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